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Post by Azrael from Outerspace on Jun 12, 2009 4:00:27 GMT -5
I love me some ECW and it's must watch for me. Kidd and Bourne make it that way because smaller wrestlers getting shine makes me happy. Also Christian, Dreamer and Swagger are great selling points.
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Post by Larryhausen on Jun 12, 2009 4:31:21 GMT -5
I"m not gonna go into new vs. old, because I was THERE for the old, and nothing will top it.
But ECW is a great show. And Matt Striker is currently my favorite commentator in the business.
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Post by Red 'n' Black Reggie on Jun 12, 2009 4:40:55 GMT -5
ECW is great. you're guaranteed at least one really good match a week, usually two. usually when bookers go out of their way to make a "pure wrestling" show, the storylines tend to suffer, but with ECW they actually manage to effectively get across emotion and interest.
and BTW, i love what happens on a yearly basis, where in the draft ECW gets raided of all it's stars, only to have them replaced with verterans the other brands have jobbed out (like helms) and new stars who got taken off air (like DH smith), then ECW makes them into stars over the course of the year, only for the draft to come around, and ECW having to rebuild all these people up again. it must suck to be booking the show knowing that the only reason you're getting these people over is so they can be hidden in the raw midcard, but either way ECW rules.
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Post by cmpaul31 on Jun 12, 2009 4:41:17 GMT -5
I don't know if this is a WWE problem generally since I don't watch much Raw/Smackdown these days, but tuning in for the first time in a while the other night, one thing that killed the show for me was the crowd being really dead. I wish they'd do ECW-only tapings, maybe a TNA-style block recording deal, as I think most of the fans only attend for Smackdown.
But yeah, they've a solid main event scene in Swagger/Dreamer/Christian, and the Hart Dynasty and Bourne are exciting acts just below that level. They've also made Henry and Kozlov just about tolerable. Good commentary too. I just wish they'd have a few more Extreme Rules matches so as to give the brand a bit of an 'extreme' identity in comparison to the other two. I also wouldn't mind a few more guest appearances from guys who were previously in ECW, old or new (Punk, Rey, Morrison, Jericho), just so long as their air time benefits the current ECW roster.
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Post by Janitor From Mars on Jun 12, 2009 4:43:19 GMT -5
I still say the new ECW is better than old ECW. For me old ECW had some great talent and matches. Raven/Dreamer is one of the best fueds ever IMO. But there was always a ton of garbage wrestling and a lot of hacks IMO. New ECW has been consistently good to great for the last 18 months Define "garbage wrestling" because I constantly hear this as one of the complaints about the old ECW. RVD/Jerry Lynn, Malenko, Benoit, Guerrero, Mysterio, Lance Storm and Steve Corino all beg to differ. The new ECW will never touch what the original accomplished. It can however be more than just a "C" show and it's not as bad.
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Post by mainsupreme on Jun 12, 2009 5:09:31 GMT -5
absolutely love it. The chemistry between Dreamer/Christian/Swagger is great, fnlay is badass again and the hart foundation has a great theme song
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Post by mrjl on Jun 12, 2009 6:18:42 GMT -5
I like the 2 matches they have every week but ECW just kinda seems like a nonstop recap of all the things I shook my head at on raw the night before really? I don't have that problem at all. I mean I usually see one recap. But then I also usually expect at least three matches, not two.
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Post by mrjl on Jun 12, 2009 6:26:17 GMT -5
I still say the new ECW is better than old ECW. For me old ECW had some great talent and matches. Raven/Dreamer is one of the best fueds ever IMO. But there was always a ton of garbage wrestling and a lot of hacks IMO. New ECW has been consistently good to great for the last 18 months Define "garbage wrestling" because I constantly hear this as one of the complaints about the old ECW. RVD/Jerry Lynn, Malenko, Benoit, Guerrero, Mysterio, Lance Storm and Steve Corino all beg to differ. The new ECW will never touch what the original accomplished. It can however be more than just a "C" show and it's not as bad. See, everyone talks about those guys when defending ECW. But except for Corino those guys weren't there at the end. Heyman never cut loose any of his grabage wrestlers to try to keep them. Dreamer, Sandman, Balls Mahoney and the Dudleyz being to primary examples. I've seen what guys like Taz and Bigelow did in ECW. THey didn't need weapons for their matches with their skill but they still went and got them.
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Post by playoldgames on Jun 12, 2009 6:26:58 GMT -5
and BTW, i love what happens on a yearly basis, where in the draft ECW gets raided of all it's stars, only to have them replaced with verterans the other brands have jobbed out (like helms) and new stars who got taken off air (like DH smith), then ECW makes them into stars over the course of the year, only for the draft to come around, and ECW having to rebuild all these people up again. And people say the new ECW is nothing like the old ECW...
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Post by Bo Rida on Jun 12, 2009 7:00:51 GMT -5
and BTW, i love what happens on a yearly basis, where in the draft ECW gets raided of all it's stars, only to have them replaced with verterans the other brands have jobbed out (like helms) and new stars who got taken off air (like DH smith), then ECW makes them into stars over the course of the year, only for the draft to come around, and ECW having to rebuild all these people up again. it must suck to be booking the show knowing that the only reason you're getting these people over is so they can be hidden in the raw midcard, but either way ECW rules. However in a strange way it benefits the brand by keeping the show fresh, one of the common complaints about Raw is it's stagnant main-event.
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Post by Arthur Digby Stamp on Jun 12, 2009 7:06:45 GMT -5
Define "garbage wrestling" because I constantly hear this as one of the complaints about the old ECW. RVD/Jerry Lynn, Malenko, Benoit, Guerrero, Mysterio, Lance Storm and Steve Corino all beg to differ. The new ECW will never touch what the original accomplished. It can however be more than just a "C" show and it's not as bad. See, everyone talks about those guys when defending ECW. But except for Corino those guys weren't there at the end. Heyman never cut loose any of his grabage wrestlers to try to keep them. Dreamer, Sandman, Balls Mahoney and the Dudleyz being to primary examples. I've seen what guys like Taz and Bigelow did in ECW. THey didn't need weapons for their matches with their skill but they still went and got them. RVD and Jerry Lynn were there at the end. They wrestled in the main event of ECW's final pay per view. And in regards to getting rid of some of the "garbage wrestlers" to make some room money-wise, ECW couldn't (especially in that time) keep up with the salaries that WCW was paying out even if they wanted to, regardless of who they decided to fire. Additionally, if you're going out of your way to pay these guys big money contracts, the rest of your locker room is going to be expecting similar treatment. And that's just speaking from the financial side of it, and ignoring how many people you'd piss off by firing some of the most over guys in your company.
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Jun 12, 2009 9:06:45 GMT -5
Everyone is welcome to their opinion. As am I. I don't agree. Can't touch Smackdown for actually entertaining matches. Better than RAW right now because it's only an hour that you have to suffer through. I can't go with awesome. Palatable. Sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2009 9:20:31 GMT -5
ECW: This is like watching the old Monday Night Raw, with the one-hour format, and the 3 matches.
One mid-card match like Evan Bourne vs. Mark Henry. One scrub match to get somebody over (Kozlov or Zack Ryder). Main event quality match like the six-man a couple of weeks ago.
I can do without the Raw Rebound. If I cared enough about Raw, I would have watched it. If I didn't care about Raw to watch it, I don't care what happened. Have a SmackDown Rebound instead.
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Post by mysterydriver on Jun 13, 2009 12:33:43 GMT -5
The Raw Rebound was around 5 minutes long last week. That's ridiculous.
But, I agree. ECW is a great go-to show for wrestling and a glimpse into the future of the WWE.
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Post by aido67 on Jun 13, 2009 12:44:08 GMT -5
It needs the extra hour, that in my opinion, is why it hasn't lived up.
Film Superstars after Raw, and then use that hour for an extra hour of ECW.
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Post by dimera on Jun 13, 2009 16:56:21 GMT -5
LOL@ECW having more wrestling on their show than either Raw or Impact. Literally.
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Jun 13, 2009 18:16:40 GMT -5
ECW is a great show that I like a lot. The only problem is the show's name. If it was just another wrestling brand in WWE then it'd be fine, but they're using the name of a dead promotion to do something that barely resembles it. Some of the principles are there, but yeah that's my only qualm with it. If it wasn't called ECW I'd love it even more.
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Jun 13, 2009 18:58:21 GMT -5
I"m not gonna go into new vs. old, because I was THERE for the old, and nothing will top it. This.....the original ECW was something that will probably never occur again. The new ECW is a decent developmental show, but that's all it really is. It's WCW Saturday Night, Post NITRO and THUNDER being on the air. It might have some good wrestling and commentary, but the fact is that it is basically used to prepare the stars of tomorrow for the "A Shows." One could argue that the original ECW was that as well, but at least it had its own identity.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jun 13, 2009 19:38:37 GMT -5
New ECW has been consistently good to great for the last 18 months I disagree, I'd say it's been good to great for the past 3 years. Even during Lashley's run you had New Breed vs Originals. If only they could book Raw as consistent as ECW.
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Post by Beast Army Ass on Jun 13, 2009 20:28:18 GMT -5
The Raw Rebound was around 5 minutes long last week. That's ridiculous. But, I agree. ECW is a great go-to show for wrestling and a glimpse into the future of the WWE. Apparently you don't stick with ECW. I remember recently where basically the ENTIRE middle of the show was video recaps or video packages. Thankfully, they ended that trend a few weeks back. When WWE matches get the time they deserve, they're very entertaining. Luckily, ECW does that pretty much week in, week out.
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