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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Aug 31, 2009 14:57:01 GMT -5
Yes. Exhibit A. Not to mention, Undertaker has been booked as the most unbeatable, dominant entity in the history of the entire existence of mankind, that no fan would buy it. If Undertaker taps out to Punk, forget the riot, the whole space/time continuum might collapse. So...everyone's cool with Kurt Angle, also a pretty small guy, forcing Hulk Hogan to tap out to the Angle Lock, but if Punk forces the Deadman to tap, we riot? Wasn't there a thread a while back that said just because a guy is small, it doesn't mean he can't pack a whallop of a punch? I think we need to stop judging a book by it's cover. Seriously, even if we ARE going to see Punk force Taker to submit, I'm not asking for a five minute match. Give Taker plenty of time to get tired out or something, and when Punk gets him in a submission, just have Undertaker struggle and not immediately tap out. As much as it killsme to admit this, I'm pretty sure WWE will know what they're doing with this match, guys. Calm down. Well its mroe that Kurt Angle was built as a submission specialist. That his ankle lock was a force of destruction. In Punk's case if he just broke out the Vice it would be like "Hey remember this move its still pretty effective" If he used 50/50 GTS and AV than maybe it would come off better.
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Post by delurked on Aug 31, 2009 15:16:56 GMT -5
Who has made the Undertaker tap out in his career? Angle, maybe?
Who has Punk made tap out in his career in the WWE? I can't think of anyone.
It seems pretty unlikely the wrestler whose never been booked as having an impressive submission finisher is going to get the unstoppable monster who feels no pain to say "uncle."
My guess: the match ends in a DQ thanks to a Hart Dynasty run in.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Aug 31, 2009 15:17:39 GMT -5
The only other thing I could think is start Undertaker's next program during this program, almost a re-hash of the initial Kane storyline.
I have no idea who it would be against, but I could see Undertaker getting knocked out during the Breaking Point match... Punk locks on the Anaconda Vice and since Undertaker is already unconscious, the match ends.
Teddy Long comes out on Smackdown and says there's only one way to make sure it's a fair match and that's to include it in the Hell In The Cell PPV where nobody can interfere. In that, Punk does have a good shot at actually retaining clean as I see Undertaker losing by pinfall way before he taps out. It'd have to be a super-hard fought match, and Punk would have to eek out the win at the end... but they could do that, cement Punk as the top heel and a solid world champ, Undertaker starts his next program, there's a logical conclusion to two months of matches and a logical blowoff.... and Smackdown can be continually build around Punk's heel title reign without having to randomly toss Undertaker in the picture again for quite a while.
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Post by Chuckie Finster on Aug 31, 2009 15:26:20 GMT -5
I totally stole this submission match finish from an indy show several years ago.... but it would be perfect for THIS match up. Towards the end of the match there's a ref bump while 'Taker has Punk in the Hells Gate. A second ref jumps in but Punk quickly breaks out of the hold. A couple of reversals transpire then Punk kicks 'Taker out of the ring. Punk suddenly attacks the second ref and puts him in the Anaconda Vice. The original ref, still groggy hears the second ref tapping out and calls for the bell. That's brilliant. Makes Punk look like a total chickenshit, makes Taker want to kill him more and HIAC is the next logical step. It's a lot like the HBK/Taker program from 97.
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Post by wwefan78 on Aug 31, 2009 16:59:32 GMT -5
Maybe it's been mentioned, but I strongly believe WWE will make a time-limit submission match. It would allow the match to end in a draw without eather man having to tap out. Extends the feud, Punk keeps the belt and Taker stays strong in his PPV-return
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Post by hajimenoippo on Aug 31, 2009 19:18:18 GMT -5
Taker won't tap, but my screwjob non finish sense is ti
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Post by Taupy on Aug 31, 2009 20:12:35 GMT -5
They will continue the Montreal PPV screwjob finish streak.
Screwjob I (Summerslam: Vince,Shawn screws Bret) Screwjob II (No Way Out: Vince,Rock,Sylvan screws Hogan) Screwjob III (Breaking Point: Punk screws Taker??)
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Post by HoganBai on Aug 31, 2009 20:28:37 GMT -5
I can see ref bump, Punk goes crazy with a chair, KO's Taker, puts anaconda vice on, referee wakes up, assumes Taker has passed out, ring the bell.
There, Taker doesn't tap or look weak, Punk wins and it sets up a HIAC rematch
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Post by hajimenoippo on Aug 31, 2009 20:31:27 GMT -5
I think Gogoplata, ref counts to 3, because they "forget", then we get confusion.
Either that or Punk runs away gets dq'd
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Post by mike5286 on Aug 31, 2009 21:15:55 GMT -5
They will continue the Montreal PPV screwjob finish streak. Screwjob I (Summerslam: Vince,Shawn screws Bret) Screwjob II (No Way Out: Vince,Rock,Sylvan screws Hogan) Screwjob III (Breaking Point: Punk screws Taker??) The first screw Job was Survivor Series 97 not Summerslam 97 you might want to fix that.
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Post by b1gjames on Sept 1, 2009 1:44:45 GMT -5
I see both Taker and Punk getting frustrated during the match and they both end up attacking and hurting several officials. Teddy comes out and orders the match a no contest and then books them immediately for the Hell in a cell PPV.
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Post by arthuradams2002 on Sept 1, 2009 3:03:47 GMT -5
What about a Dusty finish ? For instance, Taker beats Punk to a bloody pulp and applies the submission hold and wins the title. The next week, Punk orders the WWE to give him back the title since his feet were in the ropes. Or the scenario can be something like Taker gets Punk to tap out, but it took place outside the ring.
Next week, Teddy Long reluctantly has to give the title back to Punk. I can hear him say something like, "...but what I can do Undertaker, is put you in a Hell in a Cell match next month."
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Post by SAJ Forth on Sept 1, 2009 9:44:27 GMT -5
I get the feeling both will somehow tap at the same time.
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Post by Big L on Sept 1, 2009 9:45:33 GMT -5
I get the feeling both will somehow tap at the same time. thatll be cool
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2009 9:46:09 GMT -5
I'd say... If there's DQ in place, Punk gets DQed. If there's not, either he taps or he wins via screwjob and then loses at Hell in a Cell.
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Post by ani on Sept 1, 2009 9:50:01 GMT -5
I say Taker wins and gets the title...
Only for Punk to complain to the ref that something Taker is wearing is not legal (boots perhaps.) Punk wins by DQ and the feud continues with an eventually Taker win down the road.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2009 10:25:46 GMT -5
I get the feeling both will somehow tap at the same time. Something like this? Angle taps Taker, but Taker had Angle pinned. I say it's better than if he just went over. As far as Punk's come, I don't know that he's come far enough to be going over the Undertaker. It would seem forced to me.
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Post by rchi84 on Sept 1, 2009 10:42:21 GMT -5
my "GUT" feeling (pun intended) is that matt hardy will interfere and cause punk to tap out. revenge for punk's attack on his brother. sets a matt punk feud in place and taker can go on to whoever is supposed to job to him
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Post by Vince's Torn Quads on Sept 1, 2009 12:40:22 GMT -5
Taker may have tapped in that clip posted above against Angle, but he wasn't under the Deadman gimmick there. He will never, ever tap as the Deadman. It just wouldn't work or make any sense.
So with that said, I can see Punk winning as others have said, by knocking Taker out and applying a hold and the ref calling an end to the match.
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Post by mrjl on Sept 1, 2009 18:22:41 GMT -5
Since this is a no DQ match I say that Undertaker locks on the Hell's Gate but Punk gets his foot on the ropes. Taker refuses to break and the ref can't DQ him or force him. Finally while Punk still has his foot on the rope he taps out. Taker is awarded the belt.
On the next Smackdown Teddy Long comes out and says the foot on the ropes overrode the tapping and returns the title to Punk, who gloats that he knew that would happen.
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