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Post by Sajoa Moe on Dec 31, 2008 14:26:10 GMT -5
I like DeRosa's power numbers, but the fact that we have yet another middle infielder that can't steal bases bugs me. And it looks like Peralta will be moving to third base.
As for the prospects, Jeff Stevens is the only one I've heard of.
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Post by KStrick on Dec 31, 2008 14:56:23 GMT -5
My turn....
Cleveland received a great every day utility player, who can play any of the three "question mark positions", and will be a great influence on the OTHER utility guy we picked up in the Mets/Indians/other team deal (Luis Valbuena).
The Indians can now talk about moving either Peralta or DeRosa to third. They could also platoon him with Barfield (he needs to earn his stripes, and this deal doesn't look too good for his future in Cleveland... such a shame... he had such potential in San Diego), they can move Asdrubal Cabrera to Short (his every day position)... they have a whole SLEW of potential now, and give Valbuena plenty of opportunity to get some swings in, play a little defense, and grow as a good player for the team.
All this in return for Jeff Stevens, John Gaub, and Chris Archer.
Stevens is on the cusp of being a major league ready pitcher, so he'll PROBABLY have the most immediate impact, as far as name recognition in return goes. He has potential to be average, MAYBE decent, but the hitter friendly Wrigley's Field sure won't help his 4 seam (I believe it topped out at mid-to-low 80's). He doesn't have much movement-based pitches. He'll probably be average at best for the Cubs.
The best player that they received was certainly Chris Archer. He comes off, from my understanding, a very unspectacular season last year at Lake County. He's only 19, so he has room to grow and evolve, but he really needs to learn control. He is the kinda guy that pisses off stats fans, as he'll throw for a high accuracy and average one game, then trash the next. When he comes up (maybe 2010), he'll probably have a 4.00 to 5.00 ERA out the shoot.
The other guy is John Gaub. He's 23, old for where he SHOULD be, so I doubt he'll leave much, if any, impact on the Cubs. Chances are he'll just be a AA to AAA tops.
DeRosa, unfortunately, is only a 1 year rental. Chances are, he'll either have a really good season and walk somewhere else, or have a terrible season, and Cleveland will let him go... I don't see him donning the Wahoo much longer than one season. Stranger things have happened, though.
So, Cleveland now has a Middle/Hot Corner position team of:
Asdrubal Cabrera (2B,SS, CAN play 3rd.) Terrible at seasons beginnings, but a BEAST at the close
Johnny Peralta (SS, possible move to 3B, his normal position). Great power numbers, but his value will dwindle with the move to third. He won't be a big fish in a small pond of power hitting SS's when you have to contend with A-Rod, Atkins, Beltre, Josh Fields, Guillen, Cabrera, etc.
Josh Barfield. (2nd, SS, 3rd). Platoon at best. He stars off ok, but fizzles off at the end, hence why you see Barfield usually take the majority of the starts at the beginning, then Asdrubal take the majority at the end.
Mark DeRosa (everything. Hell, he can do all that AND sell peanuts in between innings)
Jamey Carrol. (2nd, SS, 3rd). He's the short end of the platoon. He CAN be reliable, but I don't put too much faith in him.
Luis Valbuena (2nd, 3rd, possible SS). Had a very strong showing (.245 BA) when he was called up by that one team he came from (they suck, so they don't deserve to have their names mentioned), so he certainly HAS Major League potential. The question mark is... is he ready?
Andy Marte. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I just made myself laugh!... andy marte... what a joke...
And with all this, moving LaPorta to 1st... Cleveland is pretty set on the infield, and I feel very confident on the outfield (I have mancrushes on both Sizemore and BenFrank's potential stats), Shin Soo Choo is a very capable outfielder who can hit for a decent average (and sometimes decent power runs). Platoon Dellucci in there hey... he MAY be due for SOMETHING...), and Trevor Crowe has been waiting for a while... he has to be somewhat worth it, or Shappiro would have traded him away, too.
All in all, I like the deal.
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Post by ani on Dec 31, 2008 14:58:01 GMT -5
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Dec 31, 2008 14:58:32 GMT -5
I like DeRosa's power numbers, but the fact that we have yet another middle infielder that can't steal bases bugs me. And it looks like Peralta will be moving to third base. As for the prospects, Jeff Stevens is the only one I've heard of. Who would be the everyday SS if Peralta moved to third?
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Dec 31, 2008 15:02:48 GMT -5
I like DeRosa's power numbers, but the fact that we have yet another middle infielder that can't steal bases bugs me. And it looks like Peralta will be moving to third base. As for the prospects, Jeff Stevens is the only one I've heard of. Who would be the everyday SS if Peralta moved to third? Asdrubal Cabrera is a natural shortstop, so he would play there every day. But according to Ani, Peralta won't be moving. Shame.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Dec 31, 2008 15:08:52 GMT -5
It would seem to make more sense having Cabrera at 2nd, Peralta at SS, and have DeRosa start the majority of games at 3rd. The plus being, DeRosa can play any other spot on days that someone else needs a break.
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Post by KStrick on Dec 31, 2008 16:05:35 GMT -5
Peralta's defense is HORRIBLE, though. Get him away from SS, put someone who can, I don't know.. .STOP THE BALL at short.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 1, 2009 13:32:40 GMT -5
According to the Denver Post, the Giants "are quietly making an aggressive play for Manny Ramirez."
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 1, 2009 13:32:57 GMT -5
The Angels' $9 million team option on Brian Fuentes for 2011 vests if he totals at least 55 games finished in 2010.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 1, 2009 13:33:08 GMT -5
According to MLB.com, the Rangers have reached a tentative agreement with Derrick Turnbow on a minor league contract.
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Post by Tyfo on Jan 1, 2009 14:13:45 GMT -5
According to MLB.com, the Rangers have reached a tentative agreement with Derrick Turnbow on a minor league contract. Holy shit! Someone pried the padlock off of Tom Hicks' wallet!!! They weren't able to get much out, but it's something.
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Post by H-Fist on Jan 1, 2009 14:59:36 GMT -5
I like DeRosa's power NUMBER, but the fact that we have yet another middle infielder that can't steal bases bugs me. And it looks like Peralta will be moving to third base. As for the prospects, Jeff Stevens is the only one I've heard of. Fixed. DeRosa has been a fulltime starter in his 11-year career only for the past three seasons (age 31-33). His home run numbers in each of those seasons: 13, 10, and 21. To expect him to reproduce his 2008 numbers for Cleveland is a bit of a stretch, even moving to the American League. Depending on where he bats (he is most successful in the 6th spot, but can be serviceable batting 2nd or 5th), he might produce something similar to his 2-year Cubs averages: .289 / 15 / 80. Don't get me wrong, he is a good player. But guys who peak this late in their careers generally don't last all that long at high production. He will be a valuable addition to the Cleveland American League Ballclub. But don't expect him to go for .285 / 25 / 100 with the AL-style game to bump him up. Expect a dependable, solid player. Not the guy who is coming off a career year. KStrick, few if any of these guys are going to remain in the Chicago system for long. This trade + Marquis-for-Vizcaino is likely to make the Peavy Deal possible. They signed Aaron Miles to play 2nd as opposed to pursuing BAL's Roberts, which tells me that money is tight, and what they have is headed to pitching. Good to get some info on the trio, but send that to the PetCo Preachers. And this coming from a guy who has not been all that interested in Peavy since the talks began.
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Jan 1, 2009 15:04:44 GMT -5
I like DeRosa's power number s, but the fact that we have yet another middle infielder that can't steal bases bugs me. And it looks like Peralta will be moving to third base. As for the prospects, Jeff Stevens is the only one I've heard of. Fixed. DeRosa has been a fulltime starter in his 11-year career only for the past three seasons (age 31-33). His home run numbers in each of those seasons: 13, 10, and 21. To expect him to reproduce his 2008 numbers for Cleveland is a bit of a stretch, even moving to the American League. Depending on where he bats (he is most successful in the 6th spot, but can be serviceable batting 2nd or 5th), he might produce something similar to his 2-year Cubs averages: .289 / 15 / 80. Don't get me wrong, he is a good player. But guys who peak this late in their careers generally don't last all that long at high production. He will be a valuable addition to the Cleveland American League Ballclub. But don't expect him to go for .285 / 25 / 100 with the AL-style game to bump him up. Expect a dependable, solid player. Not the guy who is coming off a career year. Eric Wedge is going to bat him second. This morning Plain Dealer projects the following Opening Day lineup: CF Grady Sizemore 3B Mark DeRosa C Victor Martinez SS Jhonny Peralta DH Travis Hafner 1B Ryan Garko RF Shin-Soo Choo LF Ben Francisco 2B Asdrubal Cabrera Although Hafner could just as easily move down if his shoulder falls off again.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 2, 2009 17:31:28 GMT -5
The Diamondbacks and Tony Clark have reportedly come to terms on a one-year, $800,000 contract.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 2, 2009 17:31:40 GMT -5
According to SI.com, the Dodgers and Andruw Jones have agreed to a restuctured deal that likely will result in the outfielder's departure.
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Post by ani on Jan 2, 2009 17:34:57 GMT -5
According to SI.com, the Dodgers and Andruw Jones have agreed to a restuctured deal that likely will result in the outfielder's departure. Welcome back to LA Manny
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2009 17:39:47 GMT -5
So did anyone watch the MLB Network yesterday? I like how they played the old-timey commercials during the Larsens perfect game.
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Post by H-Fist on Jan 2, 2009 17:46:42 GMT -5
According to SI.com, the Dodgers and Andruw Jones have agreed to a restuctured deal that likely will result in the outfielder's departure. Alright, Andruw, you can keep your $18.2 million...or you can have... WHAT'S IN THE BOX! Jones: You know, Ned, I think I'm gonna go with the box.
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Post by KStrick on Jan 2, 2009 17:46:55 GMT -5
I like DeRosa's power NUMBER, but the fact that we have yet another middle infielder that can't steal bases bugs me. And it looks like Peralta will be moving to third base. As for the prospects, Jeff Stevens is the only one I've heard of. Fixed. DeRosa has been a fulltime starter in his 11-year career only for the past three seasons (age 31-33). His home run numbers in each of those seasons: 13, 10, and 21. To expect him to reproduce his 2008 numbers for Cleveland is a bit of a stretch, even moving to the American League. Depending on where he bats (he is most successful in the 6th spot, but can be serviceable batting 2nd or 5th), he might produce something similar to his 2-year Cubs averages: .289 / 15 / 80. Don't get me wrong, he is a good player. But guys who peak this late in their careers generally don't last all that long at high production. He will be a valuable addition to the Cleveland American League Ballclub. But don't expect him to go for .285 / 25 / 100 with the AL-style game to bump him up. Expect a dependable, solid player. Not the guy who is coming off a career year. KStrick, few if any of these guys are going to remain in the Chicago system for long. This trade + Marquis-for-Vizcaino is likely to make the Peavy Deal possible. They signed Aaron Miles to play 2nd as opposed to pursuing BAL's Roberts, which tells me that money is tight, and what they have is headed to pitching. Good to get some info on the trio, but send that to the PetCo Preachers. And this coming from a guy who has not been all that interested in Peavy since the talks began. From my understanding, this deal had NOTHING to do with Jake Peavy and had EVERYTHING to do with Milton Bradley. It frees up enough money for Chicago to make a DECENT run at him (not giving him the full $8-$10 per season he's demanding, but close enough) source: www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/01/peavy-to-cubs-u.htmlGranted, take that with a grain of salt, but I do agree that the Cubs are going to go for Bradley over Peavy, as the Padres are still expecting the entire Cubs minor league, some deep dish pizza, and their own private island in return for Peavy..
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Post by domrep on Jan 2, 2009 19:13:50 GMT -5
Hot rumor: Brian Roberts to Chicago White Sox in a deal involving Gavin Floyd as the starting point.
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