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Post by eJm on Aug 11, 2009 10:29:47 GMT -5
When Bourne debuted, against Randy Orton, he made a good impression. He was showcased and even in loss.
Ever since then, though, he's just been used as fodder and I'm honestly tired of it.
Every week, you hear Cole and King say 'Oh, look at this Evan Bourne! He's got great skills, so unorthadox, when he lets go, he lets go' and noone thinks to showcase this at all.
Take the match the week after with Kingston. This was the ultimate oppertunity to showcase not just Bourne but Kingston. They're both very good high fliers. But instead of just letting them loose, they spent 75% of the match doing submissions and the infamous headlock spot. Why?! Why not just have these two guys run wild and make the crowd go 'OOOOH!' and 'AHHH!' These guys didn't grow their fanbases by headlocks and submissions, they grew it because they have great height and can make people go 'Wow'. Along with that, who the hell thought getting him killed by Show was a good idea? On his 2nd week, no less!
I was willing to give them a chance and hoping that someone would realise this. And then came the Swaggar series.
I mean, seriously, we know the dude can sell. He sold to Mark Henry, he sold to Swaggar when he faced him on ECW and he sold to other guys there. But he also gained a fanbase. What is the point of having him lose THEN get destroyed? He can counter moves, great, but at the end of the day it doesn't make him look better, it makes him look like he only wins by flukes just like the first Swaggar match.
I'm not expecting him to suddenly dominate Raw and then beat Orton for the WWE title, nor am I expecting him to be pushed to the moon. What I am saying is showcase the guy. Jamie Noble's on the roster, let those two have a series of matches to showcase Bourne's ability. If Kendrick was on the roster, you could have thrown him at Bourne to put him over. Billy Kidman is in FCW, bring him up for a one off match. Heck, even bring in some non contract guys to do it on Superstars if you have to. Give him someone of his style to have a good match with to pretty much say to people 'Look at the moves this kid can do. He is that good.'
To me, it's simple. If you keep going on about how great he is and then don't SHOW why he's great, there is no point to it. Put him back on ECW or send him to Smackdown, just put him somewhere where someone will do something with him.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 11, 2009 10:31:31 GMT -5
How is he fodder? He beat Swagger, and wasn't played up to be a fluke or something, just that Swagger had underestimated him.
It's still the A show, so while it'd be nice if he was somewhere else, he's been doing decently well on Raw.
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Post by eJm on Aug 11, 2009 10:37:38 GMT -5
How is he fodder? He beat Swagger, and wasn't played up to be a fluke or something, just that Swagger had underestimated him. It's still the A show, so while it'd be nice if he was somewhere else, he's been doing decently well on Raw. He beat Swagger once by roll up. Notice that the other two times that he's definatly beaten him. Then assaulted him post match, only to be 'saved' by MVP. He's fodder to me. Show didn't even sell for him when he assaulted both him and Kingston and not made him even look a teeney weeney bit like a threat, which is beyond stupid for someone just coming up. I just find it crazy they say 'When this kid is on fire...watch out!' and not let the kid get to those heights. I'm fine that he's on Raw. But if they're not going to really do anything with him, don't use him. Smackdown or ECW would do great with him.
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Post by 4real on Aug 11, 2009 10:45:27 GMT -5
I don't see a problem with him losing twice to Swagger, quite frankly he should be losing to Swagger anyway. Same with Show, Show should be killing him.
What I do see a problem with is him beating Kofi in a non title match..........and then nothing. Has he asked for a title shot? No. Has he been on the same screen as Kofi since then? I can't remember.
He beat Swagger once, in a shorter time than Cena beat Miz I think, but again nothing. He didn't ask for a title shot. WWE needs to stop giving him big wins if they can't be bothered to do anything with him.
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Aug 11, 2009 10:48:39 GMT -5
He should be taken out of the WWE.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Aug 11, 2009 10:58:30 GMT -5
He should be taken out of the WWE. Did he pee in your cereal or something?
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Post by Dave the Dave on Aug 11, 2009 11:19:14 GMT -5
Yeah, they keep saying Jack was embarrassed by losing to him.
That alone is showing how much faith they have in him.
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Post by Cavs for Mavs Mafia on Aug 11, 2009 11:23:42 GMT -5
He's gotten totally lost in the shuffle on Raw. He was having a good run in ECW and could be a contender on that show. This is exactly what I was afraid was going to happen when he got traded.
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Post by cadlington on Aug 11, 2009 11:23:56 GMT -5
Yeah, they keep saying Jack was embarrassed by losing to him. That alone is showing how much faith they have in him. Really? You wouldn't be embarassed if someone half your size beat you in a match, even if it was a by a surprise roll up? You read WAY too much into things. This whole thread is BAAAAAAWWW. Evan Bourne isn't going to beat Swagger in a fair fight, he's doesn't get Rey Mysterio's magical ability to beat people twice his size, wake up.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 11, 2009 11:26:47 GMT -5
Yeah, they keep saying Jack was embarrassed by losing to him. That alone is showing how much faith they have in him. Considering the titles don't change hands in normal matches, they have to have SOMETHING on the line. If they don't give a crap if they lose, why would they bother kicking out? Makes sense for it to be a matter of pride.
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Post by eJm on Aug 11, 2009 11:32:41 GMT -5
This whole thread is BAAAAAAWWW. Evan Bourne isn't going to beat Swagger in a fair fight, he's doesn't get Rey Mysterio's magical ability to beat people twice his size, wake up. But why should we care about Bourne if he loses to Swaggar/Show every week? Why couldn't they just put him in a fued with Kingston and have them entertain the crowd? As I said, he shouldn't dominate Swaggar, nor am I expecting him to. I just want them to stop going 'Look at Bourne and how great he is' if you aren't going to SHOW people why he's so great. If he's losing to Swagger week in and week out, you're not showcasing him. You're just showing he sells really really well.
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Aug 11, 2009 11:33:01 GMT -5
He should be taken out of the WWE. Did he pee in your cereal or something? No, he's just a waste of space.
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Post by cadlington on Aug 11, 2009 11:37:59 GMT -5
This whole thread is BAAAAAAWWW. Evan Bourne isn't going to beat Swagger in a fair fight, he's doesn't get Rey Mysterio's magical ability to beat people twice his size, wake up. But why should we care about Bourne if he loses to Swaggar/Show every week? Why couldn't they just put him in a fued with Kingston and have them entertain the crowd? As I said, he shouldn't dominate Swaggar, nor am I expecting him to. I just want them to stop going 'Look at Bourne and how great he is' if you aren't going to SHOW people why he's so great. If he's losing to Swagger week in and week out, you're not showcasing him. You're just showing he sells really really well. Did you even... y'know, watch the match? I'm just curious. Bourne got in probably more offense than Swagger did, and f***ed the guy up his fair share of the match. And... no. The reason Kingston and Bourne don't feud is pretty basic; faces don't tend to feud against eachother. That's 101-quality facts, guy.
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Post by parder on Aug 11, 2009 11:39:44 GMT -5
Did he pee in your cereal or something? No, he's just a waste of space. But he's CM Punk's favourite wrestler in WWE.
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Post by eJm on Aug 11, 2009 11:45:29 GMT -5
But why should we care about Bourne if he loses to Swaggar/Show every week? Why couldn't they just put him in a fued with Kingston and have them entertain the crowd? As I said, he shouldn't dominate Swaggar, nor am I expecting him to. I just want them to stop going 'Look at Bourne and how great he is' if you aren't going to SHOW people why he's so great. If he's losing to Swagger week in and week out, you're not showcasing him. You're just showing he sells really really well. Did you even... y'know, watch the match? I'm just curious. Bourne got in probably more offense than Swagger did, and f***ed the guy up his fair share of the match. And... no. The reason Kingston and Bourne don't feud is pretty basic; faces don't tend to feud against eachother. That's 101-quality facts, guy. I did. It was the same cliche'd stuff as before. Bourne gets offence in, Bourne sells well, Bourne loses. Great. It doesn't show me why I should care for him if he faces the same guy and loses every week. Fine then, use Chavo. Chavo's good, Bourne's good, have them go at it for a tiny bit.
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Post by WWE Trademarked My Name on Aug 11, 2009 12:08:35 GMT -5
Did you even... y'know, watch the match? I'm just curious. Bourne got in probably more offense than Swagger did, and f***ed the guy up his fair share of the match. And... no. The reason Kingston and Bourne don't feud is pretty basic; faces don't tend to feud against eachother. That's 101-quality facts, guy. I did. It was the same cliche'd stuff as before. Bourne gets offence in, Bourne sells well, Bourne loses. Great. It doesn't show me why I should care for him if he faces the same guy and loses every week. Fine then, use Chavo. Chavo's good, Bourne's good, have them go at it for a tiny bit. So you want Evan Bourne to gain some credibility by feuding with Chavo? The same Chavo who had been getting beat week after week by Hornswoggle and really has no credibility himself?
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Aug 11, 2009 12:14:10 GMT -5
No, he's just a waste of space. But he's CM Punk's favourite wrestler in WWE. So? Stone Cold mentored Mr. Kennedy, look at Kennedy Kennedy now.
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Post by eJm on Aug 11, 2009 12:19:15 GMT -5
I did. It was the same cliche'd stuff as before. Bourne gets offence in, Bourne sells well, Bourne loses. Great. It doesn't show me why I should care for him if he faces the same guy and loses every week. Fine then, use Chavo. Chavo's good, Bourne's good, have them go at it for a tiny bit. So you want Evan Bourne to gain some credibility by feuding with Chavo? The same Chavo who had been getting beat week after week by Hornswoggle and really has no credibility himself? In his defence, he's more over then he's ever been thanks to the fact everyone boos a guy who dropkicks/punches a migit in the face. But what I am saying is, put him with someone like him. Chavo is like Bourne and is also a heel. That's why I picked him. You can put in your own choice, but my point stands.
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Post by Capt. Internet Darling on Aug 11, 2009 12:23:35 GMT -5
I don't see a problem with him losing twice to Swagger, quite frankly he should be losing to Swagger anyway. Same with Show, Show should be killing him. What I do see a problem with is him beating Kofi in a non title match..........and then nothing. Has he asked for a title shot? No. Has he been on the same screen as Kofi since then? I can't remember.
He beat Swagger once, in a shorter time than Cena beat Miz I think, but again nothing. He didn't ask for a title shot. WWE needs to stop giving him big wins if they can't be bothered to do anything with him.All of this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2009 12:28:06 GMT -5
I would mark a great deal for a series of Noble/Bourne matches that were each given some time.
Too bad there's no velocity/heat for this stuff anymore. It could be a sweet undercard match on superstars I guess.
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