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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2009 19:13:35 GMT -5
IMO he passed the torch to bret, so I don't what other match he want Bret passed the torch to Bret? i thought Bret screwed Bret
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on May 8, 2009 19:15:45 GMT -5
Bret passed the torch to Bret? i thought Bret screwed Bret Bret screwed Bret while giving himself the torch.
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Post by Beans on May 8, 2009 19:51:04 GMT -5
i thought Bret screwed Bret Bret screwed Bret while giving himself the torch. Maybe he screwed himself with the torch
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Post by Aceorton on May 8, 2009 19:51:26 GMT -5
I'd like to know what Bret's answer would have been if asked "Do wrestlers need a union" in 1994 when he was the "company guy". If Bret feels strongly enough about the issue, there were times he had enough influence on McMahon to make it happen. He did nothing. People shoot others down in flames for shooting the idea down in flames or for being the "company guy" like Cena, but when you're arguably the most influencial figure in the company for five years and you don't pipe up in favour then, it's advisable to keep your mouth shut when it comes to criticising others for doing the same. Let's read this again and focus on the part where Bret, while believing that wrestlers do need a union, is nonetheless empathizing with Cena, having been in Cena's awkward position: On John Cena being a company guy: “When Chris Benoit died he was on Larry King and somebody asked him if wrestlers need a union – and he shot that down and said ‘ no ‘ . “The truth is only an idiot would say wrestlers don’t need a union, because we do!
“But it is hard not to take that company position and be a company guy when you’re on the team later. I was in his shoes and you try and do the best you can. “As far as his career and how they’re using him – he’s better off working with them and doing everything the way he’s doing it.”[/b]
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on May 8, 2009 19:53:47 GMT -5
Bret screwed Bret while giving himself the torch. Maybe he screwed himself with the torch Bret likes having a burning sensation.
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Post by Maniac Mitch on May 8, 2009 20:58:29 GMT -5
Given your username, I'm just going to assume you're being biased against Bret. He's more than fine financially and never was known for being into all the drugs and promiscuity on the road, so that comment just comes completely out of left field. Bret is saying they need a union for the current generation of young stars to protect them and to give them a better future than the stars of previous generations. He's not looking to get anything out of it for himself. Yes I'm not a Bret fan but, if Shawn had said this I still wouldn't like it. Also these youngs don't need a union because most of them are probably saving money and learning from the past. There's more to a union then just money. Test was fired four months into his recovery after breaking his neck in a WWE ring. As it stands, if a wrestler gets hurt in Vince's ring, Vince can excercise his right to fire them due to the independent contractor status of wrestlers. That's the kind of thing unionizing would protect against. To go off on a tangent for a bit. What kind of message does stuff like that send to the talent? "Don't get hurt or your ass is fired(Test). Don't take time off or you'll lose your spot(Jeff Hardy). Oh, and if you get caught using anything, you'll be made a very public example of(too many to name)." So basically, if you want to stay employed, you can't get hurt, can't take a break(unless your Undertaker...then they'll just resurrect you later) or take anything to help with the pain. For the 95 percent of the roster that will never sniff a main event, that basically means you can be fired at any time over anything. Yeah, Mr. Kennedy didn't pay for his surgeries or get fired when he got hurt, because they had plans for him. But did that make anyone else with similar injuries any less hurt? Unfortunately, unionizing would require cooperation, and since wrestlers are (generally speaking) notorious backstabbers, liars, and carneys I guess we'll just end up listening to them bemoaning the fact that their friends are all dying, but none of them actually doing anything about it.
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Post by Sonic...SonicTruth on May 8, 2009 21:48:29 GMT -5
Jake Roberts passed the torch to Undertaker.
And if what Bret did with Austin wasn't "Passing the Torch", then I don't know what is.
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Post by mauled on May 9, 2009 3:55:25 GMT -5
Bret did drugs he specially in his early years he admits it in his book where he Piper/Shiek/Niedahrt and co would just snort a giant moutain of coke in a hotel room. He did roids to get noticed too. One of the most graphic bits is him and Dynamite sticking roids up each others asses in the shower. But by the time he was champion he didnt need them and was off while he says he then stayed away from the drugs at the time which got him the nickname the lone wolf. On looking back it probably saved his life or at least didnt leave him broke in rehab.
As for the Union thing I have seen other interviews where he has mentioned this and talks about how even Mimes have Unions so why cant wrestlers??
He has also said the only real time they could have got one is in the 80's and if Hogan got behind it simply cause Vince couldnt afford to fire him and it would have been the best chance.
He hasnt mentioned it but I wonder if he thinks the same position could have got about in the late 90's with Austina and the Rock
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Post by shamana on May 9, 2009 4:59:17 GMT -5
And if what Bret did with Austin wasn't "Passing the Torch", then I don't know what is. Well, it's not quite passing the torch as Bret still stayed around. However, you are kinda right - Bret gave Austin an incredible boost.
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Post by Beans on May 9, 2009 7:30:17 GMT -5
And if what Bret did with Austin wasn't "Passing the Torch", then I don't know what is. What? Are you kidding me? Is that Bret's idea of "passing the torch" ? REALLY? Oh how gracious of you Bret to allow someone to let you put the sharpshooter on them to finish the match. Really? That's.....I mean.....wow..I mean.........really, wow. Imagine if Hogan one day said to McMahon "Hey little dude, I really like the look of this kid, I tell you what let's pass the torch to him, I'll drop the leg and we can play it where he doesn't die or get knocked unconscious by the awesome power of the atomic leg drop". Would we then be talking in years to come about how gracious Hogan was in that incident and speak of it as a 'passing of the torch' moment? You pass the torch, you lay down in the middle of the ring or you tap-out/submit. Really if that's Bret's "passing of the torch" moment, he has ego problems.
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Post by Bo Rida on May 9, 2009 7:46:53 GMT -5
Is there another link to the interview? It isnt working for me. It's on a podcast called "Wrestlecast", there's some other good interviews on there too. The highlight of the interview was the guy asking about working with the Killer Bees and Bret laughing as he didn't expect to ever be asked about them.
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Post by The OP on May 9, 2009 10:22:27 GMT -5
And if what Bret did with Austin wasn't "Passing the Torch", then I don't know what is. What? Are you kidding me? Is that Bret's idea of "passing the torch" ? REALLY? Oh how gracious of you Bret to allow someone to let you put the sharpshooter on them to finish the match. Really? That's.....I mean.....wow..I mean.........really, wow. Imagine if Hogan one day said to McMahon "Hey little dude, I really like the look of this kid, I tell you what let's pass the torch to him, I'll drop the leg and we can play it where he doesn't die or get knocked unconscious by the awesome power of the atomic leg drop". Would we then be talking in years to come about how gracious Hogan was in that incident and speak of it as a 'passing of the torch' moment? You pass the torch, you lay down in the middle of the ring or you tap-out/submit. Really if that's Bret's "passing of the torch" moment, he has ego problems. You didn't read the post did you? This is the second time you've posted a comment indicating as much. Bret says he wishes he could've had a pass the torch moment with Austin. In the future it might be a good idea to read the post before commenting. Twice. I know it's frustrating that a lot of people like Bret Hart more than you do, but try to stay with us here.
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Post by Dr. Marlowe on May 9, 2009 10:25:10 GMT -5
Jesus, Austin WAS f***ING MADE IN THAT WM13 MATCH
The moment of Austin passing out while bleeding F'N MADE HIM AND IS A LEGENDARY MOMENT NOW
Are you that anti-Bret that you can't see that?
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Post by Beans on May 9, 2009 10:29:50 GMT -5
Jesus, Austin WAS snorkING MADE IN THAT WM13 MATCH The moment of Austin passing out while bleeding F'N MADE HIM AND IS A LEGENDARY MOMENT NOW Are you that anti-Bret that you can't see that? I'm afraid so. It's a lame passing of the torch moment. IT may have got Austin over but it wasn't Bret getting him over, it wa Austin getting himself over. Bret came out of it the same as before. To pass the torch you've got to give something up. In that match, Bret gave nothing up. Besides the whole thing is over-hyped anyway, Austin grabbed his own torch at the KOTR a few months earlier.
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Post by Dr. Marlowe on May 9, 2009 10:32:16 GMT -5
Bret came out of that match as a heel. It had been building up for weeks, but that was the double turn.
Bret passed the torch that night. Maybe he didn't lose, but that was the moment Austin really became a superstar.......you could say that Bret gave up his "babyfaceness" if you want to get technical, because apparently there's only one way to "pass the torch".
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Post by BxB on May 9, 2009 10:43:33 GMT -5
You keep forgetting that Austin beat Bret the next night on Raw, and put him on a wheelchair. The whole feud made Austin look so much more credible.
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Post by wildojinx on May 9, 2009 10:58:02 GMT -5
What about Flair/Sting from 1988? Flair won but that match turned Sting from just a mid-card UWF transplant into a superstar. You dont always have to lose to pass the torch.
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Post by Crazy Diamond on May 9, 2009 12:00:39 GMT -5
I'd like to know what Bret's answer would have been if asked "Do wrestlers need a union" in 1994 when he was the "company guy". If Bret feels strongly enough about the issue, there were times he had enough influence on McMahon to make it happen. He did nothing. People shoot others down in flames for shooting the idea down in flames or for being the "company guy" like Cena, but when you're arguably the most influencial figure in the company for five years and you don't pipe up in favour then, it's advisable to keep your mouth shut when it comes to criticising others for doing the same. Yeah, I know someone said you should re-read that whole part, but in his book he mentions that he tried to get a union started but no one supported it except for Hawk, Animal, and one other guy.
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Post by Joekishi on May 9, 2009 13:04:03 GMT -5
Given your username, I'm just going to assume you're being biased against Bret. He's more than fine financially and never was known for being into all the drugs and promiscuity on the road, so that comment just comes completely out of left field. Bret is saying they need a union for the current generation of young stars to protect them and to give them a better future than the stars of previous generations. He's not looking to get anything out of it for himself. Bret admits in his book to cheating on his wife for years, but he also says he did that to keep himself away from drugs. He also admits to using steroids and using cocaine and pill popping. "Steroids saved my career" According to his shoot and the Nasty Boys, he was a huge coke head.
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on May 9, 2009 14:36:13 GMT -5
Aside from the possiblity that, you know, 51% of the WWE Locker room could be satisfied with their current labor situation, the Union issue is the same it's always been; any attempt at collective bargining relies on participation from Main eventers, who have no incentive to do so.
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