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Post by Jazzman on Dec 11, 2009 1:00:09 GMT -5
Completely unrelated to anything going on in the game, I'm just wondering who has next game, as I have a decent idea that could be fun.
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Dec 11, 2009 1:47:44 GMT -5
Completely unrelated to anything going on in the game, I'm just wondering who has next game, as I have a decent idea that could be fun. As Unofficial Wrestlecrap Forum Mafia Moderator (Along with maybe, Latino Meat and Deadpool) I'll set up a list on who wants to be Game Maker. I think Al Bundy has plans for a Wrestlecrap Mafia Game sequel. I myself during my down phase of not playing the Mafia game (since it is my own) I started the gears in motion for another possible Mafia Game Theme, I have the characters down and everything, but I am very willing to give someone else a chance, to run one instead. PM me if you have plans on running a Mafia Game. I already got four names down (which includes you Jazzman), as candidates to make a new game. BTW: Changed the thread symbol to a , cause alot of the other games are doing the same thing with the icon.
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Post by Jazzman on Dec 11, 2009 1:55:27 GMT -5
Completely unrelated to anything going on in the game, I'm just wondering who has next game, as I have a decent idea that could be fun. As Unofficial Wrestlecrap Forum Mafia Moderator (Along with maybe, Latino Meat and Deadpool) I'll set up a list on who wants to be Game Maker. I think Al Bundy has plans for a Wrestlecrap Mafia Game sequel. I myself during my down phase of not playing the Mafia game (since it is my own) I started the gears in motion for another possible Mafia Game Theme, I have the characters down and everything, but I am very willing to give someone else a chance, to run one instead. PM me if you have plans on running a Mafia Game. I already got four names down (which includes you Jazzman), as candidates to make a new game. Fair enough, now back on to the game playing!
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Dec 11, 2009 2:11:04 GMT -5
Official Vote Count:
Mr. Emoticon Man - 2 (Al Bundy, Pegasus Warrior)
Tributes not voting: Crudulak Scruffy D2 Sweet N' Sour Ravishing One Oblivion Sorceress Gunslinger Latino Meat Mr. Emoticon Man Michael Hayden Jonathan Michaels Deadpool
With 14 alive it will take 8 votes to lynch.
Deadline will be Wednesday, December 16th, 11:00 PM HST.
Ravishing One and Deadpool will be prodded as per request.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Dec 11, 2009 9:49:19 GMT -5
Of course Mr. Emoticon is going to be quick to back up a hunch from Oblivion Sorceress (or anyone) about me. It only confirms what I believe to be true about Mr. Emoticon in the first place. He's been doing that same "it could be true" line of thinking in bits and pieces throughout the game against people that I now believe to be "safe". Once he's gone and we can get a confirmation on status, we know he's a poster that has had a lot to say and we need to go through and find a potential link to "safe" players that he might have been mustering up suspicion against in order to shift focus away from he and his scum buddies (assuming he's not the serial killer).
By the way, the "hunch" in question from Oblivion Sorceress is the same thing that got everyone so gung ho against Delirious-2 in the beginning, and thus the reason I never thought the original D-2 was Mafia. I'd have to be the worst Serial Killer in the history of the game of Mafia if I were going to draw attention to myself as Serial Killer by pointing out immediately after the night write-up that Oblivion Sorceress made herself bait, and INCORRECTLY pointing that out on top of that.
I know you're trying Oblivion Sorceress, but no scum is going to throw you a chunk of meat to gobble up. It's just like D-2's post on Day One and thus the reason I never thought he could be a mafia member after such a blatant slip-up. And I know Mr. Emoticon knows that as well. He played as many people as possible with his own reaction to the whole fiasco (including Oblivion Sorceress who seemed to gobble that up at the time too), all the while nudging the lynch wagon along with his tongue-in-cheek comments. Everyone reacted so I'm not blaming Oblivion Sorceress or everyone who voted, but I noticed Mr. Emoticon's more subdued and well-worded responses toward it all as part of a scum push.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Dec 11, 2009 9:51:57 GMT -5
Clarification: by "gobble it up" I mean that Oblivion Sorceress made more inquisitive posts about the incident at that moment than at any other point in the game up to that point. And Mr. Emoticon was right there to help "clarify" and subtlely push.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Dec 11, 2009 10:00:51 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more with one thing, peg. Once I'm dead, review what I've said. I've been hunting Mafia, and I'll continue to hunt Mafia right up until I'm dead.
And while I've done "it could be true" comments, I've also done "it's not likely true" comments as well, so I don't really see the point of that claim.
Also, something to consider. You say there's no way you're the Serial Killer because you pointed out the protection role thing, right? So why so quick to decide I'm Snow when I was the first to point out back during Day Two that the write-ups could reflect player actions? If I was Snow, why would I ever have pointed out such a possibility? I'd have to be the worst Mafia member in recent memory to do that... and as you've previously commented quite well on my ability to play this game, I find it interesting that you'd jump on something like this that basically paints me as an idiot.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Dec 11, 2009 10:19:35 GMT -5
By the by, if I've decided not to vote today, provided I survive. This way, once Snow appears in the write-ups yet again, there won't be any lingering doubts.
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Dec 11, 2009 12:37:47 GMT -5
Ok… my turn… Via write-ups, here are the list of characters still alive Town: Caesar Cinna the Stylist Effie Trinkett Gale Hawthorne Greasy Sae Katniss Everdeen - Gunslinger Peeta Mellark – Al bundy Primrose Everdeen Mafia: Romulus Thread - Mafia President Snow - Mafia Clove - Mafia 3rd Party Enobaria - 3rd Party -Serial Killer That’s 12 accounted for… with 2 left still to be announced. I’m not so sure there isn’t another 3rd party or mafia out there at this point.
Next… "What have your searches found for me at the hotel, while those Rebels were distracted?" Romulus Thread, demanded his men. "This." They handed him a small purse. "Ah, good work!" This caught my eye when first reading this, but no one has mentioned anything about it. Yea, the bag that Ritt/Beetee had was taken, but what is this purse? And why was it important? If your character had a special item that was of this type, please let us know. I know that this is a role-claim, but if the mafia targeted you and they stole this item, they already know about you. So it only helps them by keeping it secret. If this is indeed a special item(or holds a special item), I’d like to know what it does.
Final Bit: And I’ll predicate this with the fact I was pretty sure Emoticon was Snow before Bundy posted his thoughts on it. But am uncertain that should be our target today. Seeing as this pertains to our biggest threat right now(the serial killer), I need to make a role-claim. I am Gale Hawthorne - Tracker. What does a tracker do? He follows people at night… more specifically, his ability lets me know where someone goes at night… be it to the hotel, to someone’s room, to the ballroom for the party…etc… but doesn’t tell me alignment when I do so. And if he chooses someone without a special night action… or they decide not to use their night action on someone, the tracker comes back empty handed. Not as good as an investigator… but hey… it is something. Anyway…why is this important? Cause of last night’s write-up…as the person I tracked last night was “at the party”. So let’s look at this. First, who was at the party? The party was set up for the Tributes… and some guards were there that Romulus sent… and later, Enobaria. Now, posting in order by how they would have happened in the timeline…. Outside, so not in the ballroom with the rest of the tributes… This makes me believe the person I tracked was not a tribute. “another shadowy figure” is probably Clover or Snow. Now, to me… this sounds like I was tracking the serial killer… and once the explosion happened, I lost her… But a few moments later she shows up at the ballroom. That person I tracked… Deadpool Thoughts? I have more thoughts(ie – like what we should do) … But want to make sure my thoughts were sound before getting into it any further.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Dec 11, 2009 12:53:21 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more with one thing, peg. Once I'm dead, review what I've said. Don't worry. If you flip town, I *will* look back at what you said. That means I'd look at Ravishing One and Al Bundy very critically, as that's who you've seemed to go toe-to-toe with most often. Also, I'll look at the remainder of your suspicion list you made. I have a couple of theories on Al Bundy so far anyway. However, Al has made a claim that I've been pursuing ever since the end of Day One and the Night One write-up. I just don't find it coincedence that another good player is having the same suspicions. I know you to be a good player to, and that's why some things haven't sit well with me. I think you're playing a great game, but unless a startling revelation occurs, I think you're my vote on this day. And on that note, it looks like you'll have the whole week to prove your case. Everyone who's active has been posting and weighed in. The rest of them won't ever show up, so there won't be an early lynch it appears. (With ritt gone too, there goes another active poster.) It's pretty much on four or five players to get the job done. Latino Meat -- will probably have more to add Al Bundy -- has made his case, so who knows what more he'll have to say Gunslinger -- will weigh in, since he's proven that he's remaining active Sweet N Sour -- sound contributions on Day Two and practically the one who made the first big revelation about Jazzman, and he'll be back for more, I assume and then you have ... Ravishing One -- worthless Deadpool -- worthless Delirious 2 -- worthless Jonathan Michaels -- I don't remember really anything he's said that added to my opinion about any other player one way or the other Michael Hayden -- is he still alive? Oblivion Sorceress -- trying, but barking up a series of imaginary trees by detracting from the most obvious line of rationale we have right now; that is, choosing to go lunging in the dark after a serial killer who NONE of us have had anything to go on scruffy -- also trying, but under his own admission, has been mislead and left scratching his head and then there is crudulak. He's been weird, randomly in and out, seemingly contributing , then taking long hiatuses. I don't remember Mr. Emoticon saying a single word about him. If Mr. Emoticon goes down at mafia, I'm looking back critically at what crudulak has had to say. I honestly don't know what to make of him yet. And from a mafia perspective, if we douse Mr. Emoticon and he's mafia, then the two remaining mafia members would have to strongly consider trying their best to root out the serial killer as well. Because the odds of his/her mark being hit at night once another mafia member is lynched goes up dramatically if we keep losing two town members for every one lynch. Also, on that note, I have a question: if the serial killer's mark has already been lynched or mafia night-killed, is that usually something that is revealed in the night write-up? Does the serial killer then just keep killing for the sake of killing? There have been several non-serial killer related deaths, and odds are that the killer's mark is going to go down VERY soon if they haven't already, so that's why I ask. If the mafia nightkills his/her mark on Night 3, then would we probably get some sort of clue in the write-up that would let us know that??
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Dec 11, 2009 12:58:58 GMT -5
Those of you who are sure I'm Snow are gonna be pretty embarrassed when the truth comes out.
That said, can you be more specific about what your Tracking results said?
If all you were told was that the person was "at the party" in your night action response, then to me that means the person was a Rebel who was at the party, and the subsequent actions of your character in the write-up were just thrown in there for drama. After all, Enoboria was never really at the party; she was outside. The party is for the Rebels, and she is almost assuredly not a Rebel. Stands to reason that if Deadpool was Enoboria, your tracking result would indicate that she wasn't with the rest of the Tributes; it'd be something like "outside of the party". And if you choose to see her as still being at the party despite having been outside, this is a case of you choosing to believe that the write-ups don't reflect peoples actions.
Also, consider: the write-up notes that your character saw a second shadowy figure. Did you get to do two night actions last night? Unless you did, there's no way that second shadowy figure sighting mirrored your actual actions... and that, again, throws doubt on whether or not other aspects of the write-up mirror real actions.
Further, the way it says he followed the first shadowy figure and then heard an explosion back at the ballroom and subsequently returned there. Yet, the ballroom is where the Serial Killer (presumably) attempted to kill her target. Had you followed her, you'd have still been there, meaning there'd be no need to return. So if you are convinced that Deadpool is the Serial Killer, then that means admitting that, in yet another manner, the write-ups didn't reflect your actual actions.
Either way, if the write-ups reflect actions then Deadpool isn't Enoboria, and if the write-ups don't reflect actions and your clue is all you have, then it still doesn't indicate Deadpool as being Enoboria. Either way, I don't see much merit to your case (and believe me, I wish I did, as I may be signing my death warrant once again by disputing your case).
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Dec 11, 2009 13:00:49 GMT -5
Ok… my turn… Via write-ups, here are the list of characters still alive Town: Caesar Cinna the Stylist Effie Trinkett Gale Hawthorne Greasy Sae Katniss Everdeen - Gunslinger Peeta Mellark – Al bundy Primrose Everdeen Mafia: Romulus Thread - Mafia President Snow - Mafia Clove - Mafia 3rd Party Enobaria - 3rd Party -Serial Killer That’s 12 accounted for… with 2 left still to be announced. I’m not so sure there isn’t another 3rd party or mafia out there at this point.
Next… "What have your searches found for me at the hotel, while those Rebels were distracted?" Romulus Thread, demanded his men. "This." They handed him a small purse. "Ah, good work!" This caught my eye when first reading this, but no one has mentioned anything about it. Yea, the bag that Ritt/Beetee had was taken, but what is this purse? And why was it important? If your character had a special item that was of this type, please let us know. I know that this is a role-claim, but if the mafia targeted you and they stole this item, they already know about you. So it only helps them by keeping it secret. If this is indeed a special item(or holds a special item), I’d like to know what it does.
Final Bit: And I’ll predicate this with the fact I was pretty sure Emoticon was Snow before Bundy posted his thoughts on it. But am uncertain that should be our target today. Seeing as this pertains to our biggest threat right now(the serial killer), I need to make a role-claim. I am Gale Hawthorne - Tracker. What does a tracker do? He follows people at night… more specifically, his ability lets me know where someone goes at night… be it to the hotel, to someone’s room, to the ballroom for the party…etc… but doesn’t tell me alignment when I do so. And if he chooses someone without a special night action… or they decide not to use their night action on someone, the tracker comes back empty handed. Not as good as an investigator… but hey… it is something. Anyway…why is this important? Cause of last night’s write-up…as the person I tracked last night was “at the party”. So let’s look at this. First, who was at the party? The party was set up for the Tributes… and some guards were there that Romulus sent… and later, Enobaria. Now, posting in order by how they would have happened in the timeline…. Outside, so not in the ballroom with the rest of the tributes… This makes me believe the person I tracked was not a tribute. “another shadowy figure” is probably Clover or Snow. Now, to me… this sounds like I was tracking the serial killer… and once the explosion happened, I lost her… But a few moments later she shows up at the ballroom. That person I tracked… Deadpool Thoughts? I have more thoughts(ie – like what we should do) … But want to make sure my thoughts were sound before getting into it any further. You are ON FIRE! My post right above this was made before you posted. Wow. Sweet N Sour is the MVP of this game thus far. I think we actually have a chance as town in this game. Deadpool and Mr. Emoticon would put us down to two scum remaining. PLUS, if we have a vigilante (and I strongly think we do) we can theoretically off BOTH of them in the SAME NIGHT! Since mafia roleblocker(s) exist, I strongly suggest lynching Mr. Emoticon (who may be nightkill immune) and let the vigilante take out Deadpool (who the mafia needs to be gone just as well; unless they're just stupid and want to allow him to catch up to their mark before they outlast everyone).
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Dec 11, 2009 13:01:04 GMT -5
EBWOP
Pegasus, Bundy is confirmed Town. If you look at him as being a suspect, you're wasting your time.
Also, crud and I had a disagreement back in Day Two. I even got the impression that he considers me to be Mafia. Read back a bit if you don't believe me. However, if he doesn't pop up soon, I will consider him a person of interest. He's been quieter than usual, but that might not mean much given the season.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Dec 11, 2009 13:07:27 GMT -5
And then, I said "ugh." Mr. Emoticon's 5th paragraph strikes a chord with me. I think that he may be right about this. I think Sweet is on to something, but I'm going to take time to re-read everything later when I get off work and make my own judgment in hindsight. I don't get a break again until very late night, and even then, I'm going to be MEGA rushed. I was hoping my free time today would lead to some suspects, but I think I may have jumped the gun with my faith displayed in the last post.
And Mr. Emoticon, I respect you as a player a great deal, I want you to know. The veiled comment about all of us being "embarassed" when the reveal comes is not going unnoticed by me. I do hope that if there is a push in your favor toward the end of the week, you'll do the right thing and help us NOT lynch a town member. I'm not asking you to role-reveal right now if you are town. Certainly not. But if you say we're going to be embarassed, then PLEASE do the right thing before it's too late at the end of our "daytime" time alottment. We need to hit scum tonight; that's *for sure*.
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Post by psychotix5000 on Dec 11, 2009 13:14:40 GMT -5
Number one, Peg, see Sweet's above post regarding who the SK is. I see no reason to doubt him unless someone else roleclaims as Gale Hawthorne.
As for the SK having a "mark" that he/she needs to kill, there is NO EVIDENCE in the write ups that there even is a specific target that needs to be killed. The SK, in most cases, needs everyone else dead to win.
For now, my vote stands but it may change (the SK is a very credible threat).
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Dec 11, 2009 13:15:43 GMT -5
EBWOP Pegasus, Bundy is confirmed Town. If you look at him as being a suspect, you're wasting your time. Nope, not a scum suspect. Just a couple of other possibilities. You yourself questioned this from the get-go, just not the way I'm questioning it to myself. So please don't be pretentious in thinking that just because someone else is questioning a player that you've already sought after on your own that they must be lost. I'm nowhere near ready to pop half-hearted theories out there. It's just a couple of things in the back of mind I'll consider if the game goes long enough.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Dec 11, 2009 13:36:44 GMT -5
If not a scum suspect, then what? Sorry, but I don't see how Bundy can be anything but what he says he is. Sure, I happen to think he's wrong and maybe a bit vindictive... but the facts are clear enough about him being Town. Misguided, perhaps, but Town.
Some of your comments are coming across as very odd. You claimed Sorceress had outed herself as a protector, when she clearly wasn't. You keep referring to the Serial Killer as having a mark, when Serial Killers don't have marks and nothing in Enoboria's actions make her seem like anything but a Serial Killer. Now, you talk about having theories on Bundy, a confirmed Townie, but won't say anything about what those theories are save that he's not a Mafia suspect.
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Post by ♥ Bunnyslinger ♥ on Dec 11, 2009 13:43:00 GMT -5
I'm still for Bundy's theory, Just haven't put my vote down yet on the off chance that something spectacular happens, like a mafia totally outs themselves somehow. Well done by S&S on the deadpool thing. MrEM is went all out on his defense there, at this point I think it's safe to assume that the write ups mirrors our actions, and we can't really pick and choose, we either use all the info we can get out of the writeups or we don't use them at all.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Dec 11, 2009 13:50:37 GMT -5
Once again... you know what they say about assuming. And boy, is it ever gonna be true here...
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Dec 11, 2009 14:34:16 GMT -5
One last series of notes before I head off to work.
We know Jazzman was Mafia, so here's a look at some of the various connections that can be made using him:
-Jazzman threatened a FoS on anyone who voted for jag in a 12 hour period... and later in the day, Jonathan did just that without Jazzman following up.
-Jazzman put a FoS on me because of what Bundy had to say; he also put a FoS on Jag.
-Jazzman picked up a line of thinking that crud had directed against Sweet.
-Jazzman later agreed with crud that tfmcmg was killed as a distraction.
-Jazzman claimed that he thought D2 and Scruffy were onto something when they targeted ritt.
-Jazzman asked for an explanation from Ravishing in regards to his drive-bys.
-Jonathan didn't appear until after the Jazzman issue had been resolved. He was never forced to believe or disbelieve Jazzman's fake-claim, and he appeared after Jazzman broke down and admitted his guilt.
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Now for two notes on Jonathan and Latino, who keep jumping up on my radar:
-Jonathan randomly claimed that he thought Latino was a Townie.
-Latino questioned Jonathan about how his strategy of being forgetful would help the Town.
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I'm more suspicious of Jonathan than ever, and crud just popped up on my radar again as well. What this means for the others I've been suspicious of (Latino and Ravishing, and to a lesser extent pegasuswarrior) I'm still not sure. I'll consider the issue at work, and report back what I've come up with (assuming I'm still alive).
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