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Post by Cheeto Smith on Oct 1, 2005 17:27:39 GMT -5
Well having listened to your knowledge and "experience" of the move and Mick Foley's. I think I'm going to go with his opinion. Anyway, isn't this basically what looks like a believable finishing move. You can choke somebody out with a front face lock and or knock them out with a punch to face in "real life" but in wrestling, a finish like that is just bollocks I don't think it matters whether the mandible claw actually would hurt. Even if its pure fiction, the idea that one can paralyze somebody's jaw and cause them great pain by pressing down under the tounge sounds believable enough, and that is the story WWF gave us for why it works. It's not totally absurd to think it could work as presented. Sure, you could bite his fingers right away. That logic can be applied to destroy pretty much every finishing move, there's always something a person could do immediately to avoid them.
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Post by captainfancy on Oct 1, 2005 18:41:36 GMT -5
It looked less painful in Mankind's later days because of the sock, but it was great in his super-deranged earlier days.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Oct 1, 2005 18:51:26 GMT -5
99% of wrestling is guys just-so-happeneing to land where theyr'e supposed to, though. If you're gonna throw it at the 619, you gotta bring it up for every time someone just so happens to fall parallel to the post for a splash, or fall in perfect position for a figure four in the middle of the ring. And let's not forget that old chestnut where their legs or arms just so happen to get caught in the ropes at a crucial moment. Yeah, but I look at it the way I look at, say, the Universal Translator on Star Trek. I know it's there, I know it's contrived, I'm willing to wink at it...but please, don't call attention to it and force me to look at how contrived and hard to believe it really is. The 619 calls attention to the "Oh, look, he just happens to be in the right position" element of wrestling. The Stink Face was a worse offender, IMO, because most wrestlers just couldn't sell staggering back and sitting down against the turnbuckle believably. That's not a slam on their abilities...it's just not a position a wrestler would actually be likely to wind up in. Rey usually positions them for that move with a drop toe hold or hurricanrana though. Rey does the set up most of the time. And it's not like other wrestler's never find themselves in that position- Jericho will do his dancing knee splash and Mark Henry would do his slide out of the ring thing.
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Post by mateo on Oct 1, 2005 21:37:02 GMT -5
There's a move called Sex on the Beach in the indies. I don't know who uses it, but the way it's performed is, you have your opponent laying near the corner. You run and hop over him, jump on the very bottom rope, sommersault foreward, and land on your opponent senton style. Looks pretty cool, but at that height, I'm sure the damage isn't all that impressive. Which reminds me, height might be a major factor as well. London get's some great air on the SSP, and Sasake's senton bomb's practically look like he stays in the air forever, so that would probably increase the impact maybe? It's Sexxxy Eddy's finisher, he's a talented wrestler from Quebec who makes the rounds in CZW (but he's out with a minor injury, and will be back later this month.) The move you speak of is actually called the Total Sextacy. He does a move called the Sex On The Beach, but all that is, is just a split-legged moonsault.
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Post by caseygottheblues on Oct 1, 2005 21:58:50 GMT -5
Austin's old finisher in WCW when he was apart of the hollywood blondes, "The Stungun" which is where you irish whip a guy, grab and put him in a flapjack-esk position and turn around and "drop" (more like lightly place) him (upper chest area) on the ropes....
The stunner was much better, and didn't involve so much of a set-up...
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Post by Sinestro on Oct 1, 2005 22:19:54 GMT -5
On the topic of the People's Elbow, I never thought of it has a finisher persay.
I file it under added insult to injury. Namely The Rock Bottom is the Finisher that injuries/stuns you enough to allow Rocky to drop a silly ass elbow on you, therby mocking you.
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Post by Stryfe on Oct 1, 2005 22:32:05 GMT -5
According to an engineer friend of mine, not significantly. I'll freely admit that vector mechanics aren't my strong suit either...but somehow, I think "I invented this move because it looks cool" is a lot closer to the truth than "I invented this move because my analysis of parabolic vectors indicates optimal momentum-enhanced impact." Well, unless you're Michael Wallstreet, and have Alexandra York's computer in your corner. Wow that's obscure. Kudos to you!
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Post by Stryfe on Oct 1, 2005 22:34:38 GMT -5
It looked less painful in Mankind's later days because of the sock, but it was great in his super-deranged earlier days. Also he had that finger guard on... that always looked cool to me.
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Post by Scott on Oct 1, 2005 23:46:50 GMT -5
Speaking of absurd nerve-holds, I always loved the Tongan death grip
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Post by MCP Hates You on Oct 2, 2005 0:04:38 GMT -5
What about Executioner's thumb to the neck? Lame x10
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Oct 2, 2005 0:07:02 GMT -5
hmm......i might have to say, the STO, now granted, i've seen clips of other Japanese wrestlers do it and they make it look SICK!
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Post by MichaelMartini on Oct 2, 2005 0:55:16 GMT -5
On the topic of the People's Elbow, I never thought of it has a finisher persay. I file it under added insult to injury. Namely The Rock Bottom is the Finisher that injuries/stuns you enough to allow Rocky to drop a silly ass elbow on you, therby mocking you. If you want to get technical it's the spinebuster that's the set up for the People's elbow. Rock used the rock Bottom more as a finisher when he was heel. He switched to the elbow when he became face.
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Post by Sinestro on Oct 2, 2005 1:34:43 GMT -5
On the topic of the People's Elbow, I never thought of it has a finisher persay. I file it under added insult to injury. Namely The Rock Bottom is the Finisher that injuries/stuns you enough to allow Rocky to drop a silly ass elbow on you, therby mocking you. If you want to get technical it's the spinebuster that's the set up for the People's elbow. Rock used the rock Bottom more as a finisher when he was heel. He switched to the elbow when he became face. I've seen him more than a few times go from Rock Bottom to Elbow. But regardless my point still stands, the People's Elbow is more of a mocking/insult move than a boneafied finisher in my book.
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Post by skyday1402 on Oct 2, 2005 1:35:25 GMT -5
If you want to get technical it's the spinebuster that's the set up for the People's elbow. Rock used the rock Bottom more as a finisher when he was heel. He switched to the elbow when he became face. I've seen him more than a few times go from Rock Bottom to Elbow. But regardless my point still stands, the People's Elbow is more of a mocking/insult move than a boneafied finisher in my book. Agreed.
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Post by T.F.U. on Oct 2, 2005 4:57:31 GMT -5
If you want to get technical it's the spinebuster that's the set up for the People's elbow. Rock used the rock Bottom more as a finisher when he was heel. He switched to the elbow when he became face. I've seen him more than a few times go from Rock Bottom to Elbow. But regardless my point still stands, the People's Elbow is more of a mocking/insult move than a boneafied finisher in my book. As far as I am concerned, that last move in the match is the finisher... so in some matches, the people's elbow was the finisher!
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Post by invaderdave on Oct 2, 2005 10:10:01 GMT -5
I must say...loading up on finisher icons in any of the Smackdown games, taking down your opponent with a kick in the beginning of the match, and immediately going for the People's Elbow is an interesting experience to say the least.
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Post by jlb on Oct 2, 2005 19:36:04 GMT -5
The Overdrive (Elix Skipper/Orton's finisher before the RKO) is visually impressive, but it seems to me like it takes some work to set up and execute You think that move is impressive? Personally I hate it. It looks like its supposed to be a neck brekaer or something, but I don't see how it works.
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