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Post by Slingshot Suplay on May 1, 2009 11:19:55 GMT -5
in Every interview I've heard from kurt, he's said the same things - He was taking like 60 painkillers a day, he wanted a lighter road schedule, but WWE said they needed him on the road because he was a draw, he also said that he wanted to go into rehab, but vince wanted Kurt to beat the addiction himself.
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Post by CrazySting on May 1, 2009 11:22:39 GMT -5
He also did an interview shorty after he left WWE claiming he's been clean for 2 years, which was complete B.S. He changes his story about how long he's been clean a lot. I think when it comes to how long someone is/isnt clean i dont think anyone apart from the individual can know that-same with someone using steroids we can only speculate Kurt was heavily into painkillers before he left. This is almost certain. He was called "WWE worst drug addict" by many, many people in the company and he was relased because if he wouldn't go rehab they felt he was done for. That's what happened and now Kurt is owning up to it too. WWE's worst drug addict. Think about who that covers. And Kurt was worse than all of them.
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Post by Snitsky on May 1, 2009 11:27:47 GMT -5
I think when it comes to how long someone is/isnt clean i dont think anyone apart from the individual can know that-same with someone using steroids we can only speculate Kurt was heavily into painkillers before he left. This is almost certain. He was called "WWE worst drug addict" by many, many people in the company. WWE's worst drug addict. Thin about who that covers. And Kurt was worse than all of them. Ok fair enough but that still doesnt give reason to put time limits on how clean he has or hasnt been...however i do agree he had a problem but i dont think he was worse than most- without naming names there was a WWF/E(i say both because he was around for both ) wrestler who was actually caught with a needle in his arm and he isnt a diabetic
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Post by Snitsky on May 1, 2009 11:28:48 GMT -5
in Every interview I've heard from kurt, he's said the same things - He was taking like 60 painkillers a day, he wanted a lighter road schedule, but WWE said they needed him on the road because he was a draw, he also said that he wanted to go into rehab, but vince wanted Kurt to beat the addiction himself. exactly- thats what i said on the first page of this thread only thing that differs is that i do remember him saying WWE threw the rehab as a last minute thing to get him to change his mind
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Post by Miss RKO on May 1, 2009 11:31:20 GMT -5
every interview i have heard of kurts he has said the same story-only recently he did say he and vince smoothed things out..but hey i havnt listened to all his interviews just a few...infact it may have been the howard stern interview he said he and vince ironed out their issues He also did an interview shorty after he left WWE claiming he's been clean for 2 years, which was complete B.S. He changes his story about how long he's been clean a lot. Kurt says a lot of stuff but its best to just take with salt since he'll end up changing his story later
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Post by CrazySting on May 1, 2009 11:43:04 GMT -5
Kurt was heavily into painkillers before he left. This is almost certain. He was called "WWE worst drug addict" by many, many people in the company. WWE's worst drug addict. Thin about who that covers. And Kurt was worse than all of them. Ok fair enough but that still doesnt give reason to put time limits on how clean he has or hasnt been...however i do agree he had a problem but i dont think he was worse than most- without naming names there was a WWF/E(i say both because he was around for both ) wrestler who was actually caught with a needle in his arm and he isnt a diabetic That's the point: he was worse than anyone. WWE even had to get him handlers to get him from arena to arena. He would send these wacky texts messages to people- including Vince and Johnny Ace. He even got pretty unsafe to work with towards the end, he dropped RVD on his head, and then said it was RVD's fault. I'm not saying Kurt's the only drug addict, but people in WWE who were around for all the major drug issues. Pillman, Jake the Snake, HBK, Sunny..etc said he was the worst, easily.
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Post by CrazySting on May 1, 2009 11:47:44 GMT -5
in Every interview I've heard from kurt, he's said the same things - He was taking like 60 painkillers a day, he wanted a lighter road schedule, but WWE said they needed him on the road because he was a draw, he also said that he wanted to go into rehab, but vince wanted Kurt to beat the addiction himself. I don't think much of Vince, but the idea that he would flat out refuse to let someone who desperately needed it go to rehab is absurd. Bad press, for one thing. Kurt is an olympic gold medalist. Maybe Eddie could die and it wouldn't get too much reaction, but Kurt would get a ton of mainstream press. I think WWE may have turned a blind eye to Kurt's issues for a lot longer than they should have, but in 2006,when he got really bad they couldn't do it anymore.
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Post by Snitsky on May 1, 2009 11:48:17 GMT -5
Ok fair enough but that still doesnt give reason to put time limits on how clean he has or hasnt been...however i do agree he had a problem but i dont think he was worse than most- without naming names there was a WWF/E(i say both because he was around for both ) wrestler who was actually caught with a needle in his arm and he isnt a diabetic That's the point: he was worse than anyone. WWE even had to get him handlers to get him from arena to arena. He would send these wacky texts messages to people- including Vince and Johnny Ace. He even got pretty unsafe to work with towards the end, he dropped RVD on his head, and then said it was RVD's fault. I'm not saying Kurt's the only drug addict, but people in WWE who were around for everyone, Pillman, Jake the Snake, HBK, said he was the worst, easily. I dont think he was the worst but that is my opinion, i can tell you story after story after story alot of which has never been made public knowledge to back that up-but anyway i am digressing from the point- It can only be speculation when it comes down to how long someone has been clean for
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on May 1, 2009 11:50:01 GMT -5
.....they would add alcohol and marijuana to the wellness policy... That's got to be one of the most ill-thought out statements i've seen on Wrestlecrap. Marijuana I can understand simply because it's illegal. The health implications are there but the legal issues are more pronounced (and thats another topic for another day) Alcohol however, putting that on the wellness policy is pure idiocy. Not everyone abuses alcohol, and i've not heard of any current wrestlers with drink problems. The life of a wrestler is demanding physically and mentally, alcohol is a great relaxant and way of unwinding. Ban that and illegal drug use might begin, that or wrestlers just quitting out of stress. If they can't go out and have a drink after the show then you;'re basically saying "You're not having any fun or social itmes, you're a wrestler and nothing more!" Marijuana I can understand and would agree on a legal stance. Alcohol...no. Anyway, I was sure that when Kurt left it was revealed he was offered rehab and declined? I'm sure I hear this story at the time of his departure.
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Post by CrazySting on May 1, 2009 11:50:20 GMT -5
That's the point: he was worse than anyone. WWE even had to get him handlers to get him from arena to arena. He would send these wacky texts messages to people- including Vince and Johnny Ace. He even got pretty unsafe to work with towards the end, he dropped RVD on his head, and then said it was RVD's fault. I'm not saying Kurt's the only drug addict, but people in WWE who were around for everyone, Pillman, Jake the Snake, HBK, said he was the worst, easily. I dont think he was the worst but that is my opinion, i can tell you story after story after story alot of which has never been made public knowledge to back that up-but anyway i am digressing from the point- It can only be speculation when it comes down to how long someone has been clean for After Kurt left WWE, that is true. No-one knows now if he's clean or not. But uptil he left WWE, he was a heavy drug user. This is a fact. Backed up by witnesses, doctors, drug tests, and now Kurt himself.
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Post by Snitsky on May 1, 2009 11:51:30 GMT -5
in Every interview I've heard from kurt, he's said the same things - He was taking like 60 painkillers a day, he wanted a lighter road schedule, but WWE said they needed him on the road because he was a draw, he also said that he wanted to go into rehab, but vince wanted Kurt to beat the addiction himself. I don't think much of Vince, but the idea that he would flat out refuse to let someone who desperately needed it go to rehab is absurd. Bad press, for one thing. Kurt is an olympic gold medalist. Maybe Eddie could die and it wouldn't get too much reaction, but Kurt would get a ton of mainstream press. I think WWE may have turned a blind eye to Kurt's issues for a lot longer than they should have, but in 2006,when he got really bad they couldn't do it anymore. WWE turn a blind eye to ALOT of things-
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Post by Snitsky on May 1, 2009 11:54:11 GMT -5
I dont think he was the worst but that is my opinion, i can tell you story after story after story alot of which has never been made public knowledge to back that up-but anyway i am digressing from the point- It can only be speculation when it comes down to how long someone has been clean for After Kurt left WWE, that is true. No-one knows now if he's clean or not. But uptil he left WWE, he was a heavy drug user. This is a fact. Backed up by witnesses, doctors, drug tests, and now Kurt himself. I didnt disagree with you that he wasnt a drug user i was also saying he probably wasnt the worst but again that is my opinion i was also referring to the comment you made about it being BS the time he had been clean for- IMO again that is all specualtion
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Post by CrazySting on May 1, 2009 11:55:40 GMT -5
After Kurt left WWE, that is true. No-one knows now if he's clean or not. But uptil he left WWE, he was a heavy drug user. This is a fact. Backed up by witnesses, doctors, drug tests, and now Kurt himself. i was also referring to the comment you made about it being BS the time he had been clean for- IMO again that is all specualtion Just after Kurt left WWE he claimed he'd been clean for 2 years, so, yes, it was BS.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on May 1, 2009 11:57:15 GMT -5
After Kurt left WWE, that is true. No-one knows now if he's clean or not. But uptil he left WWE, he was a heavy drug user. This is a fact. Backed up by witnesses, doctors, drug tests, and now Kurt himself. I didnt disagree with you that he wasnt a drug user i was also saying he probably wasnt the worst but again that is my opinion i was also referring to the comment you made about it being BS the time he had been clean for- IMO again that is all specualtion Sorry but when it comes to your opinion on whether Kurt's the worstdrug user, or people within the WWE, i'm more inclined to side with thos within WWE as they will actually KNOW a lot of non-public-knowledge stuff. Also it isn't speculation- look at how much Angle has shrank since joining TNA. I watched some TNA a couple weeks ago and was amazed at how much smaller he was. If anything's evidence that he was still a heavy drug/steroid (and thus probably painkilers too) user in WWE in 2006, it's that.
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Post by Snitsky on May 1, 2009 11:59:28 GMT -5
.....they would add alcohol and marijuana to the wellness policy... That's got to be one of the most ill-thought out statements i've seen on Wrestlecrap. Marijuana I can understand simply because it's illegal. The health implications are there but the legal issues are more pronounced (and thats another topic for another day) Alcohol however, putting that on the wellness policy is pure idiocy. Not everyone abuses alcohol, and i've not heard of any current wrestlers with drink problems. The life of a wrestler is demanding physically and mentally, alcohol is a great relaxant and way of unwinding. Ban that and illegal drug use might begin, that or wrestlers just quitting out of stress. If they can't go out and have a drink after the show then you;'re basically saying "You're not having any fun or social itmes, you're a wrestler and nothing more!" Marijuana I can understand and would agree on a legal stance. Alcohol...no. Anyway, I was sure that when Kurt left it was revealed he was offered rehab and declined? I'm sure I hear this story at the time of his departure. No i thought out my statement very well thank you- Wasnt there talk about jeff hardy being removed from a flight because he was still hungover?since the wellness policy came into effect alot more wrestlers are turning to alchol and marijuana because they can no longer take muscle relaxants and painkilers without a prescription-Mr Perfect was a drunk he came to work drunk on a few occasions and if i remember correctly and please feel free to if i am wrong, wrestled drunk..why was that allowed to happen? I am not saying no one should drink but there are a few who go over the top and maybe its best to nip that in the bud before it gets any worse..but that is just my opinion
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Post by Snitsky on May 1, 2009 12:03:18 GMT -5
I didnt disagree with you that he wasnt a drug user i was also saying he probably wasnt the worst but again that is my opinion i was also referring to the comment you made about it being BS the time he had been clean for- IMO again that is all specualtion Sorry but when it comes to your opinion on whether Kurt's the worstdrug user, or people within the WWE, i'm more inclined to side with thos within WWE as they will actually KNOW a lot of non-public-knowledge stuff. Also it isn't speculation- look at how much Angle has shrank since joining TNA. I watched some TNA a couple weeks ago and was amazed at how much smaller he was. If anything's evidence that he was still a heavy drug/steroid (and thus probably painkilers too) user in WWE in 2006, it's that. well sir you are not aware of what i know and you are entitled to believe what you like and i respect that and i agree he has lost alot of weight..but again it is all speculative as to how and why he has done that...but again this is my opinion
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on May 1, 2009 12:03:50 GMT -5
That's got to be one of the most ill-thought out statements i've seen on Wrestlecrap. Marijuana I can understand simply because it's illegal. The health implications are there but the legal issues are more pronounced (and thats another topic for another day) Alcohol however, putting that on the wellness policy is pure idiocy. Not everyone abuses alcohol, and i've not heard of any current wrestlers with drink problems. The life of a wrestler is demanding physically and mentally, alcohol is a great relaxant and way of unwinding. Ban that and illegal drug use might begin, that or wrestlers just quitting out of stress. If they can't go out and have a drink after the show then you;'re basically saying "You're not having any fun or social itmes, you're a wrestler and nothing more!" Marijuana I can understand and would agree on a legal stance. Alcohol...no. Anyway, I was sure that when Kurt left it was revealed he was offered rehab and declined? I'm sure I hear this story at the time of his departure. No i thought out my statement very well thank you- Wasnt there talk about jeff hardy being removed from a flight because he was still hungover?since the wellness policy came into effect alot more wrestlers are turning to alchol and marijuana because they can no longer take muscle relaxants and painkilers without a prescription-Mr Perfect was a drunk he came to work drunk on a few occasions and if i remember correctly and please feel free to if i am wrong, wrestled drunk..why was that allowed to happen? I am not saying no one should drink but there are a few who go over the top and maybe its best to nip that in the bud before it gets any worse..but that is just my opinion No, it was poorly htought out because you didn't consider the ramifications I mentioned. The "Jeff is hungover" stuff was never proven and was much mroe speculation than "Angle wasnt clean." Jeff being hung over was all according to just one or two people, who only saw him taken off the plane and didnt know why. I've heard reports that it was nothing to do with alcohol. Yes, some have used alcohol irresponsibly. And the way to nip that in the bud is to...GASP.....get them to rehab. Not put alcohol on the Wellness Policy. Because as I said- that not only makes it harder for wrestlers to unwind, but makes them more likely to turn to illegal drugs. You mentioned Perfect, Mr Perfect was a drug user too, cocaine. The vast majority of wrestlers probably don't abuse alcohol. But cut out any alcohol consumption on the grounds that they MIGHT possibly develop a problem, even if there is nothing to suggest that, is a breeding ground for hard drug issues.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on May 1, 2009 12:06:03 GMT -5
Sorry but when it comes to your opinion on whether Kurt's the worstdrug user, or people within the WWE, i'm more inclined to side with thos within WWE as they will actually KNOW a lot of non-public-knowledge stuff. Also it isn't speculation- look at how much Angle has shrank since joining TNA. I watched some TNA a couple weeks ago and was amazed at how much smaller he was. If anything's evidence that he was still a heavy drug/steroid (and thus probably painkilers too) user in WWE in 2006, it's that. well sir you are not aware of what i know and you are entitled to believe what you like and i respect that and i agree he has lost alot of weight..but again it is all speculative as to how and why he has done that...but again this is my opinion Care to share us "what you know"? As anybody can claim to know anything on a message board, and you've not provided aa single source or example. I don't want to sound rude but honestly, claiming "You dont know what I know" is pointless without backing it up. And please do provide another reason as to how he lost that weight. He's clearly still working out as he's still muscled, but is just a lot lighter. I'd be interested to hear your explanation on how he's done it.
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Post by Snitsky on May 1, 2009 12:08:37 GMT -5
No i thought out my statement very well thank you- Wasnt there talk about jeff hardy being removed from a flight because he was still hungover?since the wellness policy came into effect alot more wrestlers are turning to alchol and marijuana because they can no longer take muscle relaxants and painkilers without a prescription-Mr Perfect was a drunk he came to work drunk on a few occasions and if i remember correctly and please feel free to if i am wrong, wrestled drunk..why was that allowed to happen? I am not saying no one should drink but there are a few who go over the top and maybe its best to nip that in the bud before it gets any worse..but that is just my opinion No, it was poorly htought out because you didn't consider the ramifications I mentioned. The "Jeff is hungover" stuff was never proven and was much mroe speculation than "Angle wasnt clean." Jeff being hung over was all according to just one or two people, who only saw him taken off the plane and didnt know why. I've heard reports that it was nothing to do with alcohol. Yes, some have used alcohol irresponsibly. And the way to nip that in the bud is to...GASP.....get them to rehab. Not put alcohol on the Wellness Policy. Because as I said- that not only makes it harder for wrestlers to unwind, but makes them more likely to turn to illegal drugs. You mentioned Perfect, Mr Perfect was a drug user too, cocaine. The vast majority of wrestlers probably don't abuse alcohol. But cut out any alcohol consumption on the grounds that they MIGHT possibly develop a problem, even if there is nothing to suggest that, is a breeding ground for hard drug issues. I understand your point, i didnt say they shouldnt "unwind" but there should be limitations if WWE want to clean up the locker room and show concern for their wrestlers my opinion still stands- blood alcohol levels and marijuana should be added to the wellness policy testing
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Post by Snitsky on May 1, 2009 12:10:21 GMT -5
well sir you are not aware of what i know and you are entitled to believe what you like and i respect that and i agree he has lost alot of weight..but again it is all speculative as to how and why he has done that...but again this is my opinion Care to share us "what you know"? As anybody can claim to know anything on a message board, and you've not provided aa single source or example. I don't want to sound rude but honestly, claiming "You dont know what I know" is pointless without backing it up. And please do provide another reason as to how he lost that weight. He's clearly still working out as he's still muscled, but is just a lot lighter. I'd be interested to hear your explanation on how he's done it. not really no- i can claim what i like again i am not asking anyone to believe me ps- I am not trying to come across as condescending or anything like that so please no one take offense
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