Johnny Danger (Godz)
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Dec 5, 2006 10:23:02 GMT -5
If Vince thought Heyman was a good booker, he'd be booking ECW still! Maybe, but Vince doesn't like anyone having better ideas than him and the product of his sperm. What better way to kill off that creativity than by signing them to a lucrative contract and undermining what amount of input they have? But as out of touch as Vince is, does he really like losing money? Because thats obviously what "the new vision of ECW" is going to do.
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Chainsaw
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 5, 2006 10:30:29 GMT -5
That right there is funnier than "Blazing Saddles". No, the only way it'll be funnier is if Bobby Lashley comes outtonight and opens his promo by saying "Hey where the white women at?" Blazing Saddles references aside, I'm thinking that Vince will keep sending Heyman his checks in order to keep him from jumping to Orlando. I think that even though Vince hates Heyman's vision of wrestling, deep down he realizes Heyman is talented and creative enough to do something that could make his product look bad. The only problem is that if Heyman were to go to TNA, how could he co-exist with Russo? I'd mark if Lashley rides to the ring on a horse and in a cowboy's outfit. The perfect beginning to a new era. Or at least I would mark if I were actually watching it tonight. And if you weren't paying attention the the tone of all of my posts so far, you'd know that's not happening.
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Post by Doctor Tull-eus S. Venture on Dec 5, 2006 10:31:07 GMT -5
Maybe, but Vince doesn't like anyone having better ideas than him and the product of his sperm. What better way to kill off that creativity than by signing them to a lucrative contract and undermining what amount of input they have? But as out of touch as Vince is, does he really like losing money? Because thats obviously what "the new vision of ECW" is going to do. I don't think it really matters to Vince, because his company is still pretty healthy, financially speaking, and since there's no real competition right now to unseat him, he's content to make his "sports entertainment" shows in this manner. Cute puppy, BTW.
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 5, 2006 10:36:17 GMT -5
Maybe, but Vince doesn't like anyone having better ideas than him and the product of his sperm. What better way to kill off that creativity than by signing them to a lucrative contract and undermining what amount of input they have? But as out of touch as Vince is, does he really like losing money? Because thats obviously what "the new vision of ECW" is going to do. It's like what Troy McClure said about The Simpsons once: "The show will continue to entertain America's audiences until the day that it is no longer profitable." And besides, really, how much could Extreme Velocity be losing for Vince. It's not like WWE's paying Sci-Fi to keep it on it's network, like TNA did with Fox Sports. And it's travelling with SD now completely, so the cost of expenses is folded into the SD show (more than likely, for tax purposes ), and people are almost getting a bonus of Extreme Velocity with their SD ticket. And how much do you think rookies like Knox or Lashley are getting paid? Show was probably their most expensive athlete to have on, and more than likely, they won't have to pay him anymore soon.
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Post by 8-BitAssassin on Dec 5, 2006 10:51:42 GMT -5
"Hulkamania dies with Hulk Hogan, the Woooos die with Ric Flair, but ECW will live without Paul Heyman" That's awfully foreboding
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H-Fist
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Post by H-Fist on Dec 5, 2006 10:55:30 GMT -5
That right there is funnier than "Blazing Saddles". No, the only way it'll be funnier is if Bobby Lashley comes outtonight and opens his promo by saying "Hey where the white women at?" "'Scuse me while I whip this out." And Lashley proceeds to expose himself and urinate on the ring, thus taking on the mantle of Black Loose Cannon Brian Pillman to get rid of the Black Lesnar legacy. Hey - it IS ECW...sort of.
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Jeff Mack
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Post by Jeff Mack on Dec 5, 2006 11:04:26 GMT -5
So Heyman's gone, eh? I just don't see the logic of this from the McMahon standpoint. Keeping him at ECW prevents him from challenging the McMahon's ideas while having someone reliable at the helm of ECW. Now he can sign with some upstart fed and challenge the WWE empire as an ideas man, and as a recognizable talent.
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Grendel
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Post by Grendel on Dec 5, 2006 13:26:36 GMT -5
I'm waiting for a bit before saying anything. This could still be a work after all. According to some of the wrestling news sites it's not, but you know how that goes ...
Let's say for the sake of argument that this is real If they let Heyman go, that could be a mistake. At least with the old ECW if there were changes in the card they would tell you ahead of time. I bought one ECW PPV where Heyman came out on the preshow and announced that changes were made to the card. He stated that In ECW, unlike other ocmpanies, they would let you know ahead of the PPV if there were last minute changes.
It didn't matter in the long run, that PPV was great. I liked the wrestling action in the old ECW, and I wasn't fooled into thinking that the new ECW was going to be like the old one. You had to know that it would have the McMahon stench all over it, and if it failed they would use Heyman as a scapegoat.
I think they will do their damnedest to keep Heyman from going somewhere else.
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Dec 5, 2006 14:04:36 GMT -5
Extreme Velocity. I like that. ;D
IF IT'S A SHOOT: So who "runs" ECWWE next? Stephanie? Shane? Coachman? .....Vince? It hurts anyway you look at it.
NOT A SHOOT: Did Heyman make a smart move? Is it a sinking ship? Would YOU want to continue to be associated to a failing rehash of a once great promotion? Or would it be better to start marketing yourself to other promotions and once the old windbag cuts you loose, run towards greener pastures?
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Dec 5, 2006 14:28:18 GMT -5
You know that makes me think, at the time when I was watching the old ECW 97-01 I can't think of any "angles" to speak of at all, I remember the matches and how great a lot of those were, but I can't think of why any of them happened. Raven/Dreamer= I think they were childhood friends and Dreamer couldn't beat Raven but, he kept trying until he won (when Raven left for WCW). I think I am only half right on that. Mr. Monday Night= RVD wanted to leave for WWF or WCW and was teaming with Lawler. WWF vs. ECW= Lawler vs. Dreamer and RVD's Mr. Monday Night stuff. That is off the top of my head. There was also the Network vs. ECW and Corino vs. Dusty Rhodes over not wanting to be hardcore or "Who was the king of Old School" that last one is foggy to me though. Corino vs Dusty was more like the following as I recall- Corino disliked the 'hardcore' style and wanted to pioneer 'old-school' non-hardcore wrestlnig in ECW. Rhodes came back to teach him the turth of old-school, as in the bloody brawls he had with Flair. Other storylines were: RVd vs Jerry Lynn- Lynn can't beat RVD and wnats to. RVd vs Sabu- RVd disrespects Sabu in their first match, Sabu is pissed. Sabu vs Taz- Sabu legit walked out on Taz when they were tag champions. Taz injured his neck at a later date and when he came back he kayfabe blamed Sabu and wanted revenge for Sabu walking out of ECW. Sandman vs Raven- raven had brainwashed Sandman's son Tyler, and Sandman wanted to free his son. Tajiri vs Super crazy vs Guido- 3 of the best from round the world wanted to prove their own nation was the world wrestling capital. And the Network/ECW feud based on real life. With the exception of Sandman/Raven, RVD/Dreamer and Raven/Dreamer, all the feuds were actually based on wrestling. So it was a wrestling based company. And however you look at it, Heyman leaving is bad if true. Heyman didn't have finance control, which is good, menaing he was only booker. And with Heyman as the booker, the pros far outweigh the cons.
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ICBM
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Post by ICBM on Dec 5, 2006 14:38:38 GMT -5
I'll be dipped in fecal matter Heyman is gine and it wasn't a work. Dude morale on that brand has to be so low it would make the latter days of WCW look like a gay pride parade..wait it did anyway. Uhhh maybe it would just make it look like a place iwth low morale?
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Omar Ali
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Post by Omar Ali on Dec 5, 2006 15:18:52 GMT -5
Heyman will head to TNA.
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Dr. T is an alien
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 5, 2006 16:15:57 GMT -5
You know what the real kick of it is if it is real? Why would Vince care about a scapegoat? The shareholders can't have that much sway, so he answers to no one. Do you think any shareholder is really fooled into thinking that it was all Heyman's fault? I don't. If Vince booked things a certain way and they didn't work out, does blaming Heyman erase those facts from his own mind? He couldn't have made himself believe that he was fixing a problem when all of the disastrous decisions were his alone. His job is not in any danger. If it was Kevin Dunn or Stephanie trying to blame Heyman that would be one thing; they have someone (Vince) to be scared of. Vince doesn't.
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Post by Doctor Tull-eus S. Venture on Dec 5, 2006 16:18:10 GMT -5
You know what the real kick of it is if it is real? Why would Vince care about a scapegoat? The shareholders can't have that much sway, so he answers to no one. Do you think any shareholder is really fooled into thinking that it was all Heyman's fault? I don't. If Vince booked things a certain way and they didn't work out, does blaming Heyman erase those facts from his own mind? He couldn't have made himself believe that he was fixing a problem when all of the disastrous decisions were his alone. His job is not in any danger. If it was Kevin Dunn or Stephanie trying to blame Heyman that would be one thing; they have someone (Vince) to be scared of. Vince doesn't. Good point. Makes me wish that I held the majority of WWE stock so I could have the opportunity to scream at Vince that his crap vision of "sports entertainment" sucks ass at the next Shareholder's meeting.
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omgking
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Post by omgking on Dec 5, 2006 16:20:59 GMT -5
I'm blowing up my TV.
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Post by Just "Dan" is Fine, Thank You on Dec 5, 2006 17:05:14 GMT -5
Does Paul E have a public e-mail address? I'm compelled to write him, though I've never written to a wrestling figure.
"Paul, do what feels right. I WILL follow you, and so will those who always have."
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 5, 2006 17:09:05 GMT -5
Does Paul E have a public e-mail address? I'm compelled to write him, though I've never written to a wrestling figure. "Paul, do what feels right. I WILL follow you, and so will those who always have." I've been thinking about tracking him down and saying something like that as well, even if it turns out to be a work. I'm sure he'd appreciate the kind words.
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Post by Chris Decker-The Wild Rover on Dec 5, 2006 17:31:44 GMT -5
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omgking
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Post by omgking on Dec 5, 2006 17:31:47 GMT -5
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Post by velvetvandal on Dec 5, 2006 17:38:02 GMT -5
Maybe, but Vince doesn't like anyone having better ideas than him and the product of his sperm. What better way to kill off that creativity than by signing them to a lucrative contract and undermining what amount of input they have? But as out of touch as Vince is, does he really like losing money? Because thats obviously what "the new vision of ECW" is going to do. You see, the trouble with all of us is this: we try to predict what Vince Mcmahon will do by assuming he thinks logically. I'll say that again: we try to predict what Vince Mcmahon will do by assuming he thinks logically.That is all.
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