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Post by londonfan on Jul 23, 2009 14:10:10 GMT -5
What do you mean by way over my head? Check out "Chick Fight" or the TNA Knockouts now there's some hotties that can WRESTLE! What kind of ratings do those shows get...?
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Post by dannyrctv on Jul 23, 2009 15:05:40 GMT -5
The same high ratings they've always been getting (and exaggerating about) long before the divas were there stinkin' up the joint and long before you were born kid!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2009 15:11:33 GMT -5
Hasn't TNA only been around Seven Years?
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Post by Lionheart on Jul 23, 2009 15:55:31 GMT -5
The same high ratings they've always been getting (and exaggerating about) long before the divas were there stinkin' up the joint and long before you were born kid! Sooooo, are the ratings high, or are they exaggerated? Also, I'm unclear on how "Chick Fight" can get ratings at all, since it's not on TV.
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Jul 23, 2009 15:57:22 GMT -5
The same high ratings they've always been getting (and exaggerating about) long before the divas were there stinkin' up the joint and long before you were born kid! Huh?
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Post by manstis1804 on Jul 23, 2009 17:50:13 GMT -5
When you watch RAW tonight compare the Divas match to all the men's matches. also notice the crowd reactions. If there were male wrestlers that were as bad as most of the divas I'd be saying the same thing. Seth Green had no business being in the ring last week as well as any other celebrity that has done so in the past. I agree the people's elbow is a lame as a finisher but it was still entertaining and look how over it was! Hogan may not have been the most technical wrestler but I think a near 7 foot 300 pound giant dropping a leg on you is 100 times more believable than the head scissors move I described above and again that's a move that always got over. Kelly Kelly:Hottie but wrestling nottie! FYI, Hogan is like 6'4" or 6'5", so even with rounding, that's not not 7'. I'm 6'5", so he wouldn't exactly be a giant to me. I get your point, though. As for the Divas, all I have to say is take a Divas match from 6-8 years ago and take one from this year. Huge difference in quality across the board, even if they still suck for the most part. Even the worst diva now (who I still say is NOT K2) is 100x better than the worst diva then (Jackie Gayda, anyone?) Dude 6-8 years ago they had Trish, Victoria, Jazz, Gail Kim and Molly Holly. They are better than any divas we have today, they have some talent like Katie Lea and Natalya but go figure, they're the ones that never get to wrestle. Melina Mickie and McCool are very good though. Kelly Kelly is terrible besides The Great Khali I honestly think she's the worst performer in the entire WWE. Lucky for her she has a way nicer ass and boobs and is one of the most beautiful women on the planet (at first glance...she's one dimensional).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2009 17:52:22 GMT -5
Isn't Chickfight porn? I've seen some of there vids on YT with Tickling and Ab Torture
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 23, 2009 17:55:46 GMT -5
"She's trying to improve" "She has room for improvement" "She is having fun" I am baffled, simply baffled, as to how standards have dropped so low. Has it really come to that point? People do not care if she is a good wrestler, just as long as she is trying not to be a bad wrestler? I dare think that WWE has jumped the shark, if thats true. Is she REALLY any worse than Khali, or when Andre the Giant's knees were ready to pop?
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Post by dannyrctv on Jul 23, 2009 20:09:51 GMT -5
The same high ratings they've always been getting (and exaggerating about) long before the divas were there stinkin' up the joint and long before you were born kid! Sooooo, are the ratings high, or are they exaggerated? Also, I'm unclear on how "Chick Fight" can get ratings at all, since it's not on TV. Of course the ratings are high or RAW or WWE/F on monday nights in general wouldn't have been around for more that 20 years and still going strong. If you know anything about WWE, ,the way they've always operated is by stretching the truth a little. For example, the world record breaking attendance at WM3 really wasn't as many as they boasted about. It's the 'ol image enhancement thing. Nothing wrong with that. Even if WWE didn't have the Divas they'd still be getting higher ratings than TNA like they always have. Even in the good 'ol days when there was more wrestling on TV to choose from:NWA/AWA/UWF etc WWE/F was always the #1 wrestling brand and program. I said nothing about ratings as far as chick fight/TNA KO's are concerned. I'm talking about the quality of the WRESTLING. I don't know about the porn thing maybe they have some fetish stuff on their website. But I've been to a couple of their all female wrestling shows with Mschif,Jazz,Cheerleader Melissa etc and it's top notch very talented young women that should be getting all the glory the divas are getting. How can anyone say Melina is good?? All she's good for is doing the splits! I hate the way she ducks a slow motion clothesline by bending over backwards. Wow, she's so flexible! So what? She can't wrestle! Just like a majority of the divas. Okay, let's see... Mickie,Natalya,Gail and then it starts getting thin trying to think what other divas are legite WRESTLERS. I think Beth Phoenix is over rated also. I've never been impressed with her in ring offense. Bring it on kids! I'll fight you to the death on this!
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Post by PKO on Jul 23, 2009 20:22:08 GMT -5
Jackie Gayda wasn't good, but people act like she was the worst wrestler to ever get in the ring and she wasn't. She had that awful mixed tag match with Trish and that's what everyone remembers her for but for the most part she was just a bland wrestler, around the level of Torrie Wilson. Good? Not at all. Abysmal? No, not really. But all people are ever gonna remember, and judge her on, is that match, which I think is unfair in a way.
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Post by Lionheart on Jul 23, 2009 20:22:31 GMT -5
Of course the ratings are high or RAW or WWE/F on monday nights in general wouldn't have been around for more that 20 years and still going strong. Yesssss, we know. We asked what kind of ratings the women's wrestling you believe is superior get. This isn't that complicated. No, you didn't. We did.
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Post by dannyrctv on Jul 23, 2009 20:38:30 GMT -5
Of course the ratings are high or RAW or WWE/F on monday nights in general wouldn't have been around for more that 20 years and still going strong. Yesssss, we know. We asked what kind of ratings the women's wrestling you believe is superior get. This isn't that complicated. No, you didn't. We did. Okay to answer that question yes WWE diva matches get higher ratings than TNA KOs(Since that's the only other on TV) I'm not disputing that. What I'm talking about is the quality of the wrestling and you can't deny that most of the Divas suck at wrestling. Listen how quiet the crowd gets durring a Divas match. Go to a live show and feel the difference in energy from the crowd compared to the men's matches, it's terrible! This has got to change. There's more talented women's wrestlers now then ever but WWE still continues to get these no talent models instead and that's a real shame.
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Post by londonfan on Jul 25, 2009 11:07:52 GMT -5
Bring it on kids! I'll fight you to the death on this! There is nothing to fight about grandpa. You have your opinion and others have theirs. Difference is you don't understand what draws. Or don't care. But in the end that's all that matters. If *wrestling* is what most *wrestling* fans wanted to see then the NCAA wrestling championships would draw 80,000+ to PPV's, and they don't. WWE does. That's why females like Mischief, and that other girl you posted will spend their careers struggling to make ends meets in gyms, while Melina and Kelly Kelly will wrestle in front of the masses and make a ton of money doing it. It's not what you want - it's what most everybody else wants. That's just the way it is. Nothing to fight about.
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Post by r. on Jul 25, 2009 12:07:22 GMT -5
Bring it on kids! I'll fight you to the death on this! There is nothing to fight about grandpa. You have your opinion and others have theirs. Difference is you don't understand what draws. Or don't care. But in the end that's all that matters. If *wrestling* is what most *wrestling* fans wanted to see then the NCAA wrestling championships would draw 80,000+ to PPV's, and they don't. WWE does. That's why females like Mischief, and that other girl you posted will spend their careers struggling to make ends meets in gyms, while Melina and Kelly Kelly will wrestle in front of the masses and make a ton of money doing it. It's not what you want - it's what most everybody else wants. That's just the way it is. Nothing to fight about. If these current diva matches in the wwe are what the fans "want" why exactly are they commonly refered to as piss break matches? wwe simply doesn't care about it's womens divison, it doesn't care becuase it sees the fans don't really care, but the fans don't care becuase vince has never put any real emphasis on the divison. It's a downward spiral.
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Post by mrjl on Jul 25, 2009 12:39:54 GMT -5
"She's trying to improve" "She has room for improvement" "She is having fun" I am baffled, simply baffled, as to how standards have dropped so low. Has it really come to that point? People do not care if she is a good wrestler, just as long as she is trying not to be a bad wrestler? I dare think that WWE has jumped the shark, if thats true. Is she REALLY any worse than Khali, or when Andre the Giant's knees were ready to pop? frankly, that's really all I care in the first place. As long as someone can walk without tripping over their own feet, react to a punch and CARES about what they're doing they can have an entertaining match.
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Post by Shy Guy on Jul 25, 2009 13:24:16 GMT -5
you know what would help wwe fans care about the divas?
if wwe could stick with one thing. they are either there to be oogled at in playboy, or they're respectable wrestlers.
wwe has never made up their mind about this, and i think that confuses the fans. candice did godaddy, playboy, and softcore porn. THEN, after the fans have her playboy cover in their minds, they put the belt on her. if this was the attitude era, sure it would work. debra won the belt by taking her clothes off. but she wasn't a wrestler. she was eye candy.
eye candy+wrestling diva=not working.
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Post by Kae on Jul 25, 2009 14:14:20 GMT -5
Bring it on kids! I'll fight you to the death on this! There is nothing to fight about grandpa. You have your opinion and others have theirs. Difference is you don't understand what draws. Or don't care. But in the end that's all that matters. If *wrestling* is what most *wrestling* fans wanted to see then the NCAA wrestling championships would draw 80,000+ to PPV's, and they don't. WWE does. That's why females like Mischief, and that other girl you posted will spend their careers struggling to make ends meets in gyms, while Melina and Kelly Kelly will wrestle in front of the masses and make a ton of money doing it. It's not what you want - it's what most everybody else wants. That's just the way it is. Nothing to fight about. MsChif has no interest in wrestling for WWE or TNA, but does work for ROH. The other companies' demands would probably conflict with her actual job in genetic research. (I'm serious too.) Daffney was in WCW and is now in TNA. So, yeah, they've hardly spent their whole career in gyms. I personally think the WWE could do better. It is possible to find attractive women who can actually work, about whom the largely-male crowd would get excited (and not only in their pants). That way, they could still have the sex-factor and the matches would be more than piss breaks. Win-win.
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