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Post by chunkylover53 on Apr 22, 2009 20:13:52 GMT -5
Okay, this has been bothering me ever since it happened, and I've been meaning to make a thread about this. In The Attitude Era, The Ninth Wonder of The World proved to be one tough cookie. She was built as a believable threat to the men's division.
She was the first Women ever to compete in the Royal Rumble and King of The Ring tournament. For one week, she was a number one contender for the WWF championship.
Later that year, she defeated Jeff Jarrett for the Intercontinental Championship, after weeks of his sexist antics and prejudice towards the opposite gender. She held the championship two more times.
Then, in late 2000/early 2001, she feuded with Ivory OVER THE WOMEN'S TITLE and then winning it. That didn't make sense at all. She proved that she can hang with the guys, and then she competes for the Women's championship?!?!?
I never got that. I know she was on her way out of the company, so it might've been due to politics(Triple H might've played a role since he was no longer with her), but still.
Can somebody please explain this to me?
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Post by Chainsaw on Apr 22, 2009 20:43:02 GMT -5
Playboy happened. That`s what. Then she destroyed every woman she faced, and they released her because they didn`t want to pay her more.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Apr 22, 2009 23:12:10 GMT -5
Playboy happened. That`s what. Then she destroyed every woman she faced, and they released her because they didn`t want to pay her more. Wait, so her being in Playboy factored in the decision to make her Women's champ? I don't get it. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 22, 2009 23:14:25 GMT -5
Playboy happened. That`s what. Then she destroyed every woman she faced, and they released her because they didn`t want to pay her more. Wait, so her being in Playboy factored in the decision to make her Women's champ? I don't get it. "Most guys" aren't interested in women that can kick their asses. They wanted to market her Playboy stuff, so they had to tone the testosterone down and put her back in the womens division. |
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Post by Mr. Nice on Apr 22, 2009 23:17:45 GMT -5
Wait, so her being in Playboy factored in the decision to make her Women's champ? I don't get it. "Most guys" aren't interested in women that can kick their asses. They wanted to market her Playboy stuff, so they had to tone the testosterone down and put her back in the womens division. I dig girls who can kick my ass. It's Chyna, that I don't dig. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2009 23:20:55 GMT -5
Why do some former world Champions like JBL, Rey Mysterio, CM Punk, etc gun for the U.S./IC/Tag team titles? Same answer as that.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Apr 22, 2009 23:34:57 GMT -5
I believe that in a roundabout way, it was cause of the playboy thing. She had all inds of surgery to look more feminine, and dropped a lot of muscle mass as well, even if she was in shape, she wasn't as ripped as she used to be, and was a harder sell against male wrestlers because of it.
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Post by Aceorton on Apr 23, 2009 0:32:21 GMT -5
Honestly, I think there also was the matter of her ringwork. They always tried to market her as being able to hang with the guys, but her matches against the guys were usually (though not always) pretty awful. Male wrestlers frequently had to sell really weak, crappy-looking offense from Chyna, which made them look ridiculous and made the overall product seem hoaky.
In the women's division, Chyna could squash bump-takers like Ivory, Lita, etc., and it came off a lot better.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 23, 2009 3:02:25 GMT -5
Kayfabe wise, it was explained that the RTC's Spike Piledriver had hurt her neck and she wouldn't be able to compete with the males quite as effectively.
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Post by Paul E. Funk on Apr 23, 2009 5:23:22 GMT -5
On the surface it would appear that they'd run out of options for her. They didn't want to put the world belt on her and she'd already held the secondary title twice (though I'm very surprised she never held the Tag Titles/Hardcore) and competed in the Rumble twice. They could have been trying to salvage Chyna by making her the focal point of the Womens Division. Since she was technically a woman.
Politically, I reckon they were trying to put her in her place demonstrating that they were willing to book her at that level. I don't get why she didn't drop it to Lita at Judg(e)ment Day seeing as she pretty much disappeared after that.
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Post by George Harrison on Apr 23, 2009 5:26:44 GMT -5
She just changed, she became wrestling eye-candy and not the brute she was when she first entered, and then she involved into the woman she became when she battled Ivory.
Not forgetting Ivory was part of RTC, perhaps her character couldn't stick with that. It was kind of what happens with Kong in TNA, she was built so strong that no-one should realistically beat her.
Who did she lose it to?
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Apr 23, 2009 5:32:16 GMT -5
She just changed, she became wrestling eye-candy and not the brute she was when she first entered, and then she involved into the woman she became when she battled Ivory. Not forgetting Ivory was part of RTC, perhaps her character couldn't stick with that. It was kind of what happens with Kong in TNA, she was built so strong that no-one should realistically beat her. Who did she lose it to? I think she left the company while she was the Women's Champ, so they quietly vacated it. Trish won the vacant title at Survivor Series '01 in a Six Pack Challenge. |
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Post by bigsplash on Apr 23, 2009 8:58:06 GMT -5
she lost a lot of size when she decided to become more of a girl and instead of being on the same size range as men, she just become a very large female, which is a big difference credibility wise.
and the playboy thing didn't help matters with
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Post by The Peoples Elbow on Apr 23, 2009 8:58:36 GMT -5
Because the (then) WWF didn't want to spend extra money making a special Hermaphrodite Champion title?
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Post by Chainsaw on Apr 23, 2009 9:08:34 GMT -5
Because the (then) WWF didn't want to spend extra money making a special Hermaphrodite Champion title? And the only challengers would have been Hervina, Cloudy, and Michelle McCool. ;D |
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Post by The Peoples Elbow on Apr 23, 2009 9:19:49 GMT -5
Because the (then) WWF didn't want to spend extra money making a special Hermaphrodite Champion title? And the only challengers would have been Hervina, Cloudy, and Michelle McCool. ;D ::Taker tapes fists:: |
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Post by Jay Carroll on Apr 23, 2009 9:21:08 GMT -5
Damn, I had an incredibly poignant post in mind... until I read the Hermaphrodite Championship idea.
So I declare a free post.
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Post by nt86 on Apr 23, 2009 10:13:22 GMT -5
Wasn't her competing in the women's division seen as a way of demoting her, after she reportedly got a lot of heat for gaining a big ego?
Lita was the only woman who she gave any credibility in a match to. Even though she beat Lita in her final WWE match, she actually sold for her and made it look as if she could be beaten by her. That spanking feud, however, took away from it.
She never had interest in pushing women's wrestling forward, hence working against the men. She's said it on and off TV. Chyna was similar AND different to Sable. Chyna was unwilling to put the other women over because she thought she was at a higher standard than them (and in some cases might have been) in the ring, whereas Sable was unwilling to take a bump or train properly so with her popularity, had the bargaining power to go over actual talent.
Now Chyna would probably get a run for her money by Beth Phoenix, or even Victoria while she was around.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2009 10:23:41 GMT -5
Kayfabe wise, it was explained that the RTC's Spike Piledriver had hurt her neck and she wouldn't be able to compete with the males quite as effectively. Well, looking at the members of the RTC at the time, Ivory was the only one she could seriously have a match against that would look decent. (Steven Richards was strictly a manager and was recovering from his own neck troubles.) Wasn't Ivory the one that re-injured her neck a week or so prior to the WM match? |
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Post by Miss RKO on Apr 23, 2009 10:31:35 GMT -5
Kayfabe wise, it was explained that the RTC's Spike Piledriver had hurt her neck and she wouldn't be able to compete with the males quite as effectively. Plus i think she was off doing Playboy promotion so they explained her being off tv with a "neck injury". |
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