repomark
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Post by repomark on Jul 3, 2009 5:33:09 GMT -5
28 pages on this - seriously?
Wait - by posting in this thread I have actually furthered it. Ah the irony.
It is really a matter of opinion so there is not much point arguing either way - never going to convince someone who likes Triple H otherwise or vice versa. It is a bit of a pointless Game.
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Jul 3, 2009 5:45:55 GMT -5
I think it's indisputable that HHH is booked stronger than Cena. It's not about how something happened a few years ago, it's about looking at their places on the card in the current day, and wondering why it is that HHH is above Cena, when this is the Cena era. It would be like booking HBK above Austin in the Attitude era, even though Austin would be getting the more passionate reactions and the programming would be geared to getting the most out of his character, with ratings higher when he's the focus.
The problem is, HHH is the focus of Raw. As Mecca says, as a heel he is always the exception in that he's allowed to be booked strong a lot of the time. But right now, he is the focus. Orton was awesome in January, ratings were up because he was rising up the card, and became the focus of Raw. Why is it that the focus was no longer on Orton, how crazy he is, how his group protects him etc? Why is it now on HHH's quest for the title once again?
HHH wasn't the focus since 2005. He dropped to Batista, and let it be him. Then it was Cena who came over. It's just very strange that after 4 years they've decided to make it all about HHH again. It should be Cena or Orton, who is the champion but not the focus. In fairness to HHH he wasn't the focus last year when he was champion, but now the show revolves around him. That's my problem.
Well, that -and the fact that other people have now noted that Cena spends time in the mid-card and even loses the feuds down there, but this would never happen with HHH. This is a secondary point to the one about the show revolving around him, which I hate because I just cannot see the sense in revolving your show around a stale character rather than a fresher one, but still, not taking any time in the mid-card for almost 2 years now is ridiculous when there are bigger draws than him and a roster with more talent than at any time since the brand extention started.
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Post by supercheese on Jul 3, 2009 5:48:59 GMT -5
When was Triple Hs last PPV win over Orton?
Triple H went to Smackdown as he was the only one available to give Jeff Hardy the rub and subsequently establish him as the main eventer.
Would it have worked if he got beat every feud? No it wouldn't.
For someone as egotistical as Triple H is made out to be he jobs an awful lot at the biggest PPV of them all. The one with the most viewers.
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Post by SickFlipPiledriver on Jul 3, 2009 6:51:55 GMT -5
Triple H and Orton hogging the main event is only going to last until NOC when Cena wins the belt. Then six months from now we'll hear about how Cena is hogging the main event and the belt should be going to (random midcard heel in the making).
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Post by DamnYankee on Jul 3, 2009 8:16:33 GMT -5
Has this thread actually reached more pages than the Anti-Benoit thread?
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Mecca
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Post by Mecca on Jul 3, 2009 8:54:09 GMT -5
Triple H and Orton hogging the main event is only going to last until NOC when Cena wins the belt. Then six months from now we'll hear about how Cena is hogging the main event and the belt should be going to (random midcard heel in the making). Cena is 32 and suppose to be "the guy" it's understandable for him to hog the mainevent.
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Post by The OP on Jul 3, 2009 12:25:44 GMT -5
Triple H and Orton hogging the main event is only going to last until NOC when Cena wins the belt. Then six months from now we'll hear about how Cena is hogging the main event and the belt should be going to (random midcard heel in the making). You might be right, but as you point out, people will be rooting for "midcard heel in the making" not Triple H. People like to see newer stars on the rise, that's what gets people into the show. Some people on here seem to take the opinion that the average fan who is not an "internet fan" are just sheep who like whoever is popular at the time; I disagree. Anytime I have ever met a wrestling fan, they are individuals who have their own favorites, just like people on the board. I think this board is a microcosm and is not as outside the mainstream of wrestling fans as people think.
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Post by dh03grad on Jul 3, 2009 13:04:35 GMT -5
When was Triple Hs last PPV win over Orton? Triple H went to Smackdown as he was the only one available to give Jeff Hardy the rub and subsequently establish him as the main eventer. Would it have worked if he got beat every feud? No it wouldn't. For someone as egotistical as Triple H is made out to be he jobs an awful lot at the biggest PPV of them all. The one with the most viewers. Sure hes jobbed a few times at Mania....IN THE MAIN EVENT...which is the problem. 8 out of the 10 Wrestlemanias this decade has seen HHH in the World Title match. And the quad injury was the only thing that stopped HHH beating Cena for the title at Wrestlemania 23. Was Jeff really getting put over by HHH when, Jeff is right back on the undercard on the big events and HHH is still in the main event?
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Post by Just Jay on Jul 3, 2009 13:29:56 GMT -5
I've largely avoided this thread because I knew its just something to stupidly jump in head first. I think now I'll contribute my two cents.
I've never had anything against Triple H. I've always liked him during his "Reign of Terror" days, and I liked him even when he went over Booker T at Wrestlemania (Though I'll never understand WHY he won, its beyond me.) But after 10 some years of constantly being in the spotlight, I'm beginning to tire of him. I'm not complaining of his status power or politicking or anything of that gossipy nature. I'm complaining about how predictable it has become.
Anytime there is a qualifying match for a championship, and Trips isn't the champion means that he will be involved in the result of that match one way, or another. Him constantly owning the championship means nearly nothing, since he's usually the challenger, its almost the same thing. Its almost like we the fans, are to believe that Triple H is THE dominate wrestler that we can all get behind, that he is THE American Hero, THE Unstoppable Force. We're to believe that Triple H is some sort of Super Hero. I get that he's kind of a big deal, but I can see where people are starting to get utterly sick of seeing him in every single championship match on the top.
And as redundant as the SuperCena reign was, the consensus is that it will never come as close as to Triple H's constant stay at the top. Its almost as if they don't trust their other talent to deliver in ratings and in PPV buys, so they automatically book Triple H because they know he's a safe bet.
It would be nice to see him in a feud that didn't involve the championship. And if he had that feud, it would be nice to see that NOT take the place of the Championship match in terms of TV time and PPV time.
Just my thoughts, anyway.
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Post by corndog on Jul 3, 2009 15:19:32 GMT -5
When was Triple Hs last PPV win over Orton? Triple H went to Smackdown as he was the only one available to give Jeff Hardy the rub and subsequently establish him as the main eventer. Would it have worked if he got beat every feud? No it wouldn't. For someone as egotistical as Triple H is made out to be he jobs an awful lot at the biggest PPV of them all. The one with the most viewers. Yes he did put over Jeff Hardy and Orton, kind of. But notice that as soon as Orton became the focus of Raw and really the WWE, HHH magically appears on Raw, a show he was not drafted to by the way and starts a feud with the hottest star in the organization. Also he pretty much steals the focus from Orton to himself and becomes the focal point of the company. Heck the same can be said about Hardy. Yes he may have lost to both, but he involved himself in the biggest fueds at any given point. Also besides Orton(who is friends with HHH btw) notice how HHH will job, but usually to people whose career is winding down and won't have a chance to steal HHH's spot. Batista-older than HHH, Benoit- older than HHH, Hardy- he won't be around much longer and is only a little younger than HHH. Besides Cena, HHH never really lost to wrestlers that were either in their prime or a little before it. He should have lost to Jericho, RVD and Booker T, who were all young enough at that point to carry the organization for several years. Now Booker is in TNA, RVD is out of wrestling and Jericho is really still a top mid-carder who should have been a top main eventer 5 years ago and just got his break last year. Think about it, RVD was supposed to be a heel that ended up becoming the most popular wrestler within months of his arrival. He has a hardcore title reign where he goes over Steve Austin, the Rock and Kurt Angle, all of the biggest stars in the company at the time. Then gets a title shot against HHH, where he makes fun of HHH's water spitting(one of my favorite moments in wrestling) and gets squashed in a title match against him. Jericho came into the WWF in 1999 and was immediately hugely over. Also he was the first undisputed champion who defeated freaking Steve Austin(who I guess never puts people over?) and the Rock in the same night! Only to be made into a bitch once he enters a fued with HHH and becomes second fiddle to HHH, and HHH defeats him relatively easily at Wrestlemania. Basically HHH needs to stay on Smackdown with a couple of his friends and older wrestlers in the main event scene and put mid-carders they do not plan on moving to the main event like they did last year, it worked great and Raw was awesome.
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Post by Mecca on Jul 3, 2009 19:38:02 GMT -5
Triple H and Orton hogging the main event is only going to last until NOC when Cena wins the belt. Then six months from now we'll hear about how Cena is hogging the main event and the belt should be going to (random midcard heel in the making). You might be right, but as you point out, people will be rooting for "midcard heel in the making" not Triple H. People like to see newer stars on the rise, that's what gets people into the show. Some people on here seem to take the opinion that the average fan who is not an "internet fan" are just sheep who like whoever is popular at the time; I disagree. Anytime I have ever met a wrestling fan, they are individuals who have their own favorites, just like people on the board. I think this board is a microcosm and is not as outside the mainstream of wrestling fans as people think. That's because the chase is more exciting than actually being there..most good bookers realize this.
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Post by baerrtt on Jul 4, 2009 9:07:23 GMT -5
When was Triple Hs last PPV win over Orton? Triple H went to Smackdown as he was the only one available to give Jeff Hardy the rub and subsequently establish him as the main eventer. Would it have worked if he got beat every feud? No it wouldn't. For someone as egotistical as Triple H is made out to be he jobs an awful lot at the biggest PPV of them all. The one with the most viewers. Yes he did put over Jeff Hardy and Orton, kind of. But notice that as soon as Orton became the focus of Raw and really the WWE, HHH magically appears on Raw, a show he was not drafted to by the way and starts a feud with the hottest star in the organization. Also he pretty much steals the focus from Orton to himself and becomes the focal point of the company. Heck the same can be said about Hardy. Yes he may have lost to both, but he involved himself in the biggest fueds at any given point. Also besides Orton(who is friends with HHH btw) notice how HHH will job, but usually to people whose career is winding down and won't have a chance to steal HHH's spot. Batista-older than HHH, Benoit- older than HHH, Hardy- he won't be around much longer and is only a little younger than HHH. Besides Cena, HHH never really lost to wrestlers that were either in their prime or a little before it. He should have lost to Jericho, RVD and Booker T, who were all young enough at that point to carry the organization for several years. Now Booker is in TNA, RVD is out of wrestling and Jericho is really still a top mid-carder who should have been a top main eventer 5 years ago and just got his break last year. Think about it, RVD was supposed to be a heel that ended up becoming the most popular wrestler within months of his arrival. He has a hardcore title reign where he goes over Steve Austin, the Rock and Kurt Angle, all of the biggest stars in the company at the time. Then gets a title shot against HHH, where he makes fun of HHH's water spitting(one of my favorite moments in wrestling) and gets squashed in a title match against him. Jericho came into the WWF in 1999 and was immediately hugely over. Also he was the first undisputed champion who defeated freaking Steve Austin(who I guess never puts people over?) and the Rock in the same night! Only to be made into a bitch once he enters a fued with HHH and becomes second fiddle to HHH, and HHH defeats him relatively easily at Wrestlemania. Basically HHH needs to stay on Smackdown with a couple of his friends and older wrestlers in the main event scene and put mid-carders they do not plan on moving to the main event like they did last year, it worked great and Raw was awesome. Chris Jericho wasn't booked as a strong World champion even before the feud with HHH began in 2002. He didn't beat Austin cleanly at Armageddon '01 and once again didn't beat him cleanly at No Way Out '02. And given what eventually happened in 2006 when he was both the WWE and ECW champion RVD's attitude, at times, probably cost him the main event spot as opposed to Trips politicking backstage. Don't get me wrong for despite my defences of him on this thread I suspect that he's hardly been a saint (when both Austin AND Rock say you're hard to work with that means something) but at the end of the day no matter him sitting in creative meetings or his marriage to Steph his push, from day one to now, is down to Vince's call. Vince Mcmahon decides who's going to be in his main events, whether they make 'sense' or not, whther that be CM Punk or still after 10 years HHH at the 'expense' of Cena.
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Post by salTy on Jul 4, 2009 12:25:02 GMT -5
I don't understand why they'd put MVP against HHH to begin with. I mean, they must know that HHH is going to be cheered over him, right? And WE, as internet wrestling fans, must know they are NOT going to put MVP over HHH, right?
Yes, it's B.S., but we should have seen it coming when we saw the advertisement for the match.
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Post by Rorschach on Jul 4, 2009 13:04:25 GMT -5
Triple H and Orton hogging the main event is only going to last until NOC when Cena wins the belt. Then six months from now we'll hear about how Cena is hogging the main event and the belt should be going to (random midcard heel in the making). LOL...I actually hope you're right on this count. You think Cena's going over Hunter in the tourny? In an odd way, I would sort of like that. (Sorry if I am out of the loop...just got back from a trip and have missed the last RAW and SD episodes).
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