omgking
AC Slater
Doesn't anyone give a s*** about the rules???
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Post by omgking on Dec 5, 2006 17:44:57 GMT -5
He had an oppurtunity to try something different, at little to no economic risk to himself or the company, and he STILL f'd it up. He will eventually bankrupt wwe if he refuses to change. Maybe not, but that's the only way he gives up control, and thus final approval of the book, and then we can watch WRESTLING again.
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Post by Just "Dan" is Fine, Thank You on Dec 5, 2006 18:13:05 GMT -5
Does Paul E have a public e-mail address? I'm compelled to write him, though I've never written to a wrestling figure. "Paul, do what feels right. I WILL follow you, and so will those who always have." I've been thinking about tracking him down and saying something like that as well, even if it turns out to be a work. I'm sure he'd appreciate the kind words. I just hope that after all this, Heyman's spirit hasn't been crushed. I don't want him to think he can't make an impact elsewhere (like TNA, obviously), when he really can still command the fans like no other.
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Post by odanobunaga on Dec 5, 2006 19:54:46 GMT -5
- The PPV booking was different than wrestlers were initially told, particularly in the Elimination Chamber; for example how long CM Punk was to last before being eliminated, and the order of who entered the chamber and when may have been changed.
- Heyman wanted Lashley to be a heel, but Vince was dead set on him being a babyface.
Hm...Punk was high with Heyman and was booked as strong as a newbie midcarder can be.
Lashley could be a great heel.
Yup, it happened. McMahon makes changes, things blow up, Heyman´s fault, MacMahon saves wrestling by making it more stupid.
I willcontinue to watch it. But I will not regret stop watching if D2D is the dawn of a new era.
A Crappy Era.
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Franchise
Hank Scorpio
No you didn't.
Ronnie Garvin, you idiot! I like steak, not soup, Ronnie Garvin!
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Post by Franchise on Dec 5, 2006 20:17:36 GMT -5
This is seriously one of the saddest things I've read in a long time... www.prowrestling.com/article/news/2806"There is now "tremendous heat" on Rob Van Dam for refusing to go on the annual Tribute to the Troops trip for the second time. Technically, because the WWE can't guarantee the safety of the performers in a war zone, and considering that they are independent contractors, they can't be forced to go. However, there is an unwritten rule in WWE that if you're ask to go, you go. His refusal to go on the trip explains RVD's lessened push in recent weeks. Before he refused to go on the trip, the plan was to do a slow build for a Lashley vs. RVD for the ECW title program in 2007. Plans may or may not have changed, but it wouldn't be surprising if they did. Big Show probably wrestled his last TV match for WWE at last night's ECW taping. However, it may not have been his last match ever because is scheduled to go on an overseas tour with WWE in which he will wrestle on. His WWE contract doesn't officially expire until February, but he'll be off the road due to lingering injuries sooner. NMB sent in the following report in regards to meeting Tommy Dreamer after Sunday's ECW PPV ... I talked with Dreamer briefly after December To Disappoint tonight. He hung around after the show and there was a small crowd of people coming up to him pissed off. I asked Dreamer if Sabu not being there tonight had anything to do with him leaving ECW. He said "I don't know for sure, but it's probably the case." I then asked if the rumors about RVD leaving are true and he didn't say yes or no, just "Him and Sabu might not be the only ones, man." Then I asked if December To Disappoint was the final bullet in the head for ECW and he told me "ECW's been dead, I'm now realizing it. The only part of it still alive are you guys." Then we shook hands, hugged and he said "I'm sorry." "
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Reverend BTY
Hank Scorpio
Christian Troy: God's Gift
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Post by Reverend BTY on Dec 5, 2006 20:19:50 GMT -5
But as out of touch as Vince is, does he really like losing money? Because thats obviously what "the new vision of ECW" is going to do. You see, the trouble with all of us is this: we try to predict what Vince Mcmahon will do by assuming he thinks logically. I'll say that again: we try to predict what Vince Mcmahon will do by assuming he thinks logically.That is all. With this in mind, I suddenly want to see ECW owned by Aurora Rose. Which I gotta say, is a pretty name.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Dec 5, 2006 20:37:35 GMT -5
You see, the trouble with all of us is this: we try to predict what Vince Mcmahon will do by assuming he thinks logically. I'll say that again: we try to predict what Vince Mcmahon will do by assuming he thinks logically.That is all. With this in mind, I suddenly want to see ECW owned by Aurora Rose. Which I gotta say, is a pretty name. She does, doesn't she
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Post by hutter on Dec 5, 2006 21:05:08 GMT -5
You see, the trouble with all of us is this: we try to predict what Vince Mcmahon will do by assuming he thinks logically. I'll say that again: we try to predict what Vince Mcmahon will do by assuming he thinks logically.That is all. With this in mind, I suddenly want to see ECW owned by Aurora Rose. Which I gotta say, is a pretty name. I'd rather see ECW owned by a non-McMahon.
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Joekishi
Fry's dog Seymour
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 5, 2006 21:16:20 GMT -5
He had an oppurtunity to try something different, at little to no economic risk to himself or the company, and he STILL f'd it up. He will eventually bankrupt wwe if he refuses to change. Maybe not, but that's the only way he gives up control, and thus final approval of the book, and then we can watch WRESTLING again. WWE does show wrestling they show it on RAW, ECW, and Smackdown. EAch show has been rather entertaining and full of entertaining and long matches, with logical storylines. Especially smackdown. Seriously i don't get the whole WWE and vince suck at booking, so then the wrestling must suck. But the wrestling, most of it, doesn't suck.
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Post by DrizzlinShytes on Dec 5, 2006 21:26:19 GMT -5
I have to question Paul as the martyr. He knew what he was getting into. If he was so against it for so long and this is all Vince's fault then why did Paul stick around so long and insist upon defending this charade?
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Post by Voldemar H. "Brak" Guerta on Dec 5, 2006 21:27:25 GMT -5
He had an oppurtunity to try something different, at little to no economic risk to himself or the company, and he STILL f'd it up. He will eventually bankrupt wwe if he refuses to change. Maybe not, but that's the only way he gives up control, and thus final approval of the book, and then we can watch WRESTLING again. WWE does show wrestling they show it on RAW, ECW, and Smackdown. EAch show has been rather entertaining and full of entertaining and long matches, with logical storylines. Especially smackdown. Seriously i don't get the whole WWE and vince suck at booking, so then the wrestling must suck. But the wrestling, most of it, doesn't suck. I know you are entitled to your own opinion, but I strongly disagree with it. If I had to choose between watching WWE programming or PWG/ROH for the rest of my life, I'd pick PWG/ROH over WWE in a heartbeat. Matches that tell stories interest me far greater than wacky stories that influence mediocre matches.
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DeadManFan13
Trap-Jaw
Looking foward to a much better year...
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Post by DeadManFan13 on Dec 5, 2006 21:35:24 GMT -5
As one who has supported the attempted rebirth of ECW, all I can say is something that would be filtered.
I keep reading trying to find the loop that clues me into what the hell is going on. Sadly, I've come to realize that things are going to get much worse before they get better. Without Heyman's ideas the brand is dead in the water. Tommy Dreamer's words confirmed that for me. Vince's plan to push Lashley as a face makes me just give up. His idea of hardcore sports entertainment doesn't interest me in the least. In fact, I'll be pushing for some of ECW's remaining stars to head to TNA.
Deep inside I want Paul to bounce back. I want some small indy fed to accept his proposal and I want the circle to return again. But, I don't see that happening. So much of the talent has been sucked up by this monster congolmerate that uses people up and spits them out. I can't find a reason to defend this practice anymore. I'm sickened by the inane decisions that are being made.
So f*** You Vince. f*** your meddling twisted hands ruining the sport that I love. You've lost this fan for good. I'm not going to buy into your version of sports entertainment anymore. Thanks for making me so bitter and killing the future of wrestling damn near dead. I appriciate you taking legend after legend and throwing them in the mud. Thanks for rewriting wrestling history so that the marks think that the WWE is the only form of wrestling out there. My eyes are open now old man, and my wallet is shut. Go peddle your trite somewhere else!
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Warwolf
Unicron
Fear the Wolf
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Post by Warwolf on Dec 5, 2006 22:31:21 GMT -5
I concur. EDIT: With the 1st post. As for it being a work, I'm still in the "work" side of things, but like I say, it's really too early to tell. ECW.com's poll mentioned Paul Heyman helping Big Show regaining the belt. So yeah, I'm voting work, right now.
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kevinhardy
Dennis Stamp
Because I can become a better Champion than this person.
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Post by kevinhardy on Dec 5, 2006 23:14:21 GMT -5
aint right
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Dec 5, 2006 23:24:53 GMT -5
Wasn't Bischoff sent home prior to Russo entering WCW?
He wasn't released so its possible that he may be there still
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 5, 2006 23:26:02 GMT -5
Wasn't Bischoff sent home prior to Russo entering WCW? He wasn't released so its possible that he may be there still Yes and, the reports of this not being a work say that is what the WWE is doing to Heyman.
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Post by Voldemar H. "Brak" Guerta on Dec 6, 2006 1:07:00 GMT -5
I have to question Paul as the martyr. He knew what he was getting into. If he was so against it for so long and this is all Vince's fault then why did Paul stick around so long and insist upon defending this charade? Imagine you had this kick-ass job that you loved, then shit happened and you lost that job. Cut to about 5 years later, someone offers you that same awesome job, but "under their terms". Now, they promise you that it would be just like your old job, but they would be your boss and would help (read: edit/censor/not really help in the long run) you out when they thought necessary. If you didn't accept the job, you would never be able to do the same thing on your own, as this person would never let you. Now, would you take the job or not? Not knowing the outcome, I think 9 out of 10 people would definitely go back to that awesome job if they could.
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Mark4HBK
Unicron
How to kill a guy in three easy steps.
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Post by Mark4HBK on Dec 6, 2006 1:11:47 GMT -5
Work.
If Vince sends you home, you typically don't get to go on the air and quit.
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RAW100023
Don Corleone
Glad to see that my love has returned.
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Post by RAW100023 on Dec 6, 2006 8:40:48 GMT -5
I'll say something when this story plays out as right now, I don't know how I feel if this is real or not. Regardless that ppv sucked, I'll probably buy the dvd because it is wrestlecrap, and it may get inducted one day, and I love to collect wrestlecrap .
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hollywood
King Koopa
the bullet dodger
The Green Arrow has approved this post.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 6, 2006 8:56:22 GMT -5
Work. If Vince sends you home, you typically don't get to go on the air and quit. That was filmed the night of the PPV, before he was "sent home."
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Dec 6, 2006 9:24:45 GMT -5
I think it's a shoot, but I still think ECW's days are numbered. I wanted to see it succeed. I watched every week, but last night's show was just a great example of what ECW isn't. Old ECW = hardcore and major spots New ECW = Tuesday Night Heat
Lashley wouldn't know what "hardcore" meant if you hit him with a steel chair....and he HAS been hit with one and STILL doesn't fit the profile.
If McMahon wanted another show, why not just come up with a whole new concept and bring some OVW wrestlers up to wrestle on it? Why bring a great promotion back to life just to water it down and eventually kill it?
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