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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Dec 9, 2009 14:00:50 GMT -5
Wait. Gah. Nevermind, it was Katniss.
I need more sleep.
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Post by Oak: Certified Jade Hater on Dec 9, 2009 14:28:47 GMT -5
Well, this is really not looking good for us gang. We have four people among us who are the enemy, and we've lost four of our own. I think Day 3 more than anything will help us get another scum. I don't understand the math. That doesn't add up for me. And two more direct hits on our side. This isn't looking good. Right now, there are four people who are scum (3 mafia and 1 third party, unless I'm mistaken) among us. Moving on, it doesn't seem like jag's death was on purpose, as the miller comes up as Mafia when investigated. More than likely it's a simple case of mistaken identity, but it's still a loss for our side. I'm interested to hear Al Bundy's take on who President Snow is. So far I haven't gotten any reads on the players to give me a primary suspect, but as I said, Day 3 might be when we start to turn things around.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Dec 9, 2009 15:09:04 GMT -5
I don't understand the math. That doesn't add up for me. And two more direct hits on our side. This isn't looking good. Right now, there are four people who are scum (3 mafia and 1 third party, unless I'm mistaken) among us. Moving on, it doesn't seem like jag's death was on purpose, as the miller comes up as Mafia when investigated. More than likely it's a simple case of mistaken identity, but it's still a loss for our side. I'm interested to hear Al Bundy's take on who President Snow is. So far I haven't gotten any reads on the players to give me a primary suspect, but as I said, Day 3 might be when we start to turn things around. But how can someone both investigate and kill jag in one night? I mean, the only way we all know if someone investigated Jag, they would have to post about it in the thread -- and then someone would have to take it upon himself to kill Jag, but that wouldn't happen until the next night phase. And I don't remember anyone revealing that they were the investigator and investigated Jag. Also, if the mafia were to investigate Jag, and if it showed mafia... wouldn't they know that he wasn't one of their own? So they couldn't have set up Jag for the kill either. Something isn't adding up here.
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Dec 9, 2009 15:29:22 GMT -5
Thoughts from the writeup...
1) Ritt/Beetee mentioned being able to give items to someone else. But doesn't appear to have been able to. Maybe Roleblocked? Or cause he was killed, he wasnt able to perform his night act?
2) Katniss(gunslinger) killed Johanna(jagiliki)... not sure if this was an intended target... or if there is a "deflect" or "redirect" type ability within one of the roles... Hoping gunslinger can help fill us in on this so we can have a better understanding.
3) It was just revealed that Primrose appears to be the protector/doctor. Might have been the reason Peeta survived.
4) Ritt/Betee mentioned a "wire" that i'm guessing could be used to defend himself... but this item seemed to have failed... maybe further use of the roleblock.
I think I know where Bundy is going with who Snow is, but i'm going to wait til he posts his theories.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Dec 9, 2009 15:38:49 GMT -5
A Role-Blocker targeting Ritt is a possibility. Another would be that the wire thing he had only worked against certain types of kills. If I remember correctly, some protection items only work against certain types of attacks, such a bullet-proof vest blocking bullets but not knives. Could be that nobody blocked his action, and it was just a case of his wire not working against Snow's gun. And given what Beetee himself said about his wire, that's what my guess is.
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Dec 9, 2009 15:48:55 GMT -5
A Role-Blocker targeting Ritt is a possibility. Another would be that the wire thing he had only worked against certain types of kills. If I remember correctly, some protection items only work against certain types of attacks, such a bullet-proof vest blocking bullets but not knives. Could be that nobody blocked his action, and it was just a case of his wire not working against Snow's gun. And given what Beetee himself said about his wire, that's what my guess is. I guess each mafia is assigned their own unique weapon... and they choose which mafia member will be making the kill each night?
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Dec 9, 2009 15:58:46 GMT -5
Possibly. I remember the Hobo Mafia game featured each Mafia member having a different means of killing someone, though as I wasn't one of them I don't know if they got to choose who killed who each night or not.
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Post by ♥ Bunnyslinger ♥ on Dec 9, 2009 16:09:40 GMT -5
Yeah so jags gone, he was town, tough luck. but we lost nothing really, he's never done anything other than defend himself, and this was way back when. he hasn't even checked in, in ages. He was as good as dead anyways. I'm awaiting Al's theory so you can all read it.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Dec 9, 2009 16:19:19 GMT -5
So long and thanks for all the fish.
Good luck rebellion and may the force be with you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2009 19:09:48 GMT -5
Thoughts from the writeup... 1) Ritt/Beetee mentioned being able to give items to someone else. But doesn't appear to have been able to. Maybe Roleblocked? Or cause he was killed, he wasnt able to perform his night act? 2) Katniss(gunslinger) killed Johanna(jagiliki)... not sure if this was an intended target... or if there is a "deflect" or "redirect" type ability within one of the roles... Hoping gunslinger can help fill us in on this so we can have a better understanding. 3) It was just revealed that Primrose appears to be the protector/doctor. Might have been the reason Peeta survived. 4) Ritt/Betee mentioned a "wire" that i'm guessing could be used to defend himself... but this item seemed to have failed... maybe further use of the roleblock. I think I know where Bundy is going with who Snow is, but i'm going to wait til he posts his theories. also i believe we can be certain that mafia has some kind of investigator or maybe thief with the way that Romulus has gotten some kind've item from that bag.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Dec 9, 2009 20:12:10 GMT -5
ritt was roleblocked, I think. I wish he would have never said anything about the glasses. He seemed to be basking in the power role there toward the end and volunteered too much unnecessary information.
Gunslinger, you apparently killed jagilki, and I was awaiting your post to see what you would have to say about it (even after being prompted by another player) and you didn't acknowledge it much at all. In fact, I don't like the "oh well" attitude in the least. Don't "oh well" us without an explanation. If you made an active mistake, at least let us know. Or, if the kill was some side effect, then sure, "oh well," but at least acknowledge what role you played in dropping a townie during the night phase. Yes, I assume the aqua means your town, and I'm inclined to listen to you. But when a confirmed townie basically give us the impression of "oh well" when a possibly important vote dies, it's pretty much a sign that we're all screwed.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Dec 9, 2009 20:27:51 GMT -5
Also, to Crane/Sawyer, the old links seem to be inaccessible. I wanted to link to Day One lynch to double-check whether or not jagilki even voted on Day One. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
On that note, going back to what I said in my last post, it's not that I don't agree with Gunslinger that jagilki wasn't helping; I just want an explanation about the night kill.
As far as jagilki goes, if I'm ever stuck (yes, that's right, stuck) in a game with him again, based on what is being revealed to us on the surface in this game, I'm disregarding any and all posts in any future games he participates in. If he was the Miller, then I'm inclined to believe he just perceived his character as straight up Town with no abilities whatsoever. If that's the case, his gameplay is absolutely inexcusable. Now, being new to the game, there is certainly something to the puzzle that I might be missing, and if that's the case, then I'll acknowledge my faulty perception. But, as it looks right now--two no-votes and a "screw it" type of attitude throughout the whole game makes me extremely frustrated that he signed up for the game to begin with. No wonder we're going to lose. Again, this is all based on the assumptions that I have to operate under, and I truly hope someone who *claims* to be experienced would be a better player than that and that I'm missing something altogether--And I really do assume that's the case; I had more faith/respect in jagilki to begin with.)
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Post by crudulak on Dec 9, 2009 20:31:28 GMT -5
The bag wasn't in yellow like the wire was, so it may just be there as a part of the story and not the game.
I'm way too busy to contribute meaningfully today, we'll see how tomorrow goes.
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Post by OblivionSorceress on Dec 9, 2009 20:33:37 GMT -5
I think we'll be okay. I get the feeling Day 3 will be a better day for the town. So let's put on our thinking caps and find us some mafia (or serial killer).
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Dec 9, 2009 20:38:36 GMT -5
Back-to-back-to-back posts, I know.
Could it be that the mod is preventing us from seeing IF jagilki had any powers? When I read the write-up, I thought jagilki was the PROTECTOR, and I immediately thought, "That makes sense." But when it's revealed that he wasn't and that he was a Miller, upon that is what my frustration is based.
Also, I don't get how Katniss's sister could "heal" as suggested in the write-up. A "doctor" is also a protector role, right? I don't know enough about the book series, but I thought Prim was Katniss's sister and that Prim was a little girl, so how would Prim be able to heal? Again, I just don't know enough about the book to pick up on what was going on during that whole sequence. There were just too many "protector/doctor" references right there together in the write-up that confused me.
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Post by ♥ Bunnyslinger ♥ on Dec 9, 2009 20:40:34 GMT -5
ritt was roleblocked, I think. I wish he would have never said anything about the glasses. He seemed to be basking in the power role there toward the end and volunteered too much unnecessary information. Gunslinger, you apparently killed jagilki, and I was awaiting your post to see what you would have to say about it (even after being prompted by another player) and you didn't acknowledge it much at all. In fact, I don't like the "oh well" attitude in the least. Don't "oh well" us without an explanation. If you made an active mistake, at least let us know. Or, if the kill was some side effect, then sure, "oh well," but at least acknowledge what role you played in dropping a townie during the night phase. Yes, I assume the aqua means your town, and I'm inclined to listen to you. But when a confirmed townie basically give us the impression of "oh well" when a possibly important vote dies, it's pretty much a sign that we're all screwed. No, players who play like jagilki and tfmcmg and to a less extent Deadpool does now, is a sign that we're screwed. jagilki was a major distraction who basically came out and said that he'd rather be lynched right away then be a distraction too the town, this was ages ago, and he was pretty much never heard of again. And he has served as a distraction not just for a short period of time, but pretty much the entire flippin' game. The keyword is POSSIBLY, a possibly important vote, only problem being that jagilki has never voted, and has never displayed any indication to do so either. So for him, yeah, I've got nothing other than an "oh well"
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Post by OblivionSorceress on Dec 9, 2009 20:45:08 GMT -5
I think Gunslinger was going with who a lot of people though was a mafia member. I have a thought about his role speaking of which, Jag's I mean. Since he was a Miller and would of looked like Mafia if investigated is it possible he was supposed to act like Mafia too?
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Dec 9, 2009 20:54:40 GMT -5
I think Gunslinger was going with who a lot of people though was a mafia member. I have a thought about his role speaking of which, Jag's I mean. Since he was a Miller and would of looked like Mafia if investigated is it possible he was supposed to act like Mafia too? I thought of that, but I can't figure out what the point would be. Basically a jester character that agreed to do the mod's bidding and just screw things up for everyone else? Pre-game setup? I don't know the game that well, but it seems to defeat the whole purpose of playing the game to begin with. It seems the appeal of the "Miller" is that he/she wouldn't know ANYthing about himself/herself. In which case, I can't help but just shake my head at jagilki.
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Dec 9, 2009 21:12:22 GMT -5
Also, to Crane/Sawyer, the old links seem to be inaccessible. I wanted to link to Day One lynch to double-check whether or not jagilki even voted on Day One. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- It may be because of the fact that the thread is in the game forum now, and I may have to redo every link again, since the old ones were linked in off-topic. I will fix it as soon as I can.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Dec 9, 2009 21:15:28 GMT -5
Is it possible that jag knew he was a Miller? In hindsight, his attitude and comments about not wanting to be a distraction could have been him trying to get lynched out of concern for the Cop. I mean, think about it. What if the Cop investigated jag, saw he was Mafia, and then role-claimed to get us to lynch him? That'd have been a HUGE blow. If jag knew he would show Mafia if investigated, he might have been trying to get himself killed to prevent just such a scenario.
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