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Post by kitsunestar on Jan 20, 2009 19:26:17 GMT -5
Why is it that everyone wants the killers to get away with it in the end, anymore, anyway? It doesn't seem to matter what the movie is, everyone wants to root for the murderers. Are they all really that jealous that they're not allowed to kill people, themselves? I will agree, in large part, with what Frank Gotch said. Anymore, when the killer is the ONLY character that exudes ANY sort of charisma, likability (even if it IS sort of an evil, hideous likability) or character trait....it's hard NOT to root for him/her to off the dull, bland, boring, generic twentysomething GAP jeans models he/she is chasing. It gets even worse in the case of killers like Freddy Kreuger or the Joker, who almost ENDEAR themselves to you through great catchphrases and one liners. To me, that's endemic of a larger problem, which is no writer wants to be bothered with making an interesting protagonist anymore. It seems to be the same with wrestling as it is in the movies (and even flash cartoons like Homestar Runner!), that it's always the bad guy who gets to have all the "cool" lines, "cool" actions, and every other sort of show-stealing action that the majority of viewers find the "good" characters to be buzzkillers out to ruin the villain's good time. It's time to find a new angle. (And yes, I KNOW that it's easier to build a fanbase and cash cow out of a marketable villain, especially in the movies, it's just too cliché)
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Post by Nacho STAYS Hyped on Jan 20, 2009 19:49:20 GMT -5
More movies should end with a hot stuntgirl beatdown. Like Frost/Nixon. Or Schindler's List.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jan 20, 2009 20:05:32 GMT -5
I hated the ending. Everything up to the point of when the girls started chasing him was fine.
I just thought it was really cheesy and stupid. They build him up as this epic badass character just to completely change him into a coward. The damn movie turned into a F'ing ROAD RUNNER CARTOON!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 20, 2009 20:34:22 GMT -5
When I first read the title, I thought that you were complaining about the ending of Death Note. That is lunacy.
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Post by King of Fighters on Jan 20, 2009 21:11:33 GMT -5
When I first read the title, I thought that you were complaining about the ending of Death Note. That is lunacy. THe anime ending did suck though. On topic-I thought the ending was just fine and like Death Proof more than Planet Terror. PT couldnn't really hold my interest.
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Post by Just One of the Guys on Jan 20, 2009 21:45:03 GMT -5
To me, although the movie as a whole was boring, the car crash in the middle is worth watching over and over. The way they showed each one meet a horrible, gruesome and believable fate....I mean, we can talk about plot all we like, but horror movies are for the kills.
In the theater I was just wishing at the end that the story was told out of sequence and that he got up from his head injuries in Kentucky and went to kill some bitches in Texas, but the consensus seems to be that Rosario killed him.
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Post by Rorschach on Jan 20, 2009 22:44:42 GMT -5
I will agree, in large part, with what Frank Gotch said. Anymore, when the killer is the ONLY character that exudes ANY sort of charisma, likability (even if it IS sort of an evil, hideous likability) or character trait....it's hard NOT to root for him/her to off the dull, bland, boring, generic twentysomething GAP jeans models he/she is chasing. It gets even worse in the case of killers like Freddy Kreuger or the Joker, who almost ENDEAR themselves to you through great catchphrases and one liners. To me, that's endemic of a larger problem, which is no writer wants to be bothered with making an interesting protagonist anymore. It seems to be the same with wrestling as it is in the movies (and even flash cartoons like Homestar Runner!), that it's always the bad guy who gets to have all the "cool" lines, "cool" actions, and every other sort of show-stealing action that the majority of viewers find the "good" characters to be buzzkillers out to ruin the villain's good time. It's time to find a new angle. (And yes, I KNOW that it's easier to build a fanbase and cash cow out of a marketable villain, especially in the movies, it's just too cliché) I completely agree with you on this point. I think that writers generally find themselves trying SO hard to craft this badass, threatening killer that they flat out ignore the protagonist. This has reached epidemic levels in horror cinema of late. Then again, most of the "disposable teens" (even though most of them are played by twentysomething actors, lol) the producers cast these days are so charisma free in and of themselves, they'd make Dutch from PREDATOR or Ripley from ALIEN uninteresting. Compare this to the action genre, where in films like the Bond series, and the DIE HARD series, you have James Bond and John McClane respectively, facing off against equally three dimensional and equally nuanced villains. You don't see that in horror cinema, where, to quote THE BIG LEBOWSKI's Walter Sobchak, "we're in need of a worthy goddamn adversary" for the villains. When was the last time a marquee villain in a horror show was really challenged? Was it THE DESCENT? I mean, I know it's hard to write a sheer "body count" slasher film, and at the same time, have a strong, likeable victim character, but it's not impossible. FEAST 2 proved that, as did the original FEAST. I wasn't rooting for the mutant monsters in those films, yet I found myself doing just that in the recent MY BLOODY VALENTINE and I damn sure was rooting for Stuntman Mike in DEATH PROOF. Another recent horror movie that pulled off the disgusting villain routine fairly well was the remake of THE HILLS HAVE EYES. I actually was pulling for Aaron Stamford's character to obliterate the hillfolks. As much as THAT film got right, however, it's sequel did absolutely wrong with the inept, too-stupid-to-live National Guardsmen. So, in short, it takes a good (not great, but good) writer, a good director, and likable, decent actors in the role of protagonist to make me personally not want to root for the guy with the chainsaw. In other words, in today's film scene....a minor miracle.
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