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Post by SickFlipPiledriver on Jun 29, 2009 23:50:28 GMT -5
Exactly. So we get a longer MVP/Triple H match and a shorter Cena/Miz match. "OMG MIZ IS TOTALLY BURIED HIS SOUL IS CRUSHED AND IN DISMAY" Just can't win. Well if that's the case, they should've cut something out, perhaps the Kofi vs Big Show match I guess if you had to choose and gave that time to MVP/Triple H. Especially if this is supposed to be a tournament in which the winner gets a world title shot.Five minutes IS NOT enough time to get a guy over. I mean, look at last night and how well that worked out for ol Miz. I'd have been pissed if they cut Big Show/Kofi, I was into that match. MVP looked fine, though honestly I don't know why they put him against HHH if they're trying to make him a face, but that's neither here nor there. Last night worked out fine for ol' Miz if tonight was any indication. He got a pretty big reaction when Batista announced he was in the tourney.
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on Jun 29, 2009 23:50:52 GMT -5
This thread's going bad Wheres Yellowjacket at? Here I am!
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Post by The OP on Jun 29, 2009 23:52:15 GMT -5
Then next week we would've had Cena/MVP which we haven't seen before and would've been a more interesting match than Trips/Cena. But HHH/Cena would bring in more draws than Cena/MVP. Maybe, Cena/HHH are two established draws. However, it's not a PPV and it's important to build new stars. That's what TV is for as opposed to PPV. Also, a lot of people would rather see matches they haven't seen than ones they have.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2009 23:52:24 GMT -5
This thread's going bad Wheres Yellowjacket at? Here I am! This things going be bad WE NEED MORE RANDOM! *Puts on 3D shirt and Shoves Yellowjacket* YELLOWJACKET!
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Post by SickFlipPiledriver on Jun 29, 2009 23:53:21 GMT -5
Don't do this.
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Post by Danimal on Jun 29, 2009 23:54:13 GMT -5
Yeah, it was just weird. They need to make up their minds about whether or not they're pushing MVP too, that's another thing. They've totally wasted the whole "MVP has a HUGE losing-streak, gets it turned-around while becoming a face, then gets pushed" deal. A long freakin angle on Smackdown put into MVP is wasted now. He's just spinning his wheels on RAW doing the usual midcarder's job on RAW-making the main eventers look good.
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Post by skiller on Jun 29, 2009 23:54:19 GMT -5
This things going be bad WE NEED MORE RANDOM! *Puts on 3D shirt and Shoves Yellowjacket* YELLOWJACKET! Woah-oh it's getting serious.
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Post by Mecca on Jun 29, 2009 23:54:40 GMT -5
But HHH/Cena would bring in more draws than Cena/MVP. Maybe, Cena/HHH are two established draws. However, it's not a PPV and it's important to build new stars. That's what TV is for as opposed to PPV. Also, a lot of people would rather see matches they haven't seen than ones they have. The concept of always going with the biggest draws every single time means you don't give anyone new a chance and you end up with stale stuff that happens over and over...kind of like what killed WCW.
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on Jun 29, 2009 23:54:49 GMT -5
This things going be bad WE NEED MORE RANDOM! *Puts on 3D shirt and Shoves Yellowjacket* YELLOWJACKET! I'm in 3D! *Looks at hand, bringing it closer to face* It looks like it's coming right at me!
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Post by The OP on Jun 29, 2009 23:54:59 GMT -5
Then next week we would've had Cena/MVP which we haven't seen before and would've been a more interesting match than Trips/Cena. Not a chance. To the mass audience Cena vs. HHH is the biggest match the company can possibly put on. Personally I'm shocked that they're doing the rubber match on Raw (although I think it likely ends in some kind of draw leading to a triple threat at NOC) You're thinking like Bischoff. You can't just milk the main eventers until they're dry and then just expect the newer guys to magically be in a position to take over. A Cena/MVP match would've given MVP the rub, which is important in terms of the bigger picture.
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Post by Robbymac on Jun 29, 2009 23:55:07 GMT -5
How's that job working backstage at WWE working out for you? Is it possible that creative (led by his spouse) books him this way, and he just goes with it? Maybe the creative team books him in dominant fashion because the boss is a mark for him. Or maybe they just don't want to anger her. Really, unless you're working back there you don't know. You're purporting this as fact, when in reality its all guesswork. I think it's pretty cool how the same 4 posters defend everything... If we're gonna use arguments like "you dont' work for WWE you don't know" I think we should just close the forum there, screw debate no one knows! You stated something as if it were an absolute fact. And for that matter I don't defend everything. I bashed the MVP-HHH match www.411mania.com/wrestling/tv_reports/108774and last week I completely ripped Raw apart www.411mania.com/wrestling/tv_reports/108069/411%5Cs-WWE-Raw-Report-06.22.09.htmI just don't buy into typical internet myths and rumors, and believe them to be the gospel.
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Post by Mecca on Jun 29, 2009 23:55:32 GMT -5
Yeah, it was just weird. They need to make up their minds about whether or not they're pushing MVP too, that's another thing. They've totally wasted the whole "MVP has a HUGE losing-streak, gets it turned-around while becoming a face, then gets pushed" deal. A long freakin angle on Smackdown put into MVP is wasted now. He's just spinning his wheels on RAW doing the usual midcarder's job on RAW-making the main eventers look good. Unless you are an established maineventer you should pray to god you are not on Raw, that's the just of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2009 23:55:50 GMT -5
This things going be bad WE NEED MORE RANDOM! *Puts on 3D shirt and Shoves Yellowjacket* YELLOWJACKET! I'm in 3D! *Looks at hand, bringing it closer to face* It looks like it's coming right at me! Did you know if your hand is Bigger than your face you have Halitosis?
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on Jun 29, 2009 23:56:23 GMT -5
I'm in 3D! *Looks at hand, bringing it closer to face* It looks like it's coming right at me! Did you know if your hand is Bigger than your face you have Halitosis? I'm not falling for that again.
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Post by Mecca on Jun 29, 2009 23:56:52 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the way Triple H is booked has a bit more to do with what he personally wants than just "oh he's going with the flow" when you look at his entire career.
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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on Jun 29, 2009 23:57:15 GMT -5
Triple H beat MVP with one move.
I'm done.
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Post by DrizzlinShytes on Jun 29, 2009 23:57:23 GMT -5
Number 1. The MVP/HHH match is no different than the Miz/Cena match. It has already been pointed out, but it bears repeating. The two matches had the same formula. Midcard talent gets offense and is made to look like a guy on the way up, but just isn't there yet. MVP was not squashed. He got as much if not more offense than Miz. But in the end both Miz and MVP lost as it should be. HHH didn't do anything wrong here unless you think Cena buried Miz. Number 2. Some act as if they really wanted MVP to win and since he didn't HHH buried him. MVP was never going to win and we all knew that. HHH has a program with the world champ and MVP is a midcard talent. It isn't a burial to lose to one of the top guys in the company. And it certainly would have made no sense to have MVP go over on HHH. What are they going to do? Have MVP try and sell a PPV with Orton?That is why Raw is boring, easily predictable and yes at this point I'd rather watch MVP mainevent with Orton than see Triple H do it for the 34th. All due respect, but aren't you the same guy that was saying last night that Miz was going to be buried after the PPV match with Cena? That it was impossible to get Miz any heat after that match? I bring that up to at least point out your track record is as shady as the rest of us and you should probably calm down on the sky is falling rhetoric every time a young guy jobs. But finally, and again all due respect, this is why you should be far away from booking the WWE. Hot-shotting talent into a main event spot that the fans won't accept them in and they aren't ready for is a recipe for disaster. See Johnson, Duane or Randy Orton back in the day. Throwing MVP into a main event program with Randy Orton with no build-up and MVP clearly not established would bury him and require a good while to build him back up.
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Post by The OP on Jun 29, 2009 23:58:37 GMT -5
What I suggested covers both bases though. Cena/MVP would end in a Cena victory, setting up Orton/Cena for the PPV.
What's wrong with that idea?
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Post by Mecca on Jun 29, 2009 23:59:19 GMT -5
That is why Raw is boring, easily predictable and yes at this point I'd rather watch MVP mainevent with Orton than see Triple H do it for the 34th. All due respect, but aren't you the same guy that was saying last night that Miz was going to be buried after the PPV match with Cena? That it was impossible to get Miz any heat after that match? I bring that up to at least point out your track record is as shady as the rest of us and you should probably calm down on the sky is falling rhetoric every time a young guy jobs. But finally, and again all due respect, this is why you should be far away from booking the WWE. Hot-shotting talent into a main event spot that the fans won't accept them in and they aren't ready for is a recipe for disaster. See Johnson, Duane or Randy Orton back in the day. Throwing MVP into a main event program with Randy Orton with no build-up and MVP clearly not established would bury him and require a good while to build him back up. Obviously you're Bischoff light style of booking where the same guys mainevent forever and other guys can just be there is the right idea. Also MVP doesn't have to beat Cena but his win over H and match with Cena would do wonders for him.
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Post by Robbymac on Jun 29, 2009 23:59:22 GMT -5
Not a chance. To the mass audience Cena vs. HHH is the biggest match the company can possibly put on. Personally I'm shocked that they're doing the rubber match on Raw (although I think it likely ends in some kind of draw leading to a triple threat at NOC) You're thinking like Bischoff. You can't just milk the main eventers until they're dry and then just expect the newer guys to magically be in a position to take over. A Cena/MVP match would've given MVP the rub, which is important in terms of the bigger picture. No I'm not thinking like Bischoff at all. I didn't say I thought putting Cena vs. HHH on next week was the right move. I said to the typical WWE fan its a far more interesting match than MVP vs. Cena. I actually think its a monumentally stupid idea to blow a HUGE money rubber match on Raw. However I think this is all to set up a double dq of some kind so we get a triple threat, because Cena and HHH both have to be on the PPV, the PPV can only have title matches, and neither guy is going to be challenging for one of the lesser titles.
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