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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jun 24, 2009 0:29:45 GMT -5
For some reason I still don't hate him. I can't watch any of his matches or anything, and no longer respect him like I once did. I'm not sure why, but I've never moved beyond the feeling of shock that I felt when word first spread about what happened.
The whole thing hit me hard, because this man was one of my idols. He was hard working, and represented people who bust their ass to succeed. And then this, one of the most unspeakable acts known to man. He killed his family, and we learned how f***ed up our hero really was.
People were outraged, people were surprised and people were crushed beyond belief. I felt all those feelings, and have never been able to completely move on. Not sure why, that's just how I am.
And, even 2 years later, the same things keep bothering me the how, and the why of it all. How could this man kill his child, and beautiful wife? How the f*** did this happen? And while it's selfish of me to say how the f*** could you do this to the fans, and business that you loved?
I know this isn't the most "Anti" post, more neutral then anything but I felt this was more appropriate here then in the "Great Worker" thread. If I was wrong, Mod's please let me know and I'll post it in the other thread instead
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Post by salsashark on Jun 24, 2009 0:48:42 GMT -5
I used to love Benoit. The Radicalz are one of my absolute favorite factions of all time and Benoit was a great wrestler. He wasn't a very entertaining promo guy, really, but man, he could have a bunch of great matches.
To me, what's saddest is really thinking about the moment, as in the moment that Benoit snapped and he decided to do what he did. How do you get to that point as a human being and what does it feel like when you realize what you've done? I do not believe the conspiracy theories that it was some kind of hoax or that the cops were lying and I certainly don't believe that anyone but him holds responsibility for his actions. Trying to say otherwise seems to me like denial.
The way all the other two's lives ended was so sad. I feel sorry for poor Woman--someone who I was honestly never really into when I grew up--whose life was just ripped out of her hands. That poor kid, too. If there is indeed an afterlife, I hope they are happy and their souls are right.
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Post by The Charismatic Enabeler on Jun 24, 2009 0:54:34 GMT -5
I remember tearing up during the tribute show. I also remember how angry I felt the next day when I found out I wasted tears on a guy that killed a child.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Jun 24, 2009 2:11:14 GMT -5
I hear he like NEVER screwed the tooth paste cap back on. I hear he never wiped down the gym equipment after use! I'll show myself out.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 24, 2009 2:15:15 GMT -5
I'll admit, I hate him. More than any other wrestler ever.
He committed one of the most heinous acts a human could possibly commit, and yet so many people want to forgive him and love him.
There are so many people who haven't done anything nearly as bad, but get more hate and venom than Benoit ever will.
And I can't accept that.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jun 24, 2009 2:23:31 GMT -5
I'll admit, I hate him. More than any other wrestler ever. He committed one of the most heinous acts a human could possibly commit, and yet so many people want to forgive him and love him. There are so many people who haven't done anything nearly as bad, but get more hate and venom than Benoit ever will. And I can't accept that. See, despite my more neutral opinion stated above, I can definitely understand this more then the "forgive and forget" sort of stance. I've never understood the "Great wrestler, lets ignore the last 3 days" thing.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jun 24, 2009 6:05:49 GMT -5
Chris Benoit used to be my favorite wrestler of all time. That is no longer the case. I take the stance of f*** Benoit. Like has been said if he had committed suicide and not taken anyone with him, that would be different. But the fact he murdered his wife and his son, completely destroys everything he accomplished in the ring. I'm still a fan of Kurt Cobain and George Reeves despite the official cause of death for both of them being suicide, but f*** Benoit.
Those are just my feelings. I can completely understand guys like Dean Malenko, Chris Jericho, William Regal, and Chavo not completely hating him. They worked with the guy for years, and were friends with him.
As for the WWE ban on Benoit, I completely agree with it. There's only one person to blame for the ban. The one guy to blame for him not being put on DVDs, not being mentioned at all, and not even being shown in video packages (namely Orton's first World Title win), and that guy isn't Vince, it's Benoit. I don't see how anyone can put the blame on Vince for the ban, or being mad at him for doing it. The entire blame goes to Chris Benoit, himself.
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Post by The Peoples Elbow on Jun 24, 2009 6:12:57 GMT -5
I refuse to watch any of his matches. What he did was inexcusable.
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Post by Supersmark is a Troll on Jun 24, 2009 6:27:35 GMT -5
I'll admit, I hate him. More than any other wrestler ever. He committed one of the most heinous acts a human could possibly commit, and yet so many people want to forgive him and love him. There are so many people who haven't done anything nearly as bad, but get more hate and venom than Benoit ever will. And I can't accept that. I don't want to forgive him, I don't, however hate his matches. Take Roman Polanski, for example, I may hate him as a person, but you can't deny he made great movies. I should be able to watch his movies without being persecuted for it.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jun 24, 2009 6:44:03 GMT -5
Sometimes I can watch a match he happened to be in just fine, and I get lost in the moment of the matches.
Most of the time however, his murdering face pops up on the screen and it turns me off faster than if I walked in on my grandparents having sex.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Jun 24, 2009 7:19:57 GMT -5
I never liked his matches. I'll never get why people say he was the best. I found his move set boring. Ironically he did a great suicide dive though. Also some of his tights were cool. I hope WWE never acknowledge him again to be honest.
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Post by Marvelously Mediocre on Jun 24, 2009 8:21:37 GMT -5
I can still watch his matches because he has a few great matches which has nothing at all to do with his actiones behind the scenes.
But as a person what he did was unforgiveable and I'm never gonna pretend that didn't happen.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jun 24, 2009 8:41:43 GMT -5
For some reason I still don't hate him. I can't watch any of his matches or anything, and no longer respect him like I once did. I'm not sure why, but I've never moved beyond the feeling of shock that I felt when word first spread about what happened. And, even 2 years later, the same things keep bothering me the how, and the why of it all. How could this man kill his child, and beautiful wife? How the f*** did this happen? And while it's selfish of me to say how the f*** could you do this to the fans, and business that you loved? I know this isn't the most "Anti" post, more neutral then anything but I felt this was more appropriate here then in the "Great Worker" thread. If I was wrong, Mod's please let me know and I'll post it in the other thread instead I'm pretty much the same, I think we need a neutral thread. I don't feel any hate towards him due to his mental state at the end, however I don't think I'll ever be able to watch one of his matches again and I'm glad he's never mentioned on WWE TV. However maybe I don't feel it as much as he was never one of my favourites, although I did like him, especially when he was doing something with Angle, Eddie or Y2J. I'll also move this if it's in the wrong place.
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Post by fixxxer456 on Jun 24, 2009 8:43:57 GMT -5
Steroids took his mind to a place i never want to go. He killed his own family before he killed himself. That is a sick sick person.
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Post by Woooooolhouse! on Jun 24, 2009 10:08:44 GMT -5
I have a toy wrestling ring in my home office. Every time there is a wrestling death- if I own the figure- that man takes his place next to Andre the Giant, Brian Pillman, Curt Hennig, etc.
Somedays Chris Benoit is in there, and somedays I take him out, casually flip him against the wall so that he falls behind the shelf, and hope I'll forget about it. He ruined that innocent part of my life- professional wrestling- my one true link to my childhood and lost dreams, but of course that is insignificant to the horrors he brought upon the lives of his friends and- more importantly- his family. Not just Nancy and Daniel, but his mother, father, and two adult children.
I'll probably flip again in the future- because for young fan in me will sometimes focus on just his ring presence, and long for those days again- but the Benoit ban should never be lifted and- as CGI becomes more prelevant- should be removed from every match that he can be, and replaced with Bob Holly, or a retarded looking Care Bear.
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Post by Melissalicious on Jun 24, 2009 11:29:05 GMT -5
I remember tearing up during the tribute show. I also remember how angry I felt the next day when I found out I wasted tears on a guy that killed a child. Ditto. I wept over his death, and then the next morning, when I read what really went down, I was horrified. At both the situation, and at myself for crying for such a lowlife. Sometimes, I want to believe that he was just an unhealthy man and had a meltdown and it just ... went bad. And then I think, "But he could lie his way out of that show? He could actually plan what he was going to do?" I don't think the kind of 'sickness' he has been said to have had leads to planning your f***ing family's murders. To doing what he did to his little son. Even now, thinking about what poor Daniel must've gone through in his last moments makes me tear up. I mean ... that was his CHILD. How could you do that to your own CHILD? I DO think it's ludicrious to completely and totally omit him from professional wrestling history. The man definitely left his mark, professionally, in the business, and he was involved in so many major moments that it's next to impossible to pretend that he just never existed. However, I do understand and support the WWE's ban on most things Benoit. It's a smart, safe move by the company, and for that they can't be blamed. For those who choose to "forgive and forget" ... I try to understand where they're coming from. I mean, I can avoid mention of the murders and focus solely on his career. But I can't understand meshing the two "identities" of this man. Chris Benoit the wrestler and Chris Benoit the man, I see them as two different people, and that works for me. I can watch his matches and think of him as an exemplary worker in-ring. But not for one moment will I allow myself to think of him, as a PERSON, as anything worthwhile or good.
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Post by 4real on Jun 24, 2009 11:30:56 GMT -5
It was such a horrible time.
I remember so clearly on the Monday night I couldn't sleep I was shaking uncontrollably I couldn't even take any tablets. Bear in mind this is a day before I knew so I took it to mean I was being told something.
I actually heard about it on the radio during the day at work......and when the guy said Chris Benoit I froze.....and then after that well I just wanted to get home, even though I still had 3 hours of my shift left.
This was also a week before I passed my driving test so I had to walk home which took me half an hour but it felt like 5 hours. I had a driving lesson that evening and I was a nervous gibbering wreck I should have never gone. But nobody would understand that I was upset about a wrestler dying.....they never did when Eddie died.
But this.....this was something else. It was all over Sky Sports News, they had reports on Sky News. My favourite wrestler.....a murderer, a coward, a pathetic excuse for a human being.
I now find it very hard to watch his matches, his DVD is buried at the back somewhere, to think somebody that did so much and had so much respect from pretty much every wrestling fan or performer I know would throw it all away like that is just....you couldn't make it up.
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Post by The King of Memphis Tennessee on Jun 24, 2009 11:36:57 GMT -5
His promo skills were decent at best, as long as he were allowed to cut a serious promo. He was the kind of guy who did all his talking in the ring. As a matter of fact, that should've been his promo:
Josh Matthews: So Chris, whats your strategy for tonight's match?
Benoit: Josh, I'm going to do all my talking in the ring. *walks off*
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Jun 24, 2009 11:45:28 GMT -5
I really wish they would just completely remove his matches from the DVDs. I always feel more than a little ill-at-ease about WWE making money from his work whether they advertise him or not. Especially when I'm the one supplying the money.
If you want to watch them, use the internet.
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Post by thefinalride on Jun 24, 2009 12:15:29 GMT -5
I never knew the guy and I never knew anyone he killed so I can still enjoy his matches.
I think committing suicide is pretty terrible but I can easily enjoy The Dark Knight
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