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Post by Jay Carroll on Sept 14, 2009 20:54:04 GMT -5
Paul Heyman's speech about Vince McMahon the Smackdown! before Survivor Series 2001 wasn't only right, it was prophetic in a lot of ways.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Sept 14, 2009 21:16:30 GMT -5
I posted this once before, but I think it fits.
Jericho is encouraging us to expand our vocabulary, CM Punk is telling us to just say no, Edge encourages us to take advantage of every opportunity that life gives you, Dolph Ziggler reminds us to be polite and properly introduce yourself. On the other hand, John Cena encourages 5 knuckle shuffles, Triple H is breaking houses and hitting people with sledgehammers, Jeff Hardy jumps off high structures, and Batista demands things that he doesn't earn! The Heels are right!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2009 21:20:00 GMT -5
At the same time
Jericho talks down to everyone CM Punk forces his own beliefs down others throats Edge regularly cheats to win Dolph Ziggler uses Women
On the other hand John Cena refuses to give up Triple H is protecting his family Jeff Hardy is living his childhood dream and Batista regularly earns his shots in matches
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Post by gabou142 on Sept 14, 2009 21:27:08 GMT -5
HBK vs Hogan in 2005...just about everything that Michaels said was the truth..except that it was kind of ironic that it came from HBK.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Sept 14, 2009 21:33:12 GMT -5
Chris Jericho accusing Michaels of faking an injury. I still don't get why he was the heel there. Especially when HBK even said he was faking the injury.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Sept 14, 2009 21:33:50 GMT -5
HBK vs Hogan in 2005...just about everything that Michaels said was the truth..except that it was kind of ironic that it came from HBK. And didn't Hogan say some things about HBK that was also true?
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Post by Real Folk Bruce on Sept 14, 2009 22:33:34 GMT -5
Mick Foley trying to save Tommy Dreamer from ignorant obnoxious "smart" fans so he doesn't end up like Dynamite or Misawa. HOW EVIL.
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Post by skiller on Sept 14, 2009 22:36:30 GMT -5
Where did this come from? Where have they made it appear like Dolph is using Maria?
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Post by chunkylover53 on Sept 14, 2009 23:20:52 GMT -5
1.Sid eliminates Hogan fair and square(though sneak he snuck up behind him, he was just following the every man for himself logic). Surprisingly enough, Gorilla Monsoon did not vouch for Hogan like usual.
2.Hogan throws a hissyfit because his friend betrayed him in a match where ITS EVERYMAN FOR HIMSELF. And helps Ric Flair eliminate him. Not to mention 3 years earlier he did the same to Randy Savage(albeit by accident) and telling him that logic.
3.Gets awarded a title match at Wrestlemania VIII against Ric Flair and boasts about it a little bit, rubbing it in.
4.Sid addresses that since he was the runner up, he should be facing the champion.
Then after that, Sid turns on Hogan and starts doing heelish things leading into their match at Wrestlemania.
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Post by andrewgilkison on Sept 14, 2009 23:34:02 GMT -5
Owen Hart when he turned on Bret at the Royal Rumble 1994. Bret DID make a very stupid and selfish decision by trying to win the Tag titles on his own instead of tagging Owen in, and yet Owen was the bad guy in that situation?
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Post by lmagicdancer1 on Sept 14, 2009 23:35:58 GMT -5
Randy Orton during the hhh fued before it turned stupid. HHH and his whole(Unsympathetic) family taunted Orton before he finally retaliated. Not to mention it was hhh who started the fued in the first place by turning on him.
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Post by skiller on Sept 14, 2009 23:43:14 GMT -5
Randy Orton during the hhh fued before it turned stupid. HHH and his whole(Unsympathetic) family taunted Orton before he finally retaliated. Not to mention it was hhh who started the fued in the first place by turning on him. The thing that got me about that first segment was how hypocritical the McMahons came across as. They force Jericho to humiliate himsaelf as well as apologise. But when Randy demands an apology for Steph physically assaulting him, they refuse and threaten to fire him. We were supposed to feel bad for these people when this whole issue started because they were too proud?
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Post by Kroot bringing Justice on Sept 14, 2009 23:49:37 GMT -5
Randy Orton during the hhh fued before it turned stupid. HHH and his whole(Unsympathetic) family taunted Orton before he finally retaliated. Not to mention it was hhh who started the fued in the first place by turning on him. The thing that got me about that first segment was how hypocritical the McMahons came across as. They force Jericho to humiliate himsaelf as well as apologise. But when Randy demands an apology for Steph physically assaulting him, they refuse and threaten to fire him. We were supposed to feel bad for these people when this whole issue started because they were too proud? The McMahons should never be in the face spotlight ever.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Sept 15, 2009 3:12:53 GMT -5
Stephanie McMahon was a heel for betraying her father and brother and aligning herself with Triple H. Yep, she was a heel for going against the men whom had her stalked, and abducted twice just so Vince could get back at Stone Cold.
I never understood why we were supposed to feel sorry for Vince and Shane, and hate Steph.
Hell, The Black Wedding itself, is the ultimate example of a heel turn being completely justified.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 15, 2009 3:20:19 GMT -5
Stephanie McMahon was a heel for betraying her father and brother and aligning herself with Triple H. Yep, she was a heel for going against the men whom had her stalked, and abducted twice just so Vince could get back at Stone Cold. I never understood why we were supposed to feel sorry for Vince and Shane, and hate Steph. Hell, The Black Wedding itself, is the ultimate example of a heel turn being completely justified. Reminds me of Foley joking that everyone backstage was cheering Triple H, if nothing else for the absurdity of stuff like Test coming out to entrance music as his own wedding.
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Post by Tapout on Sept 15, 2009 3:28:27 GMT -5
I posted this once before, but I think it fits. Jericho is encouraging us to expand our vocabulary, CM Punk is telling us to just say no, Edge encourages us to take advantage of every opportunity that life gives you, Dolph Ziggler reminds us to be polite and properly introduce yourself. On the other hand, John Cena encourages 5 knuckle shuffles, Triple H is breaking houses and hitting people with sledgehammers, Jeff Hardy jumps off high structures, and Batista demands things that he doesn't earn! The Heels are right! No, it's true. There's that and all of Smackdown 2008, where the glorious babyfaces Undertaker and "Big" Dave Batista were attacking a defenseless crippled woman in a wheelchair, Vickie, and getting cheered for it. Kid-friendly programming but not really setting a great example for the kiddies.
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Post by CMWaters on Sept 15, 2009 3:30:20 GMT -5
How about Randy Savage during the whole build-up to WrestleMania V, where he was accusing Hogan of stalking Elizabeth to get a title match and such.
More recently...a semi "Heel is right" thing: why was Angle not kept face the night after Survivor Series 2001, since he had helped save the WWF from being beaten by The Alliance?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2009 4:09:05 GMT -5
How about Randy Savage during the whole build-up to WrestleMania V, where he was accusing Hogan of stalking Elizabeth to get a title match and such. More recently...a semi "Heel is right" thing: why was Angle not kept face the night after Survivor Series 2001, since he had helped save the WWF from being beaten by The Alliance? To this day I'm trying to figure out why Angle stayed heel and Austin suddenly went face after that.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Sept 15, 2009 7:28:53 GMT -5
Most of Hogan's feuds, especially Andre and Savage. Even as kids how could we not see what a dick Hogan was?
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Sept 15, 2009 8:11:38 GMT -5
HBK vs Hogan in 2005...just about everything that Michaels said was the truth..except that it was kind of ironic that it came from HBK. And didn't Hogan say some things about HBK that was also true? yeah he did, he called HBK out for "losing his smile", but hey, it's Hogan so people tend to forget that part. to be fair HBK was a lot funnier about it.
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