londonfan
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Post by londonfan on Aug 10, 2009 11:38:56 GMT -5
DDP was an overrated, god awful looking man who got a far bigger push in both WCW and WWE than he ever deserved. He's lucky Vince even gave him a pay check. Did you ever see his match with Goldberg, by any chance? Or most of his WCW work? DDP was a damn good worker and was hugely over for a long time in WCW, and no amount of McMahon retconning can take that away from him. Yes. And I stand by my statement that he was overrated. I'll have to strongly disagree that he was a damn good worker.
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AriadosMan
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Post by AriadosMan on Aug 10, 2009 11:42:56 GMT -5
He was more over IN THE MIDCARD than most of the current RAW roster not named "Cena" is today. When he charged out through the crowd, everybody was putting up DDP hand signs. And he could easily do a 40 minute match. He WAS that damn good and not "overrated" (god I hate that word).
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Post by GaTechGrad on Aug 10, 2009 11:43:37 GMT -5
Those first two videos just illustrate how much of a joke WWF turned DDP into. They wanted him to be a Stuart Smalley clone (who is actually a US Senator from Minnesota now).
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Post by Jimmy King on Aug 10, 2009 11:43:58 GMT -5
More overrated talk
Overrated by who? The internet always talked shit on him and talked about he wasn't a good worker.
The FANS liked him and paid to see him. I guess the fans overrated him...
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Post by GaTechGrad on Aug 10, 2009 11:48:44 GMT -5
And that hypocrite Flair should shut the snork up, nobody would care about him if it weren't for WCW. Flair bashing WCW is as silly as Hogan bashing WWE. Flair lost all credibility in my book because he ranted on the final Nitro against the WWF and Vince McMahon... and then 7 months later, he was kissing McMahon's butt and working in the WWF.
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Post by Bong Buster Bundy on Aug 10, 2009 11:49:17 GMT -5
I can't believe how well the crowd responded to this video! Maybe DDP was really getting over with this gimmick. Or, maybe it just goes to show that a chick bending in half will make the crowd cheer for anything. The response to that first video was shockingly good, could it be a case of WWE dubbing it in? Although the video is VERY amusing. It's a shame he became a midcarder in WWE, even though he retired due to mounting injuries it was clear he wasn't going to make his way back up the card. And from what I've seen of his tenure in WCW (I'm watching WCW for the first time from the first Nitro to the last, up to late '96 now), the dude deserved his push, as a heel fans were starting to really get behind him and the Diamond Cutter finisher is over big time, even if he got a push because of who his neighbour was, his talent in and out of the ring more than justified it.
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Post by diegorivera on Aug 10, 2009 11:58:59 GMT -5
Never saw the big deal with DDP. Hard working? Yeah. Decent between the ropes? Sure. Okay on the stick? Good enough. But really, he got a push because he was in tight with Bischoff and he was over because he stood in opposition to the nWo and got a great rub from the Malone/Rodman and Leno matches even though people bag on them today. Page was over when WCW was red hot. When things cooled, surprise, Page ceased to be so popular. Compare that to guys like Hogan, Flair and Goldberg who could still draw ratings and crowd pops rivaling Austin or Rock even when the WWF was kicking WCWs head in.
He still deserved better from the invasion, but really, the invasion itself should have been better. Page was just one of the casualties, and really, he came out of it a lot better than most.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 10, 2009 12:09:26 GMT -5
Good people are stupid,just because someone has backstage relations doesnt mean its the only danm reason
HE WAS OVER AS HELL,Triple H now is less over than him!Cena is less over than him was!
Backstage Relation could have helped him?yes
But it doesnt mean its only because that
ALOT of people had backstage relations and never got over as he was
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Post by Mecca on Aug 10, 2009 12:21:56 GMT -5
If you had any idea how over DDP was during the height of WCW no one would be remotely calling him shitty or overrated.
DDP was more over than anyone currently wrestling. He had this weird charisma about him that everyone responded to and he was always at the very worst good enough in the ring he didn't have bad matches.
This isn't some shit guy who got jammed down everyone's throats because he was Bisch's friend. When he got pushed people responded to it, there wasn't a negative reaction to his push at all.
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Post by S-Chrome on Aug 10, 2009 12:39:07 GMT -5
Meh, he wasn't billed as the People's Champion in WCW for no reason.
There's a good deal of convenient amnesia dealing with WCW between 1997-99.
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AriadosMan
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Post by AriadosMan on Aug 10, 2009 12:40:47 GMT -5
More like 1996-1999 to be completely accurate.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 10, 2009 12:47:15 GMT -5
I can't believe how well the crowd responded to this video! Maybe DDP was really getting over with this gimmick. Or, maybe it just goes to show that a chick bending in half will make the crowd cheer for anything. The response to that first video was shockingly good, could it be a case of WWE dubbing it in? Although the video is VERY amusing. I doubt it was dubbed. It was the Attitude Era. Fans would have reacted if they put for a mop bucket of soapy water in the middle of the ring for an hour. They didn't even need the mop, that was drawing pops of its own.
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Post by Mecca on Aug 10, 2009 12:48:52 GMT -5
If the WWE was going to dub for a guy it wouldn't have been a dude who was a megastar in the other company when they were busy trying to make them all look bad.
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Post by blazinblueberry on Aug 10, 2009 12:51:06 GMT -5
I'm on and off with him. Back when I first started liking wrestling he was insanely over, and I liked him a lot. After his feud with the nWo and he started up the Jersey Triad I got sick and tired of him. I was really really upset that the WWE didn't use him as a top talent in the Invasion, which makes me think, how did Booker escape that fiasco as the only one who got pushed (aside from RVD, who got over on his own accord)? I really think DDP should have been a bigger threat in the Invasion, instead of Euro title filler.
Looking back, those vignettes are funny. But I don't think they are wrestling funny, they are mediocre comedy sketch show funny.
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Post by GregP19 on Aug 10, 2009 12:53:04 GMT -5
I won't say he's overrated, as I was a big mark for him in 96-97, but those who were pushing for him (and other WCW guys) to go over Austin, Rock, Taker, etc. in 2001 were delusional. Maybe it's the WWF/E loyalist in me that Loved the inVasion talking (which is another thread entirely)
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Post by Mecca on Aug 10, 2009 13:01:25 GMT -5
I think he should have gotten a program with Austin or Rock even if he didn't go over if he was allowed to do his WCW character it would have been money.
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Post by jfpierce on Aug 10, 2009 13:33:10 GMT -5
I won't say he's overrated, as I was a big mark for him in 96-97, but those who were pushing for him (and other WCW guys) to go over Austin, Rock, Taker, etc. in 2001 were delusional. Maybe it's the WWF/E loyalist in me that Loved the inVasion talking (which is another thread entirely) There is a middle ground between not going over Austin and losing to Mrs. Undertaker. DDP, unlike Hogan, Steiner, Goldberg, etc. gave up a lot of free money from Time Warner to go be part of the Invasion. To then deny a guy who was still very over a push because of the company he used to work for was the height of pettiness.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 10, 2009 13:53:48 GMT -5
This thread reeks of "I never watched WCW so I am going to go by what WWE, the internet, and wrestlers in shoot videos say."
DDP was a GREAT worker. He was one of the few guys who had a fantastic match with Goldberg, if that tells you anything.
He was incredibly over with the fans and it wasn't because he was shoved down peoples throats. If you had actually ever watched WCW, you would know that he spent a lot of his time in midcard feuds or being beaten down by the nWo. How is having a hot feud with Randy Savage or losing the US Title to Raven being shoved down anyones throats?
Great worker and great talker. Bret Hart was very close to Vince too, did he only get a push because of that? Give me a break.
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Post by Mecca on Aug 10, 2009 14:08:02 GMT -5
We're a decade from WCW's boom I think it is safe to say there are a lot of fans now that never saw it first hand.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 10, 2009 14:11:18 GMT -5
We're a decade from WCW's boom I think it is safe to say there are a lot of fans now that never saw it first hand. I agree, but those fans should probably watch actual footage or research a little before they blurt out uneducated opinions.
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