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Post by dragonfire53511 on Apr 27, 2009 17:45:23 GMT -5
Nothing against the WWE writing staff,I'm sure freddy prince or steph doing their best but I've been a fan sense '81 and hope to be for a good long time to come but when you depletes your story line pool; An then it require you to play hot potatoe with the championship belts between a handful of people then something is wrong;
I mean the championship is suppose to be the holy grail to them but only a handful of the roster ever tries or even succeed in capturing it for themselves
HHH, John Cena,undertaker,orton,edge,Batista,big show,Jericho
these 9 our the main holders of any of the three main championship belts
then you count the unsal long shot
Matt and Jeff , Rey , mark Henry, Christian and a few other jobbers
The point is they need to make the roster whole , unify the belts, dust off the few belts that got retired and get back to wrestling. We all know and love, where storyline can be done to believable portions and we don't have to see the trash that took place at this years backlash repeat itself again.
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Post by C2THAJ is a pretty princess on Apr 27, 2009 17:46:55 GMT -5
vintage thread idea!
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Post by analyticalkeys on Apr 27, 2009 17:48:06 GMT -5
I wish with all my heart that it would go back to this, but I know it's not going to happen. I feel like they've delved too far into the separate shows that they're not going to bother combining them again at this point.
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Post by The Curmudgeon on Apr 27, 2009 17:49:23 GMT -5
It's always been this way, though.
Back in the Good Old Days(tm), there were only a select few guys who went for the title, a select few who won it and the rest didn't have a chance.
Ever see Virgil or IRS go for the title? Or Beau Beverly? Or Tatanka? Or L.O.D? Or Typhoon?
Brand split or not - that's the way it's always been.
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Post by The Ipod Sting on Apr 27, 2009 17:50:18 GMT -5
The point is they need to make the rooster whole , unify the belts ... Red Rooster jobbing everyone out for all the belts = $$$$ |
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Post by Reptar on Apr 27, 2009 17:51:56 GMT -5
I mean the championship is suppose to be the holy grail to them but only a handful of the rooster ever tries or even succede in capturing it for themselves The point is they need to make the rooster whole Terry Taylor approves this thread. |
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Apr 27, 2009 17:55:31 GMT -5
I agree with the whole separate franchise angle being stupid, in practice only (not on paper). But at the same time, I disagree with the notion (if indeed it is what you suggested) that everyone, even guys like Big Daddy V, should be able to be the top champion.
I have no problem at all with bringing up guys who are talented enough to one day become world champ, but there are some people I just would never buy as a world champ. JBL and Cena are both in this list for me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2009 17:56:17 GMT -5
If they actually stuck to the split, it would be much better. The best thing would be to have three distinct brands and the wrestlers only cross over at the Rumble and Wrestlemania.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Apr 27, 2009 18:06:53 GMT -5
My problem is not the brand split, but that each show has seperate titles. It annoys me to no end that we have 2(3 if you count the ECW championship) World titles. I always stand by the philosophy, One World = One World Champion. Its been that ways for decades and it should not change. Holding the top title means your the best(at least in kayfabe), you can't have two or three top people, it makes no sense.
So here's how I'd do it.
Unify the World and secondary titles, since the tag team titles are already unified, and have the champions roam through RAW and Smackdown.
Unify the Women's and Diva's championship, and transfer all the WWE divas to ECW making it a Diva's exclusive show. While they're add it, they can bring female wrestlers from the Indies and Japan so we can have eye candy AND actual wrestling from the Women. Its the best of both Worlds.
I'm probably asking for way too much and I highly doubt that'll ever happen in the E. A man can dream though.
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Post by dragonfire53511 on Apr 27, 2009 18:07:05 GMT -5
I agree with the whole separate franchise angle being stupid, in practice only (not on paper). But at the same time, I disagree with the notion (if indeed it is what you suggested) that everyone, even guys like Big Daddy V, should be able to be the top champion. I have no problem at all with bringing up guys who are talented enough to one day become world champ, but there are some people I just would never buy as a world champ. JBL and Cena are both in this list for me. Noooo .... I'm not suggestion that everyone could be a champ but I mean their jobbers and their whole point in being is to build up people to the level of champions and in truth their underutilized. I mean why not have one or two of them rush the ring when a heel champion get his mouth going and offer a open challenge. It doesn't mean they have to win but it be a change of pace An about the brand seperation it was to give people on the roster more camera time and for a few unknown a chance at tv time but now we get more dumb bs from the heel try for the belt or he has the belt and he loves hearing himself talk. Until the person he's in the lame feud he in comes down and clean his clock. If they have abandon the character building purpose of the seperation process then get ride of all of it. |
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Post by dragonfire53511 on Apr 27, 2009 18:10:30 GMT -5
My problem is not the brand split, but that each show has seperate titles. It annoys me to no end that we have 2(3 if you count the ECW championship) World titles. I always stand by the philosophy, One World = One World Champion. Its been that ways for decades and it should not change. Holding the top title means your the best(at least in kayfabe), you can't have two or three top people, it makes no sense. So here's how I'd do it. Unify the World and secondary titles, since the tag team titles are already unified, and have the champions roam through RAW and Smackdown. Unify the Women's and Diva's championship, and transfer all the WWE divas to ECW making it a Diva's exclusive show. While they're add it, they can bring female wrestlers from the Indies and Japan so we can have eye candy AND actual wrestling from the Women. Its the best of both Worlds. I'm probably asking for way too much and I highly doubt that'll ever happen in the E. A man can dream though. An you make a excellent point with everything you wrote !!!! |
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Post by "The Rated XXX Superstar" Jed on Apr 27, 2009 18:13:27 GMT -5
I've been saying this for a long time. And yes, Rooster should definitely hold all the belts.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Apr 27, 2009 18:15:18 GMT -5
I don't agree. The roster is too big and there is just too much talent to have just 1 world title. People always complain how boring it is to see Cena/Triple H/Batista/ Randy Orton/Edge fighting for titles. Imagine if there was only 1 belt. It would be these same guys, in the main angles, on both shows for the next 10-12 years until they retire. Remember the 15-30 minute interviews during the Attitude era? It's that, all over again with those same 5 guys.
The Brand split allowed guys like Edge, Jeff hardy, Cena, Brock, Eddie Guerrero, Benoit, RVD, JBL, etc. to shine without alienating the WWE's "money" guys.
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Post by Eli on Apr 27, 2009 18:18:08 GMT -5
CM Punk does not equal jobber.
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Post by texaswhopper on Apr 27, 2009 18:21:12 GMT -5
"Ever see Virgil or IRS go for the title? Or Beau Beverly? Or Tatanka? Or L.O.D? Or Typhoon?"
So many times today angles focus on getting to a title. Back then they played it out so only main eventers and mid card guys really cared about singles titles. Other guys would just have feuds for other reasons. In the gimmicky days alot of angles with non-title holders centered around something connected with their gimmick. Like the IRS wanted you to pay your taxes. So they would build a feud off of that with some wrestler that wanted to resist it.
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Post by johnnyk9 on Apr 27, 2009 18:23:30 GMT -5
IRS did wrestle Savage for the WWE Title on video tape
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Post by neilfrazier on Apr 27, 2009 18:30:22 GMT -5
I think it can still be done, and rather easily. First, unify all of the champions.
There are only 2 world belts to begin with because of WCW (and later WCW), and I think the time has come to merge the two championships and bring back the classic WWF style championship belt. This will become the flagship belt, restricted to only a few stars.
After the unification, we have the WWE title, IC title, Womens, Tag, and Cruiserweight. Adding another singles belt is needed, so we will add "TV Title" to the mix.
Raw will be a show deep in star power, focused on the main event chase. All major titles are to be defended on Raw, as it will give the champions more prime time TV exposure.
ECW can be a show focused on the TV title, and up and coming stars.
Superstars will focus on the title contenders
Smackdown is all about the IC title, as the IC title holder is guaranteed WWE title matches at No Mercy and Judgement Day.
It could work......
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Apr 27, 2009 18:34:58 GMT -5
"Ever see Virgil or IRS go for the title? Or Beau Beverly? Or Tatanka? Or L.O.D? Or Typhoon?" So many times today angles focus on getting to a title. Back then they played it out so only main eventers and mid card guys really cared about singles titles. Other guys would just have feuds for other reasons. In the gimmicky days alot of angles with non-title holders centered around something connected with their gimmick. Like the IRS wanted you to pay your taxes. So they would build a feud off of that with some wrestler that wanted to resist it. Back then, not all of the top stars were in one promotion. There were guys like Hogan, Warrior and Savage who would challenge, but others who were deserving of the opportunity to step up to the main event would be held down because of the big names. Guys like Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels would have never been able to be champions as long as Hulk or Savage were around. Since the downfall of WCW, WWE has has the top money makers in the business. If there was one belt, these younger stars would never get a shot for the belt until Trips decides to retire. |
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Post by analyticalkeys on Apr 27, 2009 18:35:51 GMT -5
I don't agree. The roster is too big and there is just too much talent to have just 1 world title. People always complain how boring it is to see Cena/Triple H/Batista/ Randy Orton/Edge fighting for titles. Imagine if there was only 1 belt. It would be these same guys, in the main angles, on both shows for the next 10-12 years until they retire. Remember the 15-30 minute interviews during the Attitude era? It's that, all over again with those same 5 guys. The Brand split allowed guys like Edge, Jeff hardy, Cena, Brock, Eddie Guerrero, Benoit, RVD, JBL, etc. to shine without alienating the WWE's "money" guys. Yes, and most of us loved the Attitude era... the superstars were much better on the mic so the interviews weren't as bad, but right now.. I don't think it would go over too well. I understand what you're saying about so many other people getting a chance, but I feel like they could still change it up with only one belt. The reason there were only a few guys in the mix before is because the fans truly loved those guys, and were happy to see those matches. It seems like they're just rehashing tried and boring plots for the current superstars, and once they stop this and start having better stories, it will be a lot more manageable to watch the current roster go for title shots. |
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Post by The Verdict on Apr 27, 2009 18:36:14 GMT -5
vintage first post!!!! the way I see it is the wwe title means your the best in the company and the world heavyweight means your the best in the world, the ECW title.....meh....but about the brand split it is a good idea because in thought it would provide more fresh main event feuds and more top stars but thats not really what were getting. I like the brand split because if there wasn't one all there would be is HHH vs. Orton |
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