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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Sept 17, 2009 15:21:12 GMT -5
Barry Windham in '88 when he joined the Horsemen. He and Sting were the two most over acts on the face side. Windham turns on his tag partner, Luger (who were insanely over as a tag team), and joins up with Flair, Tully & Arn, three guys that couldn't beat him for the past year. Didn't make sense, it was like when Joe joined MEM. Nice "swerve", but in wrestling logic, why would somebody be okay with being relegated to being the paid off lackey of a bunch of dudes that he was destroying.
I was a kid at the time, so I didn't realize that Dusty was booking it because they already had Luger, Sting, Nikita Koloff, Dusty, and the Road Warriors as the main faces...and Windham was the best fit for The Horsemen, who'd been running with three members for months. Plus, so many of those NWA crowds hated Luger and Dusty so much, heel Windham would get cheered anyway. Wasn't it Great American Bash '88 in Baltimore where Windham's beating the crap out of Dusty and the crowd's cheering for him?
But that turn kind of ruined Windham a little bit. After joining the Horsemen he got fat, left for WWF to become "The Widowmaker", came back and was pretty good but never close to the guy who from 1986-88 was one of the best around. He was never anywhere close as over as a face as he was before the heel turn.
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Post by swiss. on Sept 17, 2009 15:28:27 GMT -5
Mick Foley.
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Post by Crazy Diamond on Sept 17, 2009 17:31:35 GMT -5
Yeah, gotta agree with Austin, Sting, and Goldberg. Their heel turns were poorly thought out and executed though looking back Sting actually got a decent reaction at times as a heel. I would like to add Booker T joining the New Blood and turning him heel not long after he entered the WWE to this list. Until King Booker, I always felt that Booker was like Sting in that he was more entertaining and interesting as a face. I thought it was stupid that Booker was suddenly evil because he came from WCW despite being a face before WCW shut down. Him joining the New Blood made sense but then I was confused as to who the good guys were and who the bad guys were for several years. While I agree about Booker in the Alliance, when did he join the New Blood? Yeah, he was lumped into that group, as were all of the underpushed guys, when it was first formed, but he was one of the first to push back against it and side with the Millionaire's Club. He then joined the anti-New Blood group The Misfits In Action before winning the world title. Oh, so now it all makes sense. I wasn't watching WCW as often as I used to so I must have remembered things wrong. I honestly couldn't follow that storyline because it was like everyone's allegiances changed during the show every single week. Eventually, I just gave up. G.I Bro sucked though; I don't know who's idea that was.
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Post by Chainsaw on Sept 17, 2009 18:19:17 GMT -5
Was this really a heel turn though? I mean, who would ever take Cole's side over JR's? The crowd reaction speaks for itself. Yeah, the whole thing never made any sense to me. JR had a case, and they tried to make him into the bad guy. It was weird.
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Post by poi zen rana on Sept 18, 2009 9:38:24 GMT -5
While I agree about Booker in the Alliance, when did he join the New Blood? Yeah, he was lumped into that group, as were all of the underpushed guys, when it was first formed, but he was one of the first to push back against it and side with the Millionaire's Club. He then joined the anti-New Blood group The Misfits In Action before winning the world title. Oh, so now it all makes sense. I wasn't watching WCW as often as I used to so I must have remembered things wrong. I honestly couldn't follow that storyline because it was like everyone's allegiances changed during the show every single week. Eventually, I just gave up. G.I Bro sucked though; I don't know who's idea that was. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Booker T begin wrestling as GI Bro back in the 80s when he first came into the business? I thought GI Bro predated his Booker T character and he was just returning to that due aligning with a military themed faction.
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Post by Angus Mcloud on Sept 18, 2009 9:42:08 GMT -5
Oh, so now it all makes sense. I wasn't watching WCW as often as I used to so I must have remembered things wrong. I honestly couldn't follow that storyline because it was like everyone's allegiances changed during the show every single week. Eventually, I just gave up. G.I Bro sucked though; I don't know who's idea that was. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Booker T begin wrestling as GI Bro back in the 80s when he first came into the business? I thought GI Bro predated his Booker T character and he was just returning to that due aligning with a military themed faction. GI Bro was an early gimmick of his but Im hopping that Booker T didnt suggest reverting back to it.
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Post by showster22 on Oct 15, 2009 17:01:26 GMT -5
one heel turn I thpught was wrong(this might surprise you) Bret hart in 97
I like his promos from the time better but ithe whole turn felt like it was cheap heat for a Main Event guy. They probably could have done a better gimick for the turn and still he would be a face in canada. just my thoughts
also Randy Orton around wrestlemaina 21. He turned face a few months ago now he's a heel again? they could have done him & Taker face vs face and have a more effictiv turn down the road. Again just my thoughts
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 15, 2009 17:26:23 GMT -5
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Booker T begin wrestling as GI Bro back in the 80s when he first came into the business? I thought GI Bro predated his Booker T character and he was just returning to that due aligning with a military themed faction. GI Bro was an early gimmick of his but Im hopping that Booker T didnt suggest reverting back to it. from a story line standpoint, Booker T became GI Bro because the rest of the MIA were talented guys, but none of them had had any success in WCW and they needed a leader, and Booker became that guy. He became GI Bro to show that he was truly committed to them. When Hugh Morris/Rection proved he was a capable leader, Booker made him General and left the group because they didn't need him anymore.
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Post by Jimmy on Oct 15, 2009 17:33:46 GMT -5
Nobody brought up Eddie's in 2005? It wasn't technically 'wrong' as it made sense given the natural jealousy of Rey, but damn man I didn't want to see Eddie be a heel again and neither did the fans, at least not so soon.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Oct 15, 2009 17:50:13 GMT -5
David Arquette.
I mean they'd just made him the top face of the company, they obviously felt he had the ability to run with the ball as champion, and then he turns on the very fans who turned out in droves to see; a select few of whom had seen 'Ready To Rumble'.
Madness I tell you.
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Post by Ozman on Oct 16, 2009 3:46:31 GMT -5
EXCATLY!!! Especially his 2006 heel turn. As a matter of fact, below is a quote from myself that I posted last year regarding Foley's heel turn during the summer of 2006.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Oct 16, 2009 7:12:57 GMT -5
Sting While turning sting heel might have sounded like a good idea on paper but honestly the fans were never going to boo sting over Hogan and Nash so it was doomed to failed. Not to mentionboth Hogan and Nash had it comming considing what they did to Sting during 1997.
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Post by a1TheEnigma1a on Oct 25, 2009 17:41:31 GMT -5
Bret Hart's heel turn in the WWF is probably the most complex of all time and definately one of the all time greatest. As I from England he technically never turned heel anyway ;D Seconded! ;D
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Post by Milkman Norm on Oct 25, 2009 17:50:04 GMT -5
Eric Bischoff. The early stages of the nWo, when they were terrorising WCW was the best to me. Bischoff made the perfect WCW patsy, but once he was revealed to be nWo and started to mug for the camera things started to go down hill, IMO
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Post by Youngie on Oct 25, 2009 17:54:25 GMT -5
Eric Bischoff. The early stages of the nWo, when they were terrorising WCW was the best to me. Bischoff made the perfect WCW patsy, but once he was revealed to be nWo and started to mug for the camera things started to go down hill, IMO Yeah since he was first power-bombed through a table by Nash and then joins the nWo soon after. Strange.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Oct 25, 2009 17:59:40 GMT -5
Eric Bischoff. The early stages of the nWo, when they were terrorising WCW was the best to me. Bischoff made the perfect WCW patsy, but once he was revealed to be nWo and started to mug for the camera things started to go down hill, IMO Yeah since he was first power-bombed through a table by Nash and then joins the nWo soon after. Strange. Right. Plus he always had great facial expression in the early days when nWo was taking over Nitro. Once he was revealed to be the mastermind the nWo went from being and outside group of wrestling terroist to an inside group with power in the upper echelon of WCW the hole thing got lame.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Oct 25, 2009 18:54:51 GMT -5
Eric Bischoff. The early stages of the nWo, when they were terrorising WCW was the best to me. Bischoff made the perfect WCW patsy, but once he was revealed to be nWo and started to mug for the camera things started to go down hill, IMO Yeah since he was first power-bombed through a table by Nash and then joins the nWo soon after. Strange. He explained that druing a promo right after (like maybe a week later) Something to the effect of: "I had a choice: to be run over by the force, or to join them."
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