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Post by richardnoggin on Sept 16, 2005 16:05:56 GMT -5
the irish whip is bad but whats worse is the opponent bouncing off the ring ropes like a pinball. i always got a chuckle out of two wrestlers criss-crossing in the ring.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Sept 16, 2005 16:07:16 GMT -5
you know what I never got about the figure four? This might be suitable for a whole nother thread, but dont' know what to name it. But Flair spends the whole match working on a leg, but come figure four time, the presssure is applied to the other leg. Those who've actually taken/given a figure know where the actually is supposed to come from in a figure four. The leg under the one flair uses to spin around and lock his leg in.
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Post by Photogenic Huss Bosh on Sept 16, 2005 16:07:47 GMT -5
The C4
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Sept 16, 2005 16:07:58 GMT -5
the irish whip is bad but whats worse is the opponent bouncing off the ring ropes like a pinball. i always got a chuckle out of two wrestlers criss-crossing in the ring. Yeah that's just stupid when it goes on for too long. Usually once is fine, when they pass by each other like 2 or 3 times, it's just ridiculous. BTw, to the people suggesting Canadian destroyer and C4, yes those are cool but ridiculousy unbelievable (I think I had a whole seperate thread going in the Indie thread where that stuff reings), but I was looking for like moves that are done so many times it's ridiculous how many people fall for it. Although, CAnadian destroyer, so the big secret reversal was "to stand up"? Okay, why didn't anyone else think of that? At least that explains why the move isn't as affective as it used to be.
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Post by unsilent on Sept 17, 2005 3:50:11 GMT -5
you know what I never got about the figure four? This might be suitable for a whole nother thread, but dont' know what to name it. But Flair spends the whole match working on a leg, but come figure four time, the presssure is applied to the other leg. Those who've actually taken/given a figure know where the actually is supposed to come from in a figure four. The leg under the one flair uses to spin around and lock his leg in. Well, from previous experience, the Figure4 targets one place on each leg. For the straight leg, it pushes the knee downward, while the shin is pulled up against the attacker's body/leg/crotch. On the '4' leg, the target is on the ankle, forced down by the back of the attacker's knee.
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Post by Cheeto Smith on Sept 17, 2005 10:30:01 GMT -5
Somewhere in his book, he said something about taking an ordinary move and glorifiying/electryfying it, ala Hogan. So that's pretty much it, the People's Elbow is contrived, because the Rock was pretty much modelling it after the Atomic Leg Drop, whether to insult Hogan (how a simple move can be made a FINISHER), or pay homage to him. I am fairly positive that the people's elbow was not supposed to be a finisher when it was first created. Heel Rock invented it, and he was still using his Rock Bottom as the real finisher, the elbow was just supposed to be a demonstration of his arrogance. The announcers didn't sell it like a legit move, they would usually make a comment about how ridiculous the set up was. And it never beat anybody. This did eventually change, as we all know, but at first, it was just a regular elbow, with a ridiculous setup by a ridiculous heel.
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Post by Cheeto Smith on Sept 17, 2005 10:42:56 GMT -5
In further defense of the People's Elbow:
Rock invented the People's Elbow during his heel days as IC champ/Junior Nation Member in late 97/early 98. In those days, Rock's arrogance to talent ratio was way out of wack. He couldn't win a match cleanly to save his life. I forget exactly how he won the IC title, but he always held onto it by DQ or some other form of cheating. He was totally dominated in his feuds with Steve Austin and then Ken Shamrock, but he somehow managed to keep the belt, always by cheating or by some fluke. Remember Austin beat him for the title, but then abandoned the title, wanting to go after the World title instead, so Rock was basically given the IC title back without winning it. Yet, despite being a loser in the ring, Rock had the arrogance of a great winner, which is what made his charactor so great and what made him such a great heel. The people's elbow was sort of the embodiment of this concept, a big fuss made over a small move, which was a metaphor of sorts for the Rock himself. He made a big fuss about himself, but he sucked in the ring.
This was all eventually phased out and Rock became a winner in the ring. But if you don't appreciate this backstory, then yeah, the people's elbow would seem pretty stupid.
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Post by mainsupreme on Sept 17, 2005 12:24:39 GMT -5
In further defense of the People's Elbow: Rock invented the People's Elbow during his heel days as IC champ/Junior Nation Member in late 97/early 98. In those days, Rock's arrogance to talent ratio was way out of wack. He couldn't win a match cleanly to save his life. I forget exactly how he won the IC title, but he always held onto it by DQ or some other form of cheating. He was totally dominated in his feuds with Steve Austin and then Ken Shamrock, but he somehow managed to keep the belt, always by cheating or by some fluke. Remember Austin beat him for the title, but then abandoned the title, wanting to go after the World title instead, so Rock was basically given the IC title back without winning it. Yet, despite being a loser in the ring, Rock had the arrogance of a great winner, which is what made his charactor so great and what made him such a great heel. The people's elbow was sort of the embodiment of this concept, a big fuss made over a small move, which was a metaphor of sorts for the Rock himself. He made a big fuss about himself, but he sucked in the ring. This was all eventually phased out and Rock became a winner in the ring. But if you don't appreciate this backstory, then yeah, the people's elbow would seem pretty stupid. This would mean!!!!! Christian is your next worldchamp who's loved by the MILLIONS................ and MILLIONS of his peeps. All he needs now is a ridiculous slow and showy move.
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Post by Marksus on Sept 17, 2005 12:43:58 GMT -5
In further defense of the People's Elbow: Rock invented the People's Elbow during his heel days as IC champ/Junior Nation Member in late 97/early 98. In those days, Rock's arrogance to talent ratio was way out of wack. He couldn't win a match cleanly to save his life. I forget exactly how he won the IC title, but he always held onto it by DQ or some other form of cheating. He was totally dominated in his feuds with Steve Austin and then Ken Shamrock, but he somehow managed to keep the belt, always by cheating or by some fluke. Remember Austin beat him for the title, but then abandoned the title, wanting to go after the World title instead, so Rock was basically given the IC title back without winning it. Yet, despite being a loser in the ring, Rock had the arrogance of a great winner, which is what made his charactor so great and what made him such a great heel. The people's elbow was sort of the embodiment of this concept, a big fuss made over a small move, which was a metaphor of sorts for the Rock himself. He made a big fuss about himself, but he sucked in the ring. This was all eventually phased out and Rock became a winner in the ring. But if you don't appreciate this backstory, then yeah, the people's elbow would seem pretty stupid. This would mean!!!!! Christian is your next worldchamp who's loved by the MILLIONS................ and MILLIONS of his peeps. All he needs now is a ridiculous slow and showy move. Leg, elbow and fist drops are all taken. Christian now has CKD (Christian knee drop) he's gonna be world champ
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Post by Dynamic Dee on Sept 17, 2005 12:47:52 GMT -5
Podraza is dead on about the peoples elbow. It used to be a mid match comedy spot when the Rock was a heel. He did all these exageratted motions and ran off the ropes only to do an elbow. No one jobbed to the elbow during Rock's early heel days. His opponents would kick out after 2. The Rock bottom was his true finisher. Eventually the Rock character became more over and loved by the fans and the People's elbow got over huge as well. Thats when he started using it to finish his matches.
The worm has pretty much the same story as a comedy spot that took off with the fans and eventually became accepted as a finisher.
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Post by Dynamic Dee on Sept 17, 2005 12:49:05 GMT -5
Also, as far in moves in wrestling being contrived, almost every move done would be almost impossible without some help from the other guy taking the move.
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Post by mainsupreme on Sept 17, 2005 12:53:47 GMT -5
This would mean!!!!! Christian is your next worldchamp who's loved by the MILLIONS................ and MILLIONS of his peeps. All he needs now is a ridiculous slow and showy move. Leg, elbow and fist drops are all taken. Christian now has CKD (Christian knee drop) he's gonna be world champ Let's call the move the peepsdrop. He slowly walks into the ropes and bounces back slowly, taunts by beating his own chest, one smirk... BANG kneedrop with an arrogant cover.
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Post by Marksus on Sept 17, 2005 13:07:33 GMT -5
Leg, elbow and fist drops are all taken. Christian now has CKD (Christian knee drop) he's gonna be world champ Let's call the move the peepsdrop. He slowly walks into the ropes and bounces back slowly, taunts by beating his own chest, one smirk... BANG kneedrop with an arrogant cover. Agreed, now we need to let Christian know. Everyone join in sending this move via your thoughts to him.
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Post by Rockhound on Sept 17, 2005 13:55:55 GMT -5
The Clothesline From Hell isn't a bad move at all. It's basically the same as Stan Hansen's Lariat, which broke Bruno Sammartino's neck.
What I find contrived today are moves that used to be finishers back in the day. DDT was probably the sickest finisher when Jake Roberts did it. And Tony Garea & Rick Martel made a career with the sunset flip. Neither of which are used as finishers anymore. Same with the pile driver. Perhaps they aren't flashy enough but at least these the DDT or Pile Driver can hurt you unlike the F-U(about as painfull as a body slam).
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Post by jack22 on Sept 17, 2005 14:02:15 GMT -5
That thing they used to do a lot in the old days. Standing on the turnbuckle and punching the opponent 10 times to the crowd counting.
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Post by Grendel on Sept 17, 2005 14:42:32 GMT -5
Okay, as long as we're talking about contrived moves ...
The loaded forearm finisher that Lex Luger used as The Narcissist. He would do an irish whip, then go off the ropes himself. The opponent would usually have to stop an stand in one spot for the move to be hit.
As for the FIgure Four, Boston Crab, and Scorpion Deathlock kind of moves, if you apply the right kind of leverage, you can cause pain.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2005 15:09:28 GMT -5
The Masterlock.
All you've got to do is put your arms straight up and fall.
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Post by redsox82 on Sept 17, 2005 18:06:48 GMT -5
I always thought RVD's whole, "Why doesn't my opponent hold this chair in front of his face so that I can kick it?" move was pretty unrealistic.
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Post by invaderdave on Sept 17, 2005 18:14:16 GMT -5
You see, Rob would chuck it at his opponent, whose natural instinct made him catch the chair, and a split second later, Rob would spin kick the chair, so I wouldn't say it's that contrived.
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Post by CrOaT.... on Sept 17, 2005 21:22:53 GMT -5
when wrestlers get irish whipped into the corner they act like the turnbuckle hurt them, same when there head gets hit in the turnbuckle to the crowds chanting they apparently got hurt so bad even though the turnbuckles are like pillows, talking about finishers ultimate warriors big splash is now used in the middle of matches with barely any effect, when its clear that the ropes r under a wrestlers arms and were to believe their getting chocked when someone jumps on them
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