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Post by Grendel on May 8, 2009 15:57:48 GMT -5
Just saw with the wife in IMAX and throughly enjoyed it. Although it was slightly spoilt by losers giving the Vulcan Hand gesture at the screen several times. They even stood up and did it. Maybe they were Jewish? Didn't Leonard Nimoy get the idea for the Vulcan hand signal from watching something that his Rabbi did? I was lucky, there weren't any disruptive losers who ruined my movie going experience. I loved the hell out of it.
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Post by Cyno on May 8, 2009 19:48:05 GMT -5
We had a great, lively crowd who reacted and loved it, but also didn't go overboard. Also had stadium seating. And yeah, the Vulcan hand gesture is taken from Judaism. I didn't interpret Enterprise's finale as retconning the entire series out of existence AT ALL. It was only the specific signing of the Federation charter and all that was simulated in the Holodeck, not the entire series. If anything, it solidified just how important the NX-01 and its crew were in the Trek mythos. Hell, Archer even went on to become one of the Federation's first presidents. That interpretation makes alot of sense. I'm just frustrated with Enterprise because it had a relatively short run and was cancelled when it was getting good. I feel ya there. I mean, I'm partially guilty because I abandoned Enterprise during the second season as it was just boring the hell out of me. But I've been watching Season 3 and 4 eps on SciFi lately and they're pretty good Trek. And unlike Next Gen, which also had a really crappy first two seasons, Enterprise didn't have the benefit of being syndicated or the first new Trek in 20+ years. I think people's mouths still had the sour taste of Voyager in them, and the first couple of seasons of Enterprise were pretty similar in terms of writing, sadly, although there were some REALLY good episodes.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on May 8, 2009 20:09:06 GMT -5
Just got back from seeing it....awesome. (spoilers)
I liked how they were able to explain the whole alternate reality aspect of the new continuity.
Though if(when) they make the sequel if they use Klingon's will they use the original version or the TNG version and just ignore the explanation Enterprise came up for it and pretend that the TNG makeup is how they were always supposed to look?
Also did anyone think that future Spock's ship looked a bit to much Star Warsish?
And to anyone who didn't like how the technology looked way more advanced just think of it like this: When Picard went back to stop the Borg the people were exposed to a future threat that makes them work hard to try and prepare for them in turn causing them to step up there game which is why Enterpise had much better looking tech even though it took place before the original show so by the time Kirks generation comes around again they are a lot more advanced. So in other words time travel is complicated.
one last thing was anyone else slightly confused when Beastie boys started playing?
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Post by zarius on May 8, 2009 20:41:49 GMT -5
Best Star Trek movie since First Contact. To be fair, that isn't really saying much. To be fair, it says absolutely everything. FC and this movie were made for the casual audience, just like Star Trek IV (which is as "Star Trek" as you can get, with no violence, no heavy, and a lot of humanitarianism ad nauesem) Insurrection was pretty decent actually. It tried to be very "Trek"-like and tell a wholesome, upbeat story, but by this point crowds wanted their human adventure dosed with consistent heavy duty firepower. If you throw that in the latter without losing the former, you've got a classic. Insurrection took it's time getting to that balance, rather than have it from beggining to end, but that doesnt mean it was the worst movie. Much like the Bond franchise, there's no such thing as a "bad" movie in the Star Trek movie series, the worst ones are just misunderstood to the point they eventually gain a fanbase that can see each has their merits. Even Nemesis had a great idea, it just couldnt execute that idea on screen for Toffe. Above all else, Voyage Home, First Contact, and Star Trek get over because there is an ATTITUDE there. TNG? Fine, fine group of actors, wonderful philisophical series with memorable action based episodes...but there for the most part no straight attitude because Gene's vision for the Trek universe is a good dose of optimisum. You're not going to get cutthroat characters out of optimisum. Insurrection and Nemesis can't get their messages across because the PROTAGANISTS have NO attitude. In TVH, Kirk's out of synch with his own time, their radicalists from the future, eager to change or add to history in order to get the job done with the Whales. FC is Captain Ahab, and ST has Kirk without a role model, making him more of a wilder reactionary. For anyone who claims this movie was "just for the money", they have no idea what Star Trek is about, and don't want to see it evolve.
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Post by AriadosMan on May 8, 2009 21:19:44 GMT -5
You've all convinced me. I will see this movie in the coming week, not sure exactly when. It's too bad there's no market for first-run syndicated TV anymore--it would have been a much better launchpad for most of the new Trek series than UPN ever was. I guess its big-screen or bust for Trek, at least for now.
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Post by "The Rated XXX Superstar" Jed on May 8, 2009 21:58:52 GMT -5
I was pleasantly surprised. I figured this would just be another Hollywood rip-off with actors hamming it up trying to be so Kirk, Spock, & Bones-like that it just looks cheap and trashy but the movie gets good marks from the fans anyway because there's lots of explosions and random tits ala Michael Bay.
Thankfully that is not the case with this film. The plot is well thought out and unique. The charachters stick pretty close to their original roles without being overdone and there's even some new canon thrown into the mix. And the scene with Captain Kirk speaking with Classic Spock gave me goosebumps.
I also give huge props to Simon Pegg on his performance as Scotty. Many time throughout the original series and the movies Scott's character would often change radically between Serious Scotty and Funny Scotty, depending on the plot line. Pegg manages to find a happy medium between the two, giving the character a gloriously refreshing sense of humour while also retaining Scott's dignity.
If I have one complaint about the movie it would be this: too much damned lens flare. One moment the plots rolling along and cooking and you're just enjoying the film, the next you're distracted by the mystery light of doom that makes the entire screen go white. But if that's my only complaint then I would have to call the movie a complete success. Well done on all accounts.
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Post by weekendwarrior on May 8, 2009 22:30:29 GMT -5
Just got back from it. I enjoyed it, the actors took basic elements of the characters and made it their own without being total carbon copies of the original cast. The audience and I enjoyed the little homage trademarks they did like the nerve pinch, the "Damnit Jim I'm a doctor not a _____", Chekov's replacing v's with w's, Scotty's "I'm giving it all she's got" and more. This was a great movie and I'm looking forward to the sequal.
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Post by Sonic...SonicTruth on May 8, 2009 22:50:47 GMT -5
one last thing was anyone else slightly confused when Beastie boys started playing? As soon as "Sabotage" started, that made me realize this was pretty much the best movie ever. And it was. Saw it last night. Nearly as good as TDK. THAT was what the Star Wars prequels should have been.
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Post by Doctor Tull-eus S. Venture on May 9, 2009 0:01:01 GMT -5
I saw it twice tonight, and I still have chills from how utterly awesome it was. As a pretty faithful Trekkie since the age of 10, I can say that this retconning is a very refreshing step in the right direction, and this film is the shot in the arm the frnachise needed. (Spoilers )
The opening sequence was incredible. The USS Kelvin getting pounded by the Narada, George Kirk's self-sacrifice and the shots of the shuttles fleeing the doomed ship really portayed a sense of danger out in space.
I thought that there was plenty of character development for everyone in the crew, which is essential, since many times in TOS, you only got a snippet of who Sulu/Uhura/Chekov were.
Pairing Spock with Uhura was brilliant in my opinion. If they continue that romance into the sequel, I can see her really being the emotional anchor that keeps Spock from going completely logical. Also, I like that they had Sarek acknowledge his emotions when he expressed his pride in his son and how he loved Amanda.
And I thought it was really gutsy for the movie to take such a drastic turn with the destruction of Vulcan and the near-extinction of its people.
And that red-headed Orion chick Kirk was with? HAWT.
That's just a few of the many things I loved about this film.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on May 9, 2009 0:59:50 GMT -5
Aw... Looking at the spoilers, Pike not going in the black box thing is disapointing.
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Post by rchi84 on May 9, 2009 2:24:13 GMT -5
watched the movie yesterday and heres my take on it.
(disclaimer : i watched the original series and the next generation series more than 10 years ago. i am not a continuity bog nor am i a rabid trekkie)
i thought that the movie suffers from having a really weak antagonist. i mean Bana really tries, but seeing 10 romulans and a huge ship didnt give me the whole "its the end of the federation" vibe they were going for.
i thought the time travel plot device should have been explained more clearly and my big problem with the premise was
*SPOILER ALERT!!!!!*
if bana did get warped into the past, wouldnt he have tried to destroy the supernova star(let's remember, unlike the movie, stars take millions of years to reach the supernova phase.) that would have prevented his planet getting destroyed right?
*END SPOILER*
the pacing of the movie suffers from the curse of any restart the franchise movie. the character intro and setup scenes drag the pacing in the first half.
as for the acting, i liked most of the cast, but imho Nimoy beat the pants off quinto in all his scenes. and my sis made a valid point.. some of the dialogues that the cast spew out, border on being indecipherable. Nimoy's diction >>>rest of the cast combined.
the spock uhura romance seemed sudden and forced. and the "red matter" device seems a bit much.
agh what the hell, let me admit it, my major grouse is seeing winona ryder reduced to a blink and miss role.
that out of the way, the movie really picks up in the 2nd half. and some of the visuals!!! OMG is an understatement. the space dive and the ascent from saturns rings will linger forever.
a must watch for a scifi fan, but dont take ur non trekkie folks along without explaining the plot first. great reboot and heres hoping we get better villains in the next one
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Post by Bravo Echo November on May 9, 2009 3:07:09 GMT -5
Just got back from the IMAX showing... holy crap! This was phenomenal! I had only a little bit of knowledge about the series going in and I still felt so compelled and drawn into the story. Bravo!
Terminator and Transformers have a huge bar to jump over.
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Post by rchi84 on May 9, 2009 4:33:47 GMT -5
on a bit of a side note, right before the movie started, they played two trailers. one for terminator salvation, which got a muted cheer. and then the trailer for transformers 2 came on and THE THEATER ERUPTED in cheers.. looks like Bay has another winnner on his hands.
that was a response to candlejack's previous post
Star Trek is still a. .....
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Post by Grendel on May 9, 2009 7:16:11 GMT -5
Just got back from the IMAX showing... holy crap! This was phenomenal! I had only a little bit of knowledge about the series going in and I still felt so compelled and drawn into the story. Bravo! Terminator and Transformers have a huge bar to jump over. I have to go see this movie again today with friends, and I argued for IMAX. They don't want to see it in IMAX ... So, I might just have to go see it in IMAX myself. They told me that they wanted to see Watchmen in IMAX and pulled the plug at the last minute. So I might have to tell them to snork off and go see it in the way it's meant to be seen.
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Post by hollywood on May 9, 2009 11:03:36 GMT -5
I actually read the "prequel" comic published by IDW first, which was actually very good. And it made me even more interested in seeing this movie.
And I saw the movie with my girlfriend last night. We both loved it--me the long-time, trekkie dork, and she the as-newbie-as-it-gets fan.
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Post by "The Rated XXX Superstar" Jed on May 9, 2009 12:55:05 GMT -5
on a bit of a side note, right before the movie started, they played two trailers. one for terminator salvation, which got a muted cheer. and then the trailer for transformers 2 came on and THE THEATER ERUPTED in cheers.. looks like Bay has another winnner on his hands. At my theatre, when the Transformers trailer came on, there were boos. No cheers whatsoever. I mean, it's the DaVinci Code with robots and needless explosions. If that does well at the box office I riot.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on May 9, 2009 12:57:13 GMT -5
on a bit of a side note, right before the movie started, they played two trailers. one for terminator salvation, which got a muted cheer. and then the trailer for transformers 2 came on and THE THEATER ERUPTED in cheers.. looks like Bay has another winnner on his hands. At my theatre, when the Transformers trailer came on, there were boos. No cheers whatsoever. I mean, it's the DaVinci Code with robots and needless explosions. If that does well at the box office I riot. Prepare to riot then. You have a month or two to get your supplies ready.
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Post by AriadosMan on May 9, 2009 13:04:59 GMT -5
on a bit of a side note, right before the movie started, they played two trailers. one for terminator salvation, which got a muted cheer. and then the trailer for transformers 2 came on and THE THEATER ERUPTED in cheers.. looks like Bay has another winnner on his hands. At my theatre, when the Transformers trailer came on, there were boos. No cheers whatsoever. I mean, it's the DaVinci Code with robots and needless explosions. If that does well at the box office I riot. You mean they're a race ofrobots sophisticated enough to fly across the universe and transform but STILL have Hanks' hideous Da Vinci haircut? Da Vinci was, regardless of quality, a huge financial success, otherwise they wouldn't have made a sequel.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on May 9, 2009 13:57:56 GMT -5
on a bit of a side note, right before the movie started, they played two trailers. one for terminator salvation, which got a muted cheer. and then the trailer for transformers 2 came on and THE THEATER ERUPTED in cheers.. looks like Bay has another winnner on his hands. that was a response to candlejack's previous post Star Trek is still a. ..... Why can't people just shut the f*** up in movie theatres? It's bad enough I have to listen to them mess with candy wrappers, chomp popcorn like its the last food on earth, and crunch nachos as loud as humanly possible...
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on May 9, 2009 14:07:55 GMT -5
I loved the film and can't wait to go again.
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