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Post by Beans on Mar 21, 2009 16:38:13 GMT -5
But you know people don't doubt HHH is a competent draw and has been down the years but he's been given a status nobody else of his drawing power would EVER get if it wasn't for his position in the company. There's nothing to suggest that HHH deserved 10 years on top, more than other guys who have come and gone and/or been pushed down to the midcard. I also find his promo skills awesomely repetitive. Except for his ability to stay over He's as over as he ever has been and then and now he's hardly set the world alight. That's not a problem though, most guys won't. HBK didn't, Bret didn't.......but no other guy will keep getting the same push as HHH has.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Mar 21, 2009 16:39:31 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by SickFlipPiledriver on Mar 21, 2009 16:45:43 GMT -5
Some are... you aren't, so no need to implicate yourself. For what it's worth, WM21 did very good buys - better than WM20 which was advertised OUT THE ASS - with the promise of Triple H FINALLY getting his comeuppance at the hands of Batista. You aren't going to convince me that the any of the roster is a bigger draw than Triple H... the only one who for sure is, is Cena, (and Rey Mysterio probably). Orton? Eh, maybe. Edge? Possible but I doubt it. Batista? ..nah. Jericho? No. I like Jericho but let's not kid ourselves. JBL? No. Benoit? F'in lol.
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Post by Beans on Mar 21, 2009 16:48:36 GMT -5
We all laugh at Benoit's drawing ability, and it sucked...but it was no better or worse than all that was around him
In my view they THINK they need to rely on HHH more than they actually do and if they'd have been bold and moved him aside and down the card four or five years ago as they should, the product wouldn't have suffered that much at all, if not quite the opposite.
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Post by SickFlipPiledriver on Mar 21, 2009 16:52:04 GMT -5
I dunno, Triple H just feels like too big a deal to me to be down the card. Besides, any time that someone has come along that they want to push, Triple H has happily stepped aside and even put them over.
Qualifier: before anyone says it, Benoit's run wasn't meant to be the focus of the show, so it wasn't. Not Triple H's fault.
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Post by Beans on Mar 21, 2009 16:53:59 GMT -5
I dunno, Triple H just feels like too big a deal to me to be down the card. Besides, any time that someone has come along that they want to push, Triple H has happily stepped aside and even put them over. While that may be true, as I've said you can put over as many guys as you like but if come the next PPV you're headlining (even if you lose) and they're not, who really got the push?
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Mar 21, 2009 17:26:01 GMT -5
I dunno, Triple H just feels like too big a deal to me to be down the card. Besides, any time that someone has come along that they want to push, Triple H has happily stepped aside and even put them over. While that may be true, as I've said you can put over as many guys as you like but if come the next PPV you're headlining (even if you lose) and they're not, who really got the push? Who would you say as an example of this? Just wondering, do you mean Benjamin in 2004?
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Post by SickFlipPiledriver on Mar 21, 2009 17:33:58 GMT -5
Remembering this offhand (I could be wrong...)
Triple H lost thrice to Batista before going on vacation. He came back and had midcard fueds with Flair and Big Show before putting over Cena at WM22. Did his stuff with DX while the main event focus stayed with Cena/Edge.
For the record, in regards to Bad Blood '04: I'm of the opinion that a specialty match such as Hell in a Cell, should always be the main event.
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Post by Mr Kimura on Mar 21, 2009 17:40:04 GMT -5
I don't think so I dont think any one star is drawing now. I think its the whole show that draws now. Thats a good point. I know for myself that I don't say "I want to go see John Cena, I want to go see Shawn Michaels" I say " I want to go see WWE". But at the same time, I'd rather see RAW for CM Punk and Michaels if I had the choice. I guess WWE in general is a draw, but when it comes down to the brands it still relies on the stars for drawing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2009 17:52:49 GMT -5
WWE as a product, as an institution, draws more than any single wrestler or on-going feud. The WWE experience, the spectacle, is what sells. Wrestlers are at the base of that spectacle but they are so much raw material, resources, used to create something larger. The Desire video using the Kid Rock song, that linked superstars together through movement, such as Superfly's leap of the cage, Macho Man going for the Big Elbow, and Jeff Hardy hitting the swanton of a ladder and Macho Man turning in the ring transitioning to HBK and then Angle doing the same thing, makes this explicit. There's a continuity between the performers and how they are marketed; this changes through the different ages but those ages add up to a greater picture of the company, a company that creates roles for its performers to fill: the unstoppable hero, the death defying athlete, the implacable villain, the man loved by the crowd. When you go see a WWE show or watch a WWE ppv, you see the story of the entire company; the entire company draws.
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Post by sloride on Mar 21, 2009 18:05:19 GMT -5
Statistics can be manipulated by anyone to support their argument. Hell I could say that SD's highest ratings since the MyNetwork TV move was HHH wrestling three times in one night which was pre advertised. My point-statistics are unreliable. Cant manipulate the truth, go look it up and you'll see Orton as champ kept the ratings steady and they dropped when Trips won You cant really compare that. Orton was champ for seven months on RAW. HHH held the belt for a month and a half before he was moved to SD. The ratings during Orton's reign were sporadic to say the least-some weeks they were 2.8, others they were 3.8. They would jump week to week. And Orton's reign was during WM buildup, which always brings in higher ratings. See, you can always find evidence to support your claim.
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