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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Dec 5, 2009 16:50:00 GMT -5
I was all for dragging things out. Heck I sat on my reveal for quite awhile, but we were at a point where it was just the same people posting. Jazzman's reveal was interesting but didn't really draw any lurkers out to defend or accuse him. I was surprised honestly how fast the thread got responses after my reveal, which means people are watching at least. But, keeping Jazz alive is pointless, IMO. I doubt we were going to get a counter-claim heck that's why your requesting to keep him alive struck everyone as scummy. And the worst part is you played the Jag defense afterwards? That's worse then my attempt to play the D2 defense when I was trying to give people a reason to vote for me.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Dec 5, 2009 17:06:16 GMT -5
I was all for dragging things out. Heck I sat on my reveal for quite awhile, but we were at a point where it was just the same people posting. Jazzman's reveal was interesting but didn't really draw any lurkers out to defend or accuse him. I was surprised honestly how fast the thread got responses after my reveal, which means people are watching at least. But, keeping Jazz alive is pointless, IMO. I doubt we were going to get a counter-claim heck that's why your requesting to keep him alive struck everyone as scummy. And the worst part is you played the Jag defense afterwards? That's worse then my attempt to play the D2 defense when I was trying to give people a reason to vote for me. The Jag defense? I don't understand what that means. And I didn't request to keep Jazz alive -- it was an idea that struck me and I wanted conversation regarding it. And I didn't get conversation, I got everyone running at me with the lynch mentality. I should have just been like Ravishing, Deadpool, and the like, and not posted thoughts in the game, I think.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Dec 5, 2009 17:11:23 GMT -5
Ya know i'm really beginning to hate how so many people have since adopted the Jagilki defense (c). It screams scum to me. Seeing as how Jag disappeared once D2 v1.0 got lynched and has been pretty much forgotten now everyone under fire is stealing his bit and, worst of all, IT KEEPS WORKING!!! Hey I am all for conversation,but the only conversation you laid the seeds for was whether letting Jazz live or not was a viable idea. It may be awhile till we get our write up what other avenues would you like explored?
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Post by psychotix5000 on Dec 5, 2009 17:56:50 GMT -5
The Jagilki Defense (c) is when a player offers to be a martyr and asks to be lynched "for the good of the town" which, in this game, has led to potential lynchers backing off out of fear of a) lynching a townie by mistake or b) lynching a jester causing the town to lose. In every instance the Jagilki Defense (c) was used the player using it escaped lynch and was usually forgotten about or not questioned as possible mafia.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Dec 5, 2009 18:09:54 GMT -5
It is at its essence a version of the "investigate me" defense. It sounds incredibly altruistic and is hard to question, but like "investigate me" it can not be proven with out changing the way the game would normally go down.
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Post by psychotix5000 on Dec 5, 2009 18:11:34 GMT -5
EBWOP you were suggesting that we lynch jazzman on Day 3 or Day 4. Sounds like u wanted your scum buddy to stick around.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Dec 5, 2009 18:13:26 GMT -5
EBWOP When I was trying to garner votes to myself to draw people out I used it after I played the scummy-sounding D2 defense of "hang me and lose". I thought for sure it would fail and make more people question that line and maybe get more people to feel I was a safe vote and draw out more of the drop into vote posters, but I think it lead to me getting unvotes.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Dec 5, 2009 18:30:33 GMT -5
EBWOP you were suggesting that we lynch jazzman on Day 3 or Day 4. Sounds like u wanted your scum buddy to stick around. No, I threw it out there as another idea. It made sense to me that since we've captured one scummy person, why not use the additional time to investigate further. We KNOW he is a bad character in the game, might be useful to see if we can go back and discuss who he was aligning with or who he was being nonchalant about. Also, since he would have his head on a platter, the next night killing and lynch would tell us more about who is potential scum. And why is that? Because then we could gauge reaction and the scum might slip on some things. Honestly, just spitballing here, but if it came down to one of the last nights, and all we have is Jazzman (who we KNOW is scum) and a few other players, wouldn't it be easier to win out in the end? I do have to be honest though; my theory didn't take into account Jazzman having a potential power role.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Dec 5, 2009 19:11:54 GMT -5
We can still go back through his posts and see what there is to learn. Him being dead won't prevent us from doing that.
Like I've said, I kinda get what you're trying to say. Rather than killing Jazzman, since we already know he's Mafia, we could focus on trying to find the others first. But, like I also said, I disagree with that. Jazzman's confirmed Mafia; he might even have a power role. Best to kill him, rather than lynching someone else, particularly since we could end up lynching another Townie if we lynched someone else. With Jazzman, at least, we can be 100% sure we're lynching Mafia, and in the next Day Phase we should have even more info to go by when looking for other Mafia members.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Dec 5, 2009 20:12:12 GMT -5
EBWOP you were suggesting that we lynch jazzman on Day 3 or Day 4. Sounds like u wanted your scum buddy to stick around. No, I threw it out there as another idea. It made sense to me that since we've captured one scummy person, why not use the additional time to investigate further. We KNOW he is a bad character in the game, might be useful to see if we can go back and discuss who he was aligning with or who he was being nonchalant about. Also, since he would have his head on a platter, the next night killing and lynch would tell us more about who is potential scum. And why is that? Because then we could gauge reaction and the scum might slip on some things. Honestly, just spitballing here, but if it came down to one of the last nights, and all we have is Jazzman (who we KNOW is scum) and a few other players, wouldn't it be easier to win out in the end? I do have to be honest though; my theory didn't take into account Jazzman having a potential power role. Except for one other thing besides the chance of power-role. We are getting mafia apparently at lynch. Tonight the other mafia and serial killer will kill again. If we lynched a townie even one who is not helping out much we lower the pool of possible candidates for the power roles we do have left to hide amongst.
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Dec 5, 2009 23:47:59 GMT -5
Sorry, again for the delay, guys. I am working on the write up, but I also have to go to a family party right now. But I promise the write-up will be posted by this evening. I'm trying to give quality write-ups, so that's why I take a while.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Dec 6, 2009 5:19:05 GMT -5
No problem. Maybe we can still hear from Ravishing, Deadpool, or jag yet.
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Dec 6, 2009 9:47:38 GMT -5
(Showdown with Cato, at the 74th Annual Hunger Games.) The Quarter Quell Every Quarter of a Century, the Nation of Panem, would have a unique twist on the Hunger Games. These would be huge, game changing and shocking revelations, that can have a huge effect on everyone. For example the past 75th Hunger Game, with the former winners twist, caused many past winner to go against the government that helped make them quasi-celebrities in the first place.
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One week after the death of District Leader Haymitch, the tributes and many citizens of the Capitol were gathered at the Stadium/Arena for Day 2 of the Hunger Games. Although for the Rebels, things were very glum for them, as two other Rebel leaders; Plutarch Heavensbee, and Finnick Odair were killed the past week.
Katniss Everdeen was with friend Gale Hawthorne, as they were on their way from their dressing rooms to the stage, each carrying their bags with them - just in case.
"You are lucky to leave us that night Gale, I saw Plutarch get killed right in front of me, and when I got back to the hotel to rest a bit, I just about lost it after seeing the huge crowd of mourners, crowding around the hotel, while the Healers, carried Finnick's body bag away..." Her voice drifted off, as images of the blood dyed pool water flashed back into her mind.
Finnick was one of the most likable guys she had ever met and saved her life and Peeta's life, many times in the last Game. His loss, was especially a huge hit on the District Rebellion Morale, and to many other fans and followers of the Panem Idol.
"By the way, what did you find when you went off on your own that night?" Katniss asked.
"Nothing much, it was a false alarm." Gale whispered as he fiddled with his binoculars. They were on their way to the stage now.
The Stadium was in uproar. The audience were on the edge of rioting after the events of the past week.
President Snow Stood at the Podium to address the Crowd.
"Citizens of the Capitol of Panem, I need everyone to stop talking as we need to give on camera notice to everyone about the horrible events which have taken place over the past week." The audience quieted down a bit as Snow motioned for the Peace Keepers to lower their Firearms.
"As you all know, and if not, we are sad to inform you that both, Plutarch Heavensbee, and Finnick Odair have been killed in cold blood." Feminine sobs erupted from the audience.
"It also appears that the body count has been on the rise, as it appears that random citizens have been found dead all around the Capitol. It looks to be that, I need to give a red alert, about a sadistic madman, on a killing rampage. Just to let the citizens know that we your government are in your best interest, I have ordered for more Peacekeepers to keep a watchful eye on the city, and I promise, we will have the this sick individual put to justice!" Applause and cheering flowed from the crowd.
Great... they took the bait, exactly as he thought. It was worth the small amount of citizens he had killed, in order to win over the majority of the audience. This psychopath, was the perfect scapegoat! Snow took his seat as the game went underway.
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Things went underway, as usual, back and forth debating by both sides.
"Wait!" Stood one of the rebels. "Since I have this information, I might as well share it." Beetee Volts took center stage as all eyes were on him.
"The talk of a killer, has really dampened thoughts around here, and I would like to put the attention back in this game, especially on the negative side of your government, under President Snow." Beetee, pushed his glasses up, and stood his ground confidently, as all those aligned with the Capitol's Government, stared holes through him, urging him to sit back down.
"I took a brief stroll around this beautiful city, when I came across something quite peculiar. I past by the secret technological Government building, as technology is sort of my thing, and I using, my friend Wiress's glasses, may she rest in peace, I saw through the building."
"This is simply ridiculous, glasses that can see through buildings? Do you really want to listen to this joke of a man? Is this what the Districts have to represent them, crazy people? It's just too laughable!" The audience started laughing along with their President.
"Well then, tell me why I know that your scientist, were rebuilding a thought to be killed dangerous career tribute, in Cato?" Shivers ran up Kat's spine, first Clover now Cato.
"What were you planning, when they decided to enhance his, already deadly capabilities? Surely it wouldn't be to use him as a weapon to destroy the two he was close to killing in the Games two years ago in Katniss and Peeta, who happen to be major figure heads of the Rebellion? Or am I looking to far into this?"
"These accusations are preposterous!" Snow exclaimed.
"Is that so? Then why is Cato, standing right there on the side of the stage, dressed as a peacekeeper?" Beetee pointed out to a tall peacekeeper.
"This... This is just a coincidence, the two are only similar looking."
"Prove it then, bring him on stage and let him show his face!" The audience began whispering amongst each other and seconded this proposal.
The peacekeeper, was led to the center stage, as the camera's closed up to his face. The Peacekeeper removed the Uniform, to reveal his identity: The monstrous boy from District 2, Cato.
"Hah, yes good guess, yes I am Cato, but I'm more powerful then ever thanks to the Capitol!" Snow Facepalmed himself.
"There is nothing you can do to stop me from getting my revenge on those two pre-emptive winners. I was never killed, so that past Hunger Games hasn't ended yet, and I demand we end this fair in square, right here in front of the whole Nation!" He says, as he pulls out his broad sword, pointing it at his two Nemesis's.
The Rebels and audience members got off their chairs onto their feet as they fled, while Peeta and Katniss stand ground.
"Relax, cadet you are making the Capitol look bad!" Ordered Head Peacekeeper, Romulus Thread to no avail. Clover dressed as a Government official looked on with worry.
Cato grinned, as he swung his sword towards the two, as they quickly evaded, his sword crashing into the chairs, and destroying the set. Peeta yelled a war like cry as he flung chairs at his attacker, each with no use, so he ran with a chair, smashing it into the sword, locking it still. But Cato was too quick, and kicked him a distance almost causing Peeta to fall off stage.
Katniss shot an arrow at Cato, catching his attention, as he turned and ran towards Katniss. A rope appeared and lassoed the sword, away from his hands, into Gale's hands. Another Rebel had her axe ready to block Cato's way.
Cato looked around, as he noticed he was surrounded by several District Rebels. Trapped.
Then he noticed, Peeta still laying down on the side of the stage and snagged him, putting him into a headlock. If the Rebels were to do anything stupid, he would make sure to snap the boy's neck.
"Well now, ha, doesn't this look familiar?" Cato snickers at Katniss.
"What? aren't you going to shoot your arrow at my hand, like you did last time, toots? Cause go ahead and try it, I'll be ready."
Katniss was iffy, but did it, anyway. She shot an arrow accurately towards Cato's hand, but Cato, like some kind of superhuman, caught it in his hand. This however, gave Peeta a chance to grab the dagger from his pocket, which he used to stab into Cato's other hand.
"AHHH! Not again!" he screams.
"I'm sorry Cato, but you are too dangerous. I am doing this in my City's best interest, when I side with the audience's vote to have you lynched." With that Snow turns his hand into a thumbs down.
Gunshots start ringing from the surrounding Peacekeepers. Falling Cato to the ground.
With a look of betrayal in his eyes, Cato concede's defeat. Mouthing the words "please" as Katniss lets an arrow sail into Cato's neck for a mercy kill.
The audience who were still in the stadium broke into a sudden applause, and cheering. Among them, Enobaria sat comfortably enjoying the show... Dead: Jazzman aka Cato, Capitol Scum Enforcer, Mafia Hitman.Tributes Still Alive: 1. Gunslinger2. Scruffy3. Jagiliki4. D-lirious-25. Sweet n' Sour6. Ravishing One has returned!7. Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan8. Jonathan Michaels: VP Of Chaos11. Ritt13. Latino Meat14. Al Bundy15. Oblivion Sorceress16. Deadpool17. Pegasus Warrior19. Crudulak20. Michael HaydenDead Tributes: D-lirious-2 aka Haymitch Abernathy, District Rebellion Leader, the Mason Recruiter (Lynched Day 1; fell off stage and broke his neck) Tfmcmg aka Plutarch Heavensbee, District Rebel. (Killed Night 1; stabbed & throat slashed) Oblivion Sorceress aka Finnick Odair, District Rebellion, Roleblocker. (Killed Night 1; impaled + blood loss) Jazzman aka Cato, Capitol Scum Enforcer, Mafia Hitman. (Lynched Day 2; gunned down with arrow through the neck) GM Message: Congratulations all who have made it this far, a quarter into the game. Night Phase 2 will begin when I announce it in the thread, a while later. Until then, posting is still allowed, until I officially announce the beginning of the night phase. Right now, is the Twilight phase of the game.
Keep in mind what you plan to do if you have a night action.
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Post by psychotix5000 on Dec 6, 2009 13:38:05 GMT -5
Got a new theory to share but need time to flesh it out. Should have it done for day 3 start.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Dec 6, 2009 14:36:14 GMT -5
That last part with Enobaria gives me an idea as to who it might be: jagiliki, who hasn't really done much besides "enjoying the show", or one of the other inactive players.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Dec 6, 2009 15:52:58 GMT -5
That last part with Enobaria gives me an idea as to who it might be: jagiliki, who hasn't really done much besides "enjoying the show", or one of the other inactive players. Tributes not voting: Jagiliki Latino Meat Jazzman Scruffy Deadpool
Obviously not Jazz. I don't think Latino was just enjoying the show, but its not impossible it was him either. Scruffy seems unlikely to me as well. Deadpool and Jagiliki seem like a toss up on who that could be.
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Post by psychotix5000 on Dec 6, 2009 16:05:27 GMT -5
Nice observation on the write up. There's quite a lot there if u have the time and can read between the lines.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2009 17:22:38 GMT -5
so does this mean that whoever Snow is voted for Jazz to be lynched? its not a lot to go on but its still an interesting tidbit
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Dec 6, 2009 17:22:57 GMT -5
EBWOP I guess Ravishing is also a longshot as Enobaria too. He really hasn't been heard from since his seemingly drive by early-bandwagon vote on me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2009 17:27:40 GMT -5
agreed it could be Ravishing... but i still believe it's Jag. i agree with what you said before though on it being a tossup between Deadpool and Jag... i'm leaning more towards Jag though.
also a thought... if our third party is a serial killer then can they be a jester as well? i don't think they'd make the third party that powerful and as there's only been a writeup of one third party so far i think we can assume there's only one so i really don't think we need to worry about a jester.
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