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Post by dimera on Jun 29, 2009 23:37:15 GMT -5
So people who don't like HHH are the bad guys because he sucks and won't do anything positive for the business that made him? 1. I mentioned nothing about everyone being bad guys, I just think people are overeacting to this match. just because we all disagree with one thing, doesn't make me think, we're going to disagree with everything else. 2. HHH has done alot of positive things for the business, is that some people don't bring to positive moments to the discussion. I think the negatives of HHH far outweighs any of the positives. I mean it took 2004 before he started putting guys over. That's pathetic. It really is when you think about it.
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Post by B.B.M on Jun 29, 2009 23:37:58 GMT -5
1. I mentioned nothing about everyone being bad guys, I just think people are overeacting to this match. just because we all disagree with one thing, doesn't make me think, we're going to disagree with everything else. 2. HHH has done alot of positive things for the business, is that some people don't bring to positive moments to the discussion. He's done positive things like putting Batista over, I think that's a great business move to give your big rub to a guy who's older than you are. It worked for Mark Henry tonight
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Post by Mecca on Jun 29, 2009 23:38:13 GMT -5
I wonder if you asked Booker T, RVD and Chris Jericho in confidentiality what they thought of Triple H putting people over...what they'd say.
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Post by B.B.M on Jun 29, 2009 23:39:14 GMT -5
I wonder if you asked Booker T, RVD and Chris Jericho in confidentiality what they thought of Triple H putting people over...what they'd say. Does anyone here know Booker, RVD or Jericho by any chance?
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Post by Mecca on Jun 29, 2009 23:39:14 GMT -5
He's done positive things like putting Batista over, I think that's a great business move to give your big rub to a guy who's older than you are. It worked for Mark Henry tonight Lets be frank Henry is not going to be a permanent maineventer and this wasn't his "big rub". Batista was the biggest job H ever did for the way he did it and immediately Batista was shipped to Smackdown and got injured and fizzled out partially because he was already an older man.
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Post by Mecca on Jun 29, 2009 23:39:39 GMT -5
I wonder if you asked Booker T, RVD and Chris Jericho in confidentiality what they thought of Triple H putting people over...what they'd say. Does anyone here know Booker, RVD or Jericho by any chance? Jericho said he thought Triple H was screwing with his career...
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Post by The OP on Jun 29, 2009 23:40:05 GMT -5
It really says a lot about the guy that he has to win as often as he does to stay over. I think he's a good wrestler, but he's not the best or most over worker they have; he's just booked that way.
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Post by Mecca on Jun 29, 2009 23:41:31 GMT -5
It really says a lot about the guy that he has to win as often as he does to stay over. I think he's a good wrestler, but he's not the best or most over worker they have; he's just booked that way. You'd think a guy in his position would be alot more open to doing jobs and the like, yet he's not. It's really quite baffling.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Jun 29, 2009 23:42:10 GMT -5
I wonder if you asked Booker T, RVD and Chris Jericho in confidentiality what they thought of Triple H putting people over...what they'd say. Does anyone here know Booker, RVD or Jericho by any chance? The only thing I've heard RVD say about HHH in interviews is that he doesn't get along with him at all in real life and doesn't like him as a person.
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Post by SickFlipPiledriver on Jun 29, 2009 23:42:17 GMT -5
He sold through the whole damn match, and won only when MVP made a mistake after completely dominating him the entire match. Yes, he made a mistake. He held one leg over Triple H's head - a pretty awkward position where Triple H has a CLEAR leverage and positional advantage - and stood there for a good five seconds before trying his move. Legit mistake into a counter into a Pedigree in my opinion. It didn't make MVP look bad at all, except that maybe he needs a new finisher. Pretty much this. It was basically a shorter version of Miz-Cena. They couldn't have made the match longer without cutting something else from a show that other than this was viewed very favorably by everyone. To read the thoughts of most on here you'd think it was a HHH squash, when in reality it was pretty much the opposite. Exactly. So we get a longer MVP/Triple H match and a shorter Cena/Miz match. "OMG MIZ IS TOTALLY BURIED HIS SOUL IS CRUSHED AND IN DISMAY" Just can't win.
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Post by B.B.M on Jun 29, 2009 23:43:23 GMT -5
Pretty much this. It was basically a shorter version of Miz-Cena. They couldn't have made the match longer without cutting something else from a show that other than this was viewed very favorably by everyone. To read the thoughts of most on here you'd think it was a HHH squash, when in reality it was pretty much the opposite. Exactly. So we get a longer MVP/Triple H match and a shorter Cena/Miz match. "OMG MIZ IS TOTALLY BURIED HIS SOUL IS CRUSHED AND IN DISMAY" Just can't win. Next week is going to be hell.
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Post by DrizzlinShytes on Jun 29, 2009 23:44:52 GMT -5
Number 1. The MVP/HHH match is no different than the Miz/Cena match. It has already been pointed out, but it bears repeating. The two matches had the same formula. Midcard talent gets offense and is made to look like a guy on the way up, but just isn't there yet. MVP was not squashed. He got as much if not more offense than Miz. But in the end both Miz and MVP lost as it should be. HHH didn't do anything wrong here unless you think Cena buried Miz.
Number 2. Some act as if they really wanted MVP to win and since he didn't HHH buried him. MVP was never going to win and we all knew that. HHH has a program with the world champ and MVP is a midcard talent. It isn't a burial to lose to one of the top guys in the company. And it certainly would have made no sense to have MVP go over on HHH. What are they going to do? Have MVP try and sell a PPV with Orton?
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Post by Mecca on Jun 29, 2009 23:46:31 GMT -5
Number 1. The MVP/HHH match is no different than the Miz/Cena match. It has already been pointed out, but it bears repeating. The two matches had the same formula. Midcard talent gets offense and is made to look like a guy on the way up, but just isn't there yet. MVP was not squashed. He got as much if not more offense than Miz. But in the end both Miz and MVP lost as it should be. HHH didn't do anything wrong here unless you think Cena buried Miz. Number 2. Some act as if they really wanted MVP to win and since he didn't HHH buried him. MVP was never going to win and we all knew that. HHH has a program with the world champ and MVP is a midcard talent. It isn't a burial to lose to one of the top guys in the company. And it certainly would have made no sense to have MVP go over on HHH. What are they going to do? Have MVP try and sell a PPV with Orton?That is why Raw is boring, easily predictable and yes at this point I'd rather watch MVP mainevent with Orton than see Triple H do it for the 34th.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Jun 29, 2009 23:46:58 GMT -5
Pretty much this. It was basically a shorter version of Miz-Cena. They couldn't have made the match longer without cutting something else from a show that other than this was viewed very favorably by everyone. To read the thoughts of most on here you'd think it was a HHH squash, when in reality it was pretty much the opposite. Exactly. So we get a longer MVP/Triple H match and a shorter Cena/Miz match. "OMG MIZ IS TOTALLY BURIED HIS SOUL IS CRUSHED AND IN DISMAY" Just can't win. Well if that's the case, they should've cut something out, perhaps the Kofi vs Big Show match I guess if you had to choose and gave that time to MVP/Triple H. Especially if this is supposed to be a tournament in which the winner gets a world title shot. Five minutes IS NOT enough time to get a guy over. I mean, look at last night and how well that worked out for ol Miz.
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Post by The OP on Jun 29, 2009 23:47:32 GMT -5
Well, I disagree with your number 2 point CerealKillah. I thought it would've made perfect sense for Trips to job being that he was injured and MVP went after his injured leg the whole match. It makes MVP look good, but Trips is still protected because everyone knows he would've won had he been 100%.
Then next week we would've had Cena/MVP which we haven't seen before and would've been a more interesting match than Trips/Cena.
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Post by Robbymac on Jun 29, 2009 23:47:42 GMT -5
It really says a lot about the guy that he has to win as often as he does to stay over. I think he's a good wrestler, but he's not the best or most over worker they have; he's just booked that way. You'd think a guy in his position would be alot more open to doing jobs and the like, yet he's not. It's really quite baffling. How's that job working backstage at WWE working out for you? Is it possible that creative (led by his spouse) books him this way, and he just goes with it? Maybe the creative team books him in dominant fashion because the boss is a mark for him. Or maybe they just don't want to anger her. Really, unless you're working back there you don't know. You're purporting this as fact, when in reality its all guesswork.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2009 23:48:00 GMT -5
This thread's going bad
Wheres Yellowjacket at?
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Post by B.B.M on Jun 29, 2009 23:48:46 GMT -5
Then next week we would've had Cena/MVP which we haven't seen before and would've been a more interesting match than Trips/Cena. But HHH/Cena would bring in more draws than Cena/MVP.
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Post by Mecca on Jun 29, 2009 23:50:19 GMT -5
You'd think a guy in his position would be alot more open to doing jobs and the like, yet he's not. It's really quite baffling. How's that job working backstage at WWE working out for you? Is it possible that creative (led by his spouse) books him this way, and he just goes with it? Maybe the creative team books him in dominant fashion because the boss is a mark for him. Or maybe they just don't want to anger her. Really, unless you're working back there you don't know. You're purporting this as fact, when in reality its all guesswork. I think it's pretty cool how the same 4 posters defend everything... If we're gonna use arguments like "you dont' work for WWE you don't know" I think we should just close the forum there, screw debate no one knows!
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Post by Robbymac on Jun 29, 2009 23:50:26 GMT -5
Then next week we would've had Cena/MVP which we haven't seen before and would've been a more interesting match than Trips/Cena. Not a chance. To the mass audience Cena vs. HHH is the biggest match the company can possibly put on. Personally I'm shocked that they're doing the rubber match on Raw (although I think it likely ends in some kind of draw leading to a triple threat at NOC)
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