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Post by MGH on Sept 15, 2009 18:32:29 GMT -5
Since others are talking about different wrestlers, I guess if I had an overall list together right now I'd go with:
1) Jericho 2) Punk 3) Rey Mysterio 4) Jeff Hardy 5) Edge (though since he'll miss the rest of the year, this spot won't last.)
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Post by wasimperviz on Sept 15, 2009 18:35:56 GMT -5
Does anyone think Punk will turn into one of the biggest heels ever over time?
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Post by MGH on Sept 15, 2009 18:41:44 GMT -5
Does anyone think Punk will turn into one of the biggest heels ever over time? Depends on which way you want to look at it. If it's just from a personal enjoyment standpoint, then oh yes, for sure. His promos now really touch a nerve with people, and he's so good at getting across the "I'm better than every one of you people" vibe in what he says. His character is in that cool heel area, but the second he lets loose on the beer and cigarette speeches, it will turn every person in the arena drinking a beer against him. So from a personal perspective, yeah. If they push him strong for years he'll be legendary as a personality. As far as biggest heel in the business perspective, eh. Not that it would be his fault mind you, but to be a Piper, McMahon, Hollywood Hogan, Rock, etc. there would have to be more people watching and essentially another boom period. No one single person can cause that on their own now. If WWE became the cool thing to watch again and Punk was still rolling strong, then yes. That's a lot of "what if" though.
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Post by wasimperviz on Sept 15, 2009 18:44:19 GMT -5
Does anyone think Punk will turn into one of the biggest heels ever over time? Depends on which way you want to look at it. If it's just from a personal enjoyment standpoint, then oh yes, for sure. His promos now really touch a nerve with people, and he's so good at getting across the "I'm better than every one of you people" vibe in what he says. His character is in that cool heel area, but the second he lets loose on the beer and cigarette speeches, it will turn every person in the arena drinking a beer against him. So from a personal perspective, yeah. If they push him strong for years he'll be legendary as a personality. As far as biggest heel in the business perspective, eh. Not that it would be his fault mind you, but to be a Piper, McMahon, Hollywood Hogan, Rock, etc. there would have to be more people watching and essentially another boom period. No one single person can cause that on their own now. If WWE became the cool thing to watch again and Punk was still rolling strong, then yes. That's a lot of "what if" though. I feel Punk can take WWE to a never level not right now but with some work as a heel. He is really good at the moment and a fresh new heel. I can see him only getting far better. If he does not become a huge heel he will still be a decent heel. He reminds me of Bret Hart in ways because he can wrestle and speaks the truth yet the crowd boo him.
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Post by taylorandborland on Sept 15, 2009 18:50:20 GMT -5
As far as Punk's promos go, before he turned heel his were as generic as they came.
Now he's had one feud as a heel so far, and let's face it, destroying Jeff Hardy verbally is like shooting fish in a barrel. Let's see how he does against somebody who's entire life isn't tailored for his shtick, then we'll talk.
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Post by Chainsaw on Sept 15, 2009 18:50:27 GMT -5
Obviously, Wrestler Of The Year is John Cena, because OHMIGOD JOHN CENA IS SOOOOOO HAWTTT!!!! Anyway, in my mind, it goes to Punk. He was somewhat floundering before he won MITB, cashing it in against Jeff and starting a slow build to being the top heel in WWE and losing and winning back his title in what is perhaps the Feud Of The Year. He has really come on since shedding his good guy attitude, and now we're seeing a dangerous man starting to build. Jericho, while on a roll as well, has had to deal with losing his original partner and facing some honestly weak competition in the defense of the World Tag Titles. Getting Show as his partner does give him credence, but everything Jericho's done still feels like it's been to set him up as a foil for the faces. Without being in the hunt for the WWE Championship, it's hard to make a case, despite the great matches he's had so far this year, that this is Jericho's year, especially after last year's phenominal run.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Sept 15, 2009 18:57:29 GMT -5
It's gotta be Jericho. I am a huge Punk fan but, until the move to Smackdown, he was rather unimpressive. Since the move to Smackdown, he's been good but, it wasn't great until recently. Jericho had a solid first part of the year, worked a great old timers program and had a great match with Ricky Steamboat. Since then, he has saved the IC belt, working on the tag belts as well as Big Show and turned Edge face.
It's been Jericho's year easily.
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Post by wasimperviz on Sept 15, 2009 19:00:01 GMT -5
It's gotta be Jericho. I am a huge Punk fan but, until the move to Smackdown, he was rather unimpressive. Since the move to Smackdown, he's been good but, it wasn't great until recently. Jericho had a solid first part of the year, worked a great old timers program and had a great match with Ricky Steamboat. Since then, he has saved the IC belt, working on the tag belts as well as Big Show and turned Edge face. It's been Jericho's year easily. If Y2J was could as Punk he would be doing a lot more. While he has tag team matches Punk is the main event and the world champion.
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Post by MGH on Sept 15, 2009 19:07:34 GMT -5
It's gotta be Jericho. I am a huge Punk fan but, until the move to Smackdown, he was rather unimpressive. Since the move to Smackdown, he's been good but, it wasn't great until recently. Jericho had a solid first part of the year, worked a great old timers program and had a great match with Ricky Steamboat. Since then, he has saved the IC belt, working on the tag belts as well as Big Show and turned Edge face. It's been Jericho's year easily. If Y2J was could as Punk he would be doing a lot more. While he has tag team matches Punk is the main event and the world champion. I'm not sure I follow. Jericho was just World Champion on Raw last year, and was in the SD main event after the draft until he was paired off with Rey. Edge won the tag titles before he got hurt. Does that suddenly mean he isn't main event material anymore?
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Post by taylorandborland on Sept 15, 2009 19:09:17 GMT -5
It's gotta be Jericho. I am a huge Punk fan but, until the move to Smackdown, he was rather unimpressive. Since the move to Smackdown, he's been good but, it wasn't great until recently. Jericho had a solid first part of the year, worked a great old timers program and had a great match with Ricky Steamboat. Since then, he has saved the IC belt, working on the tag belts as well as Big Show and turned Edge face. It's been Jericho's year easily. If Y2J was could as Punk he would be doing a lot more. While he has tag team matches Punk is the main event and the world champion. Card placement does not equal talent. I hate both Jericho* and Punk, but ever since his original angle with HBK fizzled out, Jericho's worked to keep his game up. Punk has been given everything on a silver platter within the E. They've been continually pushing him forward from the get go. Money in the Banks, WrestleMania victories, looking strong over damn near everybody... Jericho has done more with less. *this only refers to current heel Jericho, his promos are channel change status. Ayatollah of Rock n Rolla Jericho is okay.
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Post by wasimperviz on Sept 15, 2009 19:20:31 GMT -5
If Y2J was could as Punk he would be doing a lot more. While he has tag team matches Punk is the main event and the world champion. I'm not sure I follow. Jericho was just World Champion on Raw last year, and was in the SD main event after the draft until he was paired off with Rey. Edge won the tag titles before he got hurt. Does that suddenly mean he isn't main event material anymore? Y2J is a big name and can main event but right now no he is not a main eventer right now he is a tag team champion working tag matches at PPVs. Punk is main eventing the big matches. I order the PPV for the big matches not a Y2J tag team match. Right now Punk is better but Y2J can become real good if he returns to single action.
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Post by The OP on Sept 15, 2009 19:42:18 GMT -5
I went with Jericho. I think he's been WWE's most valuable wrestler in terms of staying healthy, and being able to be put in any role and make it work. If they need someone to main event they can use Jericho, if they need someone to carry a midcard feud, Jericho can make it work. And as has been said, the IC title and the tag belts have become more valuable due in large part to Jericho's efforts.
Also, as great as Punk has been, I think Jeff Hardy deserves some of the credit for really putting Punk over and helping establish him as a top guy. He's a tremendous talent, but he's not established enough with the fans to have made something work with just anyone. Jericho on the other hand is the one who has done the most to make whatever he's been involved in work. Although the effort of Rey Mysterio shouldn't be overlooked in helping elevate the IC title.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 15, 2009 22:10:29 GMT -5
Punk.
If this was 2008, I'd give it to Jericho, since he had a REALLY good year. But I don't think he's done nearly as much this year that's of note versus the year Punk's had so far.
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Post by wasimperviz on Sept 16, 2009 10:14:56 GMT -5
Punk. If this was 2008, I'd give it to Jericho, since he had a REALLY good year. But I don't think he's done nearly as much this year that's of note versus the year Punk's had so far. Even if you have Y2J 2008 vs Punk 2009 best year I still give it to Punk.
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Sept 16, 2009 10:31:52 GMT -5
I personally prefer Jericho ATM, the man has become like HBK in the respect that he could have a 5 star match with a broom at this point AND put the broom over a legitimate contender.
That said, Punk is there in promos, and in MOST of his in-ring competition, go back to the Anaconda Vice full time and we'll be in business, I just think that is a far better and believable finisher than the GTS.
Overall tho, Jericho is a great competitor, so much so that it seems WWE is actively trying to get him on both main shows every week.
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Post by wasimperviz on Sept 16, 2009 10:33:12 GMT -5
I personally prefer Jericho ATM, the man has become like HBK in the respect that he could have a 5 star match with a broom at this point AND put the broom over a legitimate contender. That said, Punk is there in promos, and in MOST of his in-ring competition, go back to the Anaconda Vice full time and we'll be in business, I just think that is a far better and believable finisher than the GTS. Overall tho, Jericho is a great competitor, so much so that it seems WWE is actively trying to get him on both main shows every week. Why would you go for Y2J? I mean come on he is not doing great at the moment while Punk is at his peak.
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Post by stevieraymark on Sept 16, 2009 10:39:28 GMT -5
I wouldnt give either of them WOTY but if its between these two then its Jericho without a doubt. Hasnt had a bad match all year, Whereas Punk was mediocre up until June/July (admittedly could be down to his character/booking) Had a great feud with Jeff, but thats it. Punks match with Matt Hardy was easily Smackdowns worst main event post brand split.
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Post by wasimperviz on Sept 16, 2009 10:44:53 GMT -5
I wouldnt give either of them WOTY but if its between these two then its Jericho without a doubt. Hasnt had a bad match all year, Whereas Punk was mediocre up until June/July (admittedly could be down to his character/booking) Had a great feud with Jeff, but thats it. Punks match with Matt Hardy was easily Smackdowns worst main event post brand split. His matches with Matt were not that bad. I mean they were ok not great but not bad.
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Post by Gregor-2012 on Sept 16, 2009 10:47:47 GMT -5
I gonna say Punk just for his promos and a consistent match quality. However i would put Rey Mysterio over Jericho at the moment, simply because Rey has had many of the best matches this year, many of them with Jericho but also with Ziggler and Morrison. If Rey's promo work was better i'd say he was WOTY.
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Post by wasimperviz on Sept 16, 2009 10:51:55 GMT -5
I gonna say Punk just for his promos and a consistent match quality. However i would put Rey Mysterio over Jericho at the moment, simply because Rey has had many of the best matches this year, many of them with Jericho but also with Ziggler and Morrison. If Rey's promo work was better i'd say he was WOTY. Yes I would also put Rey above Y2J. Y2J has done great on Smackdown but right now he is not doing well at all. He may have a chance to still be better then Punk but needs to get away from the tag team scene.
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