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Post by Crook on Jul 15, 2005 21:48:48 GMT -5
Big Show was NEVER as agile in the ring, even when he was younger and thinner as JBL is RIGHT NOW. I agree with Asics, for a man his size, his wrestling is very good. He paid his dues, came up with a good gimmick that ties in well with who he is in real life (an 80s gimmick? what does that even mean?) and was rewarded with a championship reign that was much more entertaining than most (and that includes Benoit, Guerrero, Orton, Big Show, etc.) Most underrated? You better believe it's the man who carried Smackdown! for over a year, and was instrumental in helping to get John Cena over, who is arguably the company's biggest moneymaker. In short, JBL is a wrestling...GOD! And as far as who is a good/bad person, I don't personally know either of them, but I fail to see how when JBL was more than happy to risk his life to go entertain soldiers in Iraq, Blue Meanie is automatically a better person because he sat behind his computer and talked to people online. Honestly, with the sheer amount of protection they got, I don't call it risking his life. If someone deserves respect it's RVD for actually standing up to his boss and NOT going, in accordance to his own political opinion. So there. From what I heard the only reason RVD dident go was not because of anything political and i think i even read that he supported the troops as much as everyone else. I heard he just had some time off or schedueling confilict or something. |
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Post by The OP on Jul 15, 2005 21:51:25 GMT -5
Honestly, with the sheer amount of protection they got, I don't call it risking his life. If someone deserves respect it's RVD for actually standing up to his boss and NOT going, in accordance to his own political opinion. So there. From what I heard the only reason RVD dident go was not because of anything political and i think i even read that he supported the troops as much as everyone else. I heard he just had some time off or schedueling confilict or something. That's probably true. It doesn't seem like a professional like RVD would refuse to participate in entertaining some wrestling fans that are stuck in a warzone, because of his political views. Didn't Mick Foley go? |
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Post by vitamink on Jul 15, 2005 21:52:07 GMT -5
For the record, this year's Wrestlemania was the first one he's ever one. He did the job in every other Mania he was in prior to that. According to some recent interviews, it sounds like he's gotten a little more protective of his spot these days, but I'm not talking about whether he wins or loses. I hate to point things like this out, but I'm just a stickler. Angle "one" at WrestleMania 17 and 18. |
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Post by vitamink on Jul 15, 2005 21:52:54 GMT -5
From what I heard the only reason RVD dident go was not because of anything political and i think i even read that he supported the troops as much as everyone else. I heard he just had some time off or schedueling confilict or something. That's probably true. It doesn't seem like a professional like RVD would refuse to participate in entertaining some wrestling fans that are stuck in a warzone, because of his political views. Didn't Mick Foley go? I think RVD's crippling leg injury may have been a reason not to go, too. |
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Post by Crook on Jul 15, 2005 21:57:23 GMT -5
That's probably true. It doesn't seem like a professional like RVD would refuse to participate in entertaining some wrestling fans that are stuck in a warzone, because of his political views. Didn't Mick Foley go? I think RVD's crippling leg injury may have been a reason not to go, too. His leg was injured way after they went to Iraq, and yeah Mick Foley did go. |
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Post by The OP on Jul 15, 2005 21:57:52 GMT -5
That's probably true. It doesn't seem like a professional like RVD would refuse to participate in entertaining some wrestling fans that are stuck in a warzone, because of his political views. Didn't Mick Foley go? I think RVD's crippling leg injury may have been a reason not to go, too. You think so? I don't know...  |
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Post by vitamink on Jul 15, 2005 22:01:31 GMT -5
I think RVD's crippling leg injury may have been a reason not to go, too. His leg was injured way after they went to Iraq, and yeah Mick Foley did go. It's well-known he had the injury months before they made mention of it on TV... |
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Post by Tapout on Jul 15, 2005 22:10:03 GMT -5
So, Meanie's not a better person than JBL...it's just that's JBL is a worse person. I think everybody must be tired tonight or something. If JBL is worse than Meanie, wouldn't that make Meanie better? Semantics aside, I don't see anything wrong with your argument that Eddie helped put JBL over as a heel. I agree completely, except JBL did get plenty of heat for the things you claim he didn't get any heat for. People still mention the goosestepping sometimes, oh sorry that's "cheap heat".  And he got more over after he stopped feuding with Eddie. What I was saying about Cena, is that JBL did a lot to carry the feud, much like Jericho is doing now. Everyone claims that Cena is not so good in the ring but great on the mic, but Cena relies on catchphrases that are less clever than things that guys like JBL and Jericho can come up with for the first time on a weekly basis. Without a capable heel opponent to help carry the feud, Cena's flaws would've been a lot more evident. If you want to argue semantics, then yes, we're talking about Bradshaw being a worse person. No one is saying either guy is great or even good...just that if you compare the two, Bradshaw is the one who played dirty. Do you know what cheap heat means, or what it refers to? Cheap heat means using an easy way to try to get a reaction from the fans, like the goose step. The thing about that was, it didn't get much heat at all except from internet fans. Arena marks didn't care. Most of them didn't even know. Also, nobody's arguing that Cena is crap in the ring. However, the guy was being pushed as having all the credibility in the world while Bradshaw was still tagging with Simmons. Seriously, check out basically all of 2004, especially after all the main eventers left and Eddie got the title. They were shoving him down everyone's throat more than a year ago. He didn't need JBL. |
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Post by doubleyou on Jul 15, 2005 22:11:46 GMT -5
Get ready to have your socks knocked off. Oh, and this is overrated and underrated by SMARKS, not Marks. Overrated
Christian:[/color] Sure, he's an entertaining character who can get on the schtick, but let's face it - he's pretty average in the ring. Chinlock after Chinlock... blah. He doesn't even know whether he's a brawler, a technical worker or a high flyer. Still, better than Orton. Randy Orton: This ass is still overrated by the IWC. That is all. JBL: You've gotta be kidding me. Seriously, what a sack of crap (in the ring). He's okay enough to be carried by Eddie and Kurt, but nothing much else. Gene Snitsky: Tyson Tomko is a better worker than you. Underrated
Chris Benoit:[/color] I can understand Asics not liking him since he's seemingly "had it in for him" since last year, but don't let him bother you, he likes Hulk Hogan. (  J/k) Anyway, nobody seems to appreciate him any more. Maybe peoples' opinions and views have been clouded by the fact that he wrestled Tajiri, Tomko and whoever else in three minute matches on Raw, I'm not sure. Chris was never billed as a mic monkey, so when you take away his only quality, wrestling, there's not much else. What did you expect? Batista: He's no Hart in the ring, and he IS a little sluggish, but not many realise how well he's advanced as a brawler. He does what he knows as a big man, and he does it adequately. Too bad his character has been softened. Shelton Benjamin (and Charlie Haas): This guy is AWESOME. He can wrestle, he can brawl, and he can fly. Hard to doubt that he's one of the best consistent workers in WWE. Rey Mysterio: Yes, he IS a good wrestler, not just a spot monkey. That's it until I can remember more. |
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Post by Claw died on Jul 17, 2005 15:34:18 GMT -5
Maybe so, but what does this prove? JBL's a bully, beat up on Meanie when he didn't start s***, and, hey wait...
Meanie is still cooler than JBL. Yup. A wrestler friggin' took the time to talk to us. JBL would just say, "Pfft, stupid net fans don't know s***" and wouldn't give us the time of day. But Meanie talked to us.
HA! BOO F'n HOO
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Post by Claw died on Jul 17, 2005 15:41:16 GMT -5
OVERATED
Christian: Good till he gets in the ring and does reverse chin lock for an hour
Blue Meanie: So he talked to you, must make him the new wrestling God, prolly cause noone wanted him booked in a match
UNDERATED
Undertaker: Still more entertaining then anyone else on roster, and why would he sell to someone half his size, not beliveable IMO
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Post by curtrok on Jul 17, 2005 16:07:38 GMT -5
Overrated- Carlito. I don't see the appeal he takes up way too much TV to be as medicore as he is. That's not to say that he's bad, he's just not good.
Christian- When did he become so popular and what did he do to deserve it?
Y2J- (In the ring) Not his fault, safe style = boring Y2J matches.
Shelton Benjamin- Botches way to many moves, simple moves too like small packages, I've seen him Botch three in the last two months.
Underrated- Beniot (On the mic) He's not half as bad as he's made out to be.
HHH- I hate to say it but he's really good at this wrestling thing and gets blasted a little too much in my opinion.
HBK- He's not "past his prime" People keep saying this and he keeps on having great matches.
Hassan- (In the ring) I think he's green, but better in the ring than people give him credit for.
JBL- I don't know if he's underrated as much as underappreciated. For a big slob he can wrestle a good match and brawl.
Batista- For some reason no one thinks he can wrestle. He's a very sound big guy.
Big Show- I don't know why but people expect someone his size to move faster and have a higher work rate. It is unreasonable.
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Post by THRJamesAngelo on Jul 17, 2005 16:32:48 GMT -5
Overrated:
Cena, Cena, Cena, Cena, Cena, Snitsky, Cena, and Cena
Underrated:
Y2J: If he bulked up just a little bit (he looks like he shrank since 1999), I can totally see him as an Austin, Rock, HHH, Foley type deal. Hes got the mic skills, ring skills, and even ring enterance to make him an even bigger star than he is right now. IC title is cool, but he deserves more than that.
Benoit: Best technical wrestler today. Can throw a 30 minute wrestling clinic that will leave everyone amazed. Makes for better tv time than say, a masterlock challege, or the Diva Search.
Angle: Everyone saw the show he put on at WM 21 right? It boggles my mind why he isnt holding a title right now.
Cruiserweight Division: When was the last time there was an uninterrupted, one on one match on Smackdown? These guys can put on a show like no other.
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Post by curtrok on Jul 17, 2005 16:35:24 GMT -5
health concerns are the main reason Angle isn't pushed harder.
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Post by invaderdave on Jul 17, 2005 16:37:29 GMT -5
Okay, I'll just make a mild argument about the Big Show debate:
It's not because he's slow, it's because he's SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW.
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Post by curtrok on Jul 17, 2005 16:44:51 GMT -5
Get ready to have your socks knocked off. Oh, and this is overrated and underrated by SMARKS, not Marks. Overrated
Christian:[/color] Sure, he's an entertaining character who can get on the schtick, but let's face it - he's pretty average in the ring. Chinlock after Chinlock... blah. He doesn't even know whether he's a brawler, a technical worker or a high flyer. Still, better than Orton. Randy Orton: This ass is still overrated by the IWC. That is all. JBL: You've gotta be kidding me. Seriously, what a sack of crap (in the ring). He's okay enough to be carried by Eddie and Kurt, but nothing much else. Gene Snitsky: Tyson Tomko is a better worker than you. Underrated
Chris Benoit:[/color] I can understand Asics not liking him since he's seemingly "had it in for him" since last year, but don't let him bother you, he likes Hulk Hogan. ( J/k) Anyway, nobody seems to appreciate him any more. Maybe peoples' opinions and views have been clouded by the fact that he wrestled Tajiri, Tomko and whoever else in three minute matches on Raw, I'm not sure. Chris was never billed as a mic monkey, so when you take away his only quality, wrestling, there's not much else. What did you expect? Batista: He's no Hart in the ring, and he IS a little sluggish, but not many realise how well he's advanced as a brawler. He does what he knows as a big man, and he does it adequately. Too bad his character has been softened. Shelton Benjamin (and Charlie Haas): This guy is AWESOME. He can wrestle, he can brawl, and he can fly. Hard to doubt that he's one of the best consistent workers in WWE. Rey Mysterio: Yes, he IS a good wrestler, not just a spot monkey. That's it until I can remember more.[/quote] I agreed with most of that and said it before you so no one's socks got knocked off. However Benjamin is beyond overrated. How can one of the "best workers" "consistently" botch simple moves. |
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Post by doubleyou on Jul 18, 2005 11:43:26 GMT -5
Get ready to have your socks knocked off. Oh, and this is overrated and underrated by SMARKS, not Marks. Overrated
Christian:[/color] Sure, he's an entertaining character who can get on the schtick, but let's face it - he's pretty average in the ring. Chinlock after Chinlock... blah. He doesn't even know whether he's a brawler, a technical worker or a high flyer. Still, better than Orton. Randy Orton: This ass is still overrated by the IWC. That is all. JBL: You've gotta be kidding me. Seriously, what a sack of crap (in the ring). He's okay enough to be carried by Eddie and Kurt, but nothing much else. Gene Snitsky: Tyson Tomko is a better worker than you. Underrated
Chris Benoit:[/color] I can understand Asics not liking him since he's seemingly "had it in for him" since last year, but don't let him bother you, he likes Hulk Hogan. ( J/k) Anyway, nobody seems to appreciate him any more. Maybe peoples' opinions and views have been clouded by the fact that he wrestled Tajiri, Tomko and whoever else in three minute matches on Raw, I'm not sure. Chris was never billed as a mic monkey, so when you take away his only quality, wrestling, there's not much else. What did you expect? Batista: He's no Hart in the ring, and he IS a little sluggish, but not many realise how well he's advanced as a brawler. He does what he knows as a big man, and he does it adequately. Too bad his character has been softened. Shelton Benjamin (and Charlie Haas): This guy is AWESOME. He can wrestle, he can brawl, and he can fly. Hard to doubt that he's one of the best consistent workers in WWE. Rey Mysterio: Yes, he IS a good wrestler, not just a spot monkey. That's it until I can remember more.[/quote] I agreed with most of that and said it before you so no one's socks got knocked off. However Benjamin is beyond overrated. How can one of the "best workers" "consistently" botch simple moves. [/quote] For every botched move, Benjamin will give us a perfectly executed unique one. Not bad for a midcarder. At least he's not like Orton, who botches clothesline spots on a weekly basis. |
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Post by skyday1402 on Jul 18, 2005 14:36:15 GMT -5
Exactly!
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Post by curtrok on Jul 18, 2005 16:14:06 GMT -5
Benjamin Botches inside cradles. I don't mind if you botch some type of springboard plancha, which he has but a small package in a pin trading spot or a victory roll come on.
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Post by mainsupreme on Jul 18, 2005 16:30:09 GMT -5
The most overrated man in ALL of wrestling, and perhaps, wrestling history even, is Chris Benoit. Never have I EVER seen someone receive so much praise based on absolutely nothing. Especially nowadays. I could've seen him being praised about 5-10 years ago, but now he's just a repetitive wrestler with no gimmick other than he does the same kind of suplex a lot in every match. Overrated as it gets, folks. AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels receive honorable mention, but not enough people know them to warrant putting them above Benoit, who is overrated on a much, much grander scale. The most underrated man in wrestling is probably JBL. People diss him entirely too much for my liking. He has taken a mediocre gimmick, and turned it into something huge. He has more heat than anyone on the roster, and his wrestling, while not technically sound, is great for a big brawler such as him. how I always agree with you I was just thinking that when I saw an APA match this afternoon. He has grown so much. And benoit yes, meh also overrated are all the tragic heroes of wrestling like owen hart, brian pillman hell even bret hart is sometimes overrated. |
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And he got more over after he stopped feuding with Eddie. What I was saying about Cena, is that JBL did a lot to carry the feud, much like Jericho is doing now. Everyone claims that Cena is not so good in the ring but great on the mic, but Cena relies on catchphrases that are less clever than things that guys like JBL and Jericho can come up with for the first time on a weekly basis. Without a capable heel opponent to help carry the feud, Cena's flaws would've been a lot more evident.
