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Post by AriadosMan on Aug 4, 2009 10:03:15 GMT -5
Gee, getting over in a feud where you can actually win matches vs a feud where you win NONE? What a surprise! Seriously, Miz was given nothing to work with and it will take a long, long time to take him seriously again. People's reactions in this thread (and to an extent, in the crwods) are indicative of how Miz's RAW push FAILED. The push flopped right out of the gate! Being a continuous thorn in the side of a main eventer is a free ticket. But the crowd was uninterested even when he was on that stupid "Miz = 1, Cena = 0" routine. Hell, just the other week, he straight up clowned the President of the United States and GOT NO SOLD. Even as bad as the E's booking is, how can you blame them for that? I don't remember any significant amount of people saying that The Miz was gonna be special. Unless you're talking solely about the WrestleCrap forums, which is kinda tunnel-visioned. Santino/Miz isn't really the same. Santino had a rather long IC run and wasn't booked vs. Cena. He even won the Vickie feud! Miz was given a role in which he ONLY shot his mouth off. He did not win a single match in the feud. Not ONE. How can you expect anyone to even care who the snork he insults when he can't back it up?
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Post by TheDieselTrain on Aug 4, 2009 10:04:57 GMT -5
You guy are derailing this fine thread.
Miz sucks and I'm glad he's not polluting my monday nights anymore.
Hallelujah!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Mecca on Aug 4, 2009 10:05:46 GMT -5
You guy are derailing this fine thread. Miz sucks and I'm glad he's not polluting my monday nights anymore. Hallelujah!!!!!!!!!!! It's more fun to discuss how Raw can't book properly.
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Post by AriadosMan on Aug 4, 2009 10:05:50 GMT -5
You guy are derailing this fine thread. Miz sucks and I'm glad he's not polluting my monday nights anymore. Hallelujah!!!!!!!!!!! I'm not derailing it. I'm glad he's gone from RAW too so I can actually watch him again ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2009 10:06:51 GMT -5
You guy are derailing this fine thread. Miz sucks and I'm glad he's not polluting my monday nights anymore. Hallelujah!!!!!!!!!!! TESTIFY MY BROTHER PREACH TO THE MASSES!
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Post by sunnytaker on Aug 4, 2009 10:08:46 GMT -5
didn't go through the whole thread to see if anyone else said this but i wonder if they're going to use the loophole that "Miz can;t go to Summerfest." but SummerSLAM he's fine for, later on.
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Post by taylorandborland on Aug 4, 2009 10:08:54 GMT -5
Santino/Miz isn't really the same. Santino had a rather long IC run and wasn't booked vs. Cena. He even won the Vickie feud! Miz was given a role in which he ONLY shot his mouth off. He did not win a single match in the feud. Not ONE. How can you expect anyone to even care who the snork he insults when he can't back it up? Dude...you just described Santino's career TO THE LETTER. Hell, he had it worse than Miz because he had been taking losses to over the hill veterans and girls. At least Miz had the fortune of losing to a 5-time WWE champ. You just said that Santino wasn't booked vs. Cena...career wise, isn't that a disadvantage? Clearly, he's done more with less. I mean, this dude was looking like a bitch against Ron Simmons and Jerry Lawler. His biggest moment to date was dissing a glorified Blockbuster rental for weeks before the retired star of the movie came to kick his ass and marinate him in beer.
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Aug 4, 2009 10:09:43 GMT -5
Good riddance. ...unless one of the GM's orders him to return...
This promotion blows. Seriously.
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Post by stevieraymark on Aug 4, 2009 10:09:55 GMT -5
quote] Dolph Ziggler says hi yup and hes doing a damn fine job. but that has alot to do with not being a cheerleader. That's a booking issue once again...so what is your argument either the guys suck and are jokes or Raws booking is bad and makes them jokes...[/quote] the spirit squad was a good way of getting 5 young guys on tv in a comedy role and giving them the chance to work with dx (and a lot of others) but was never gonna be a long term thing (which was good for the wrestlers involved) the miz wasnt a character created by raw and even with just a name like the miz is hard to take him seriously. plus i dont think hes good enough the spirit squad all seemed to be talented guys. as were seeing now with ziggler but in the cheerleader role they were never going to go further on raw or smackdown
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Post by Mecca on Aug 4, 2009 10:10:12 GMT -5
Santino/Miz isn't really the same. Santino had a rather long IC run and wasn't booked vs. Cena. He even won the Vickie feud! Miz was given a role in which he ONLY shot his mouth off. He did not win a single match in the feud. Not ONE. How can you expect anyone to even care who the snork he insults when he can't back it up? Dude...you just described Santino's career TO THE LETTER. Hell, he had it worse than Miz because he had been taking losses to over the hill veterans and girls. At least Miz had the fortune of losing to a 5-time WWE champ. You just said that Santino wasn't booked vs. Cena...career wise, isn't that a disadvantage? Clearly, he's done more with less. I mean, this dude was looking like a bitch against Ron Simmons and Jerry Lawler I don't think if I was a wrestler I'd desire to have Santino's role so I don't think that's a good example. It's like Hornswoggle those guys are never going to draw money or have people buy PPVs for them or really headline anything.
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Post by Mecca on Aug 4, 2009 10:11:09 GMT -5
yup and hes doing a damn fine job. but that has alot to do with not being a cheerleader. That's a booking issue once again...so what is your argument either the guys suck and are jokes or Raws booking is bad and makes them jokes... the spirit squad was a good way of getting 5 young guys on tv in a comedy role and giving them the chance to work with dx (and a lot of others) but was never gonna be a long term thing (which was good for the wrestlers involved) the miz wasnt a character created by raw and even with just a name like the miz is hard to take him seriously. plus i dont think hes good enough the spirit squad all seemed to be talented guys. as were seeing now with ziggler but in the cheerleader role they were never going to go further on raw or smackdown[/quote] So then you agree that Raw doesn't know how to book and takes talented guys and saddles them with bad gimmicks or puts them in situations that makes them look bad?
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Post by AriadosMan on Aug 4, 2009 10:12:08 GMT -5
Santino/Miz isn't really the same. Santino had a rather long IC run and wasn't booked vs. Cena. He even won the Vickie feud! Miz was given a role in which he ONLY shot his mouth off. He did not win a single match in the feud. Not ONE. How can you expect anyone to even care who the snork he insults when he can't back it up? Dude...you just described Santino's career TO THE LETTER. Hell, he had it worse than Miz because he had been taking losses to over the hill veterans and girls. At least Miz had the fortune of losing to a 5-time WWE champ. You just said that Santino wasn't booked vs. Cena...career wise, isn't that a disadvantage? Clearly, he's done more with less. I mean, this dude was looking like a bitch against Ron Simmons and Jerry Lawler SANTINO. WON. HIS. FEUD. It was with a girl, but still. At this point, not being booked with a RAW main eventer is better for a wrestler's career than being booked with one. If Miz was on Smackdown and had Dolph's push, people would be raving about him, but since he's on RAW, he can't crack the glass ceiling. That, and Santino was never hyped (and subsequently dumped) by the IWC as "the next big thing".
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Post by stevieraymark on Aug 4, 2009 10:12:38 GMT -5
That's a booking issue once again...so what is your argument either the guys suck and are jokes or Raws booking is bad and makes them jokes... the spirit squad was a good way of getting 5 young guys on tv in a comedy role and giving them the chance to work with dx (and a lot of others) but was never gonna be a long term thing (which was good for the wrestlers involved) the miz wasnt a character created by raw and even with just a name like the miz is hard to take him seriously. plus i dont think hes good enough the spirit squad all seemed to be talented guys. as were seeing now with ziggler but in the cheerleader role they were never going to go further on raw or smackdown So then you agree that Raw doesn't know how to book and takes talented guys and saddles them with bad gimmicks or puts them in situations that makes them look bad?[/quote] sometimes yes i have to agree
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Post by Mecca on Aug 4, 2009 10:13:56 GMT -5
the spirit squad was a good way of getting 5 young guys on tv in a comedy role and giving them the chance to work with dx (and a lot of others) but was never gonna be a long term thing (which was good for the wrestlers involved) the miz wasnt a character created by raw and even with just a name like the miz is hard to take him seriously. plus i dont think hes good enough the spirit squad all seemed to be talented guys. as were seeing now with ziggler but in the cheerleader role they were never going to go further on raw or smackdown So then you agree that Raw doesn't know how to book and takes talented guys and saddles them with bad gimmicks or puts them in situations that makes them look bad? sometimes yes i have to agree[/quote] In that case I don't know why we are arguing with each other because that is basically my entire point.
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Post by taylorandborland on Aug 4, 2009 10:16:19 GMT -5
I don't think if I was a wrestler I'd desire to have Santino's role so I don't think that's a good example. The point isn't about his role in the company--the point is about getting over without being put over. let's forget about Cena for a minute. Remember when Miz and Morrison were still together, and how they dominated the entire tag team division for a year? If Miz was so talented, how come he went straight from an unmatched mid-card force to feuding with THE guy and still has trouble keeping the crowd invested?
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Post by Lionheart on Aug 4, 2009 10:16:30 GMT -5
the spirit squad was a good way of getting 5 young guys on tv in a comedy role and giving them the chance to work with dx (and a lot of others) but was never gonna be a long term thing (which was good for the wrestlers involved) the miz wasnt a character created by raw and even with just a name like the miz is hard to take him seriously. plus i dont think hes good enough the spirit squad all seemed to be talented guys. as were seeing now with ziggler but in the cheerleader role they were never going to go further on raw or smackdown So then you agree that Raw doesn't know how to book and takes talented guys and saddles them with bad gimmicks or puts them in situations that makes them look bad? DING DING DING! Oh, and just for kicks I'll point out how asinine it is that the Spirit Squad angle was supposed to be so great for the careers of these "five young guys" who "get to be on TV" and "work with DX" when it's never referred to again. Do you hear the announcers talking about Dolph being part of the Spirit Squad every week? Or even acknowledging it, ever?
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Post by Mecca on Aug 4, 2009 10:18:26 GMT -5
When working with a guy who's been in the mainevent for over a decade and is basically part of management could be considered one of the most detrimental things that could happen to your career....that's a problem.
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Post by AriadosMan on Aug 4, 2009 10:18:45 GMT -5
I don't think if I was a wrestler I'd desire to have Santino's role so I don't think that's a good example. The point isn't about his role in the company--the point is about getting over without being put over. let's forget about Cena for a minute. Remember when Miz and Morrison were still together, and how they dominated the entire tag team division for a year? If Miz was so talented, how come he went straight from an unmatched mid-card force to feuding with THE guy and still has trouble keeping the crowd invested? Because he actually got wins as tag champ instead of constantly talking and then losing every match he was involved in?
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Post by Chainsaw on Aug 4, 2009 10:24:31 GMT -5
I'm glad this thread is actually resulting in some good talk about booking and is being useful, instead of just devolving into a shouting match.
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F*** the Miz, he's terrible at everything he does.
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Post by taylorandborland on Aug 4, 2009 10:26:57 GMT -5
SANTINO. WON. HIS. FEUD. It was with a girl, but still. Yeah, no. First of all Santina Marella was a joke character and you know that. When Santino was actually trying to establish himself as a wrestler back in 2007/08, he never won but still managed to stay over. Again, proof that Miz was seen as the next big thing? I rarely saw people raving over Miz until he started the feud against Cena. Prior to the In Crowd breaking up you were considered an anomaly if you thought Morrison would be Jannettied. ...how does that answer my question? I want to know why Miz was dominating the mid-card for a year, moved on to feuding with Cena and hasn't been consistently over throughout. If he had such untapped potential, something should've gave by now.
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