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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2009 4:10:11 GMT -5
Yes. In fact the common demographic who were affected by Heath Ledgers death and felt they had to watch it were the 13-18 year old girls. The fact more then half of those people would of watched that movie anyways because either they were dragged in by there boyfriends, friends, or simply bored. Plus the movie was well received by critics and the audience. They would of probably would of been sick to death of hearing how good the movie was from there friends and would of watched it anyways. What you just described is how Iron Man made just over $300,000,000. There's no way that The Dark Knight would have made nearly 500 on it's own merits. Also, those people you mentioned that would be telling their friends and family how good the movie was probably wouldn't have thought it was that great without being jaded by the Ledger hype-machine. If people would just look at that film without the rose colored glasses, they'd see an okay movie with it's fair share of technical flaws, plot holes, and an inept Batman with a hilariously bad voice. No it's still an excellent movie regardless without the rose colored glasses. It had a great story, great cat and mouse tension, good action sequences, visually stunning, great sound effects, an excellent music score, great cinematography, a talented director, one of the strongest ensemble casts with nothing but top notch actors and there is plenty more compliments I'm sure I missed and look I missed Heath Ledgers performance. The point is it was a blockbuster film with great substance. In my opinion there hasn't been a blockbuster film with that amount of substance since Terminator 2. The reason why blockbusters like GI. Joe and Wolverine Origins have huge drops after the first week with tremendous opening results is because it's not really worth 13 bucks seeing a second time. If the fans think it's quality it's going to do huge numbers. Hell the DVD/Blu Ray sales and Rentals for The Dark Knight are still doing quite well and a lot better then movies that are a year and half old today. And they say it takes a year to kill hype.
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Post by PaperStreetBrigade on Nov 9, 2009 4:15:35 GMT -5
You can't say "The Dark Knight" had great reviews, because its all tainted by Ledgers death. When Ledger died WB executives heard Cha-Ching and got Dollar Signs in their eyes. Not only that, but it was also helped by Terry Gilliam originally shutting down production of Ledgers real final film.
Plus the Joker goes backwards during the film. The Bank heist was easily the best scene and most interesting crime of the whole movie. The two ferries idea has so many holes in it that you can't suspend disbelief. And as soon as I saw the scene with the Jokers henchmen holding people hostage, I knew the real hostages were dressed up as the Jokers men. Its so predictable its a joke.
I think without Ledger passing, Dark Knight makes between 200 to 300 mil, enough to make back its budget, but not a blockbuster.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2009 4:28:09 GMT -5
You can't say "The Dark Knight" had great reviews, because its all tainted by Ledgers death. When Ledger died WB executives heard Cha-Ching and got Dollar Signs in their eyes. Not only that, but it was also helped by Terry Gilliam originally shutting down production of Ledgers real final film. Plus the Joker goes backwards during the film. The Bank heist was easily the best scene and most interesting crime of the whole movie. The two ferries idea has so many holes in it that you can't suspend disbelief. And as soon as I saw the scene with the Jokers henchmen holding people hostage, I knew the real hostages were dressed up as the Jokers men. Its so predictable its a joke. I think without Ledger passing, Dark Knight makes between 200 to 300 mil, enough to make back its budget, but not a blockbuster. It's a critics job not to be bias. Thats why they are a critic. It's easy to detect bulls*** on a critic just by reading the review. Hell most acclaimed directors and actors loved the movie. Plus it was a lot better then Batman Begins and that movie made 372 million so it would of made more money then the original. I just love how you guys say media hype makes tons of money for movies. If that was 100% true why hasn't Snakes on a Plane grossed 100 million dollars in revenue and had a really disappointing opening weekend? :Edit: Speaking about media the main reason why the Oscars are having 10 Best Picture nominations instead of 5 is because of the backlash they received for not nominating The Dark Knight. On the predictable scene. I'm sure more then half of the audience predicted it. It wasn't written in a way to be a twist, it was written in a way to further character development between the swat team, batman, and most importantly The Joker and to see the reaction of the good guys. It's not the twist is important. It's the delivery. Kind of like American History X. {Spoiler}Predictable ending but emotional impact delivery.
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Post by PaperStreetBrigade on Nov 9, 2009 4:50:49 GMT -5
Most Critics no longer actually review films, they review how they were treated while watching the movie.
Plus, I'm not sure if you realize this, but its only a new phenomenon that sequels can make more then the original. Aliens was the only sequel to make more then the original until Austin Powers 2.
Hey, if Samuel Jackson had died before Snakes On A Plane came out it might have made a ton of money too. Snakes was hyped for months on end and people were burnt out about it. Plus it was an internet joke.
I don't care how much Dark Knight made, there were easily 10 Films better then it in 2008.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2009 4:58:08 GMT -5
Most Critics no longer actually review films, they review how they were treated while watching the movie. Plus, I'm not sure if you realize this, but its only a new phenomenon that sequels can make more then the original. Aliens was the only sequel to make more then the original until Austin Powers 2. Hey, if Samuel Jackson had died before Snakes On A Plane came out it might have made a ton of money too. Snakes was hyped for months on end and people were burnt out about it. Plus it was an internet joke. Snakes on a Plane really had nothing going for it but as a internet joke. Most movies that are released in late August almost never do well in the box office. In fact I remember I was with group of friends and I tried to convince them go see Snakes on a Plane in the theater but they went with nah sounds like a stupid garbage film. The point is didn't sound appealing to the mass audience. Sounded more like a joke you might rent instead. Also of course it would of done huge business if Samuel L. Jackson died. That guy is an A-Lister and a lot of people have seen it. I'm sure every person has seen at least 3 movies that Jackson was in. Heath Ledger was not a A-Lister. In fact I remember the groans and moans when it was first announced that guy from A Knights Tales, 10 things I hate about you, and a gay cowboy from Brokeback Mountain is playing one of the most iconic badass villains of all time. Also the way he died didn't help his case. Edit: Most sequels back then were treated as cheap cash ins. Like all The Jaws movies, Exorcist, Chainsaw Massacre, Caddyshack II. Aliens and Austin Powers were treated more then as a cash in and are possibly better then the original.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Nov 9, 2009 5:12:03 GMT -5
10 - Almost Famous 09 - Little Miss Sunshine 08 - Pans Labyrinth 07 - Chicago 06 - 8 femmes 05 - Thank You For Smoking 04 - There Will Be Blood 03 - Persepolis 02 - The Aviator 01 - Juno
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Post by Bo Rida on Nov 9, 2009 7:58:32 GMT -5
At last somebody likes the Bourne Supremacy as much as I do, it would be my number one. It was good to see This is England near the top 10 too.
I think Memento and Wall-e should have been up near the top though.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Nov 9, 2009 8:06:54 GMT -5
My 10 favourite films from between 2000-2009, in no particular order because it constantly changes:
High Fidelity The Incredibles The Assassination Of Jesse James... Children Of Men The Departed School Of Rock United 93 City Of God Pan's Labyrinth Bad Santa
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Nov 9, 2009 8:23:54 GMT -5
My 10 favorite in no particular order
The Dark Knight Lord of the Rings Trilogy Revenge of the Sith Batman Begins Superman Returns Hot Fuzz Wall E Ratatouille Bourne Identity/Supremacy/Ultimatum Justice League: The New Frontier
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Nov 9, 2009 8:31:26 GMT -5
I knew, I f***ing KNEW, this would turn into a "Dark Knight's over-rated!" "No, it's not!" "Yes it is!" "Nuh-uh!" "Yeah-huh!" discussion.
You never disappoint!
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on Nov 9, 2009 8:38:32 GMT -5
For those having problems with The Dark Knight, I can solve it for you: THEY'RE CALLED OPINIONS!
Why is it every single time a top ten list comes out, people go insane over it? It's only one person's (or a group's) opinion. It doesn't mean it's the be-all, end-all list, and you must like and agree with all of the movies on the list. Every single person can, and is allowed, to make their own top 10 list.
While we're on the topic of The Dark Knight, the reviews weren't tainted by Ledger's death. Soul Men was released after Bernie Mac's death, and was panned by critics and did terrible at the box office.
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Post by tap on Nov 9, 2009 11:37:36 GMT -5
My top 10 (kind of in order):
The Fall (Tarsem Singh, 2006) The Fountain (Darren Aronofsky, 2006) There Will Be Blood (Paul Thomas Anderson, 2007) Synecdoche, New York (Charlie Kaufman, 2008) Notre Musique (Jean-Luc Godard, 2004) The Piano Teacher (Michael Haneke, 2001) The Diving Bell and the Butterfly (Julian Schnabel, 2007) Tideland (Terry Gilliam, 2005) Wall-E (Andrew Stanton, 2008) No Country for Old Men (Ethan and Joel Coen, 2007)
Honourable mentions (in no particular order): Bowling for Columbine, Children of Men, Shaun of the Dead, The Wrestler, Persepolis, The Cell, Caché, Funny Games, Eastern Promises, Pan's Labyrinth, Atanarjuat: The Fast Runner, The Royal Tenenbaums, Moulin Rouge!, A.I., and Across the Universe.
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Post by CrazySting on Nov 9, 2009 11:50:17 GMT -5
Culturally, it's probably The Dark Knight. I think if you asked regular people (not critics) most would say that.
Personally, for me, It's Mulholland Drive. It's one of the only movies I've seen that has the depth to it of a novel. You could spend years coming up with new interpretations of it.
Even the best movies have maybe one or two iconic scenes than people remember. In Mulholland Drive practically every other scene is memorable and iconic (the jitterbug opening, the bum behind the diner, the audition scene, the love scene, club silenco, the old people at the end.) You can watch it in bits and pieces and it's still fufilling.
I think it's better than Blue Velvet.
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Post by ilovemaria on Nov 9, 2009 12:16:17 GMT -5
Yes. In fact the common demographic who were affected by Heath Ledgers death and felt they had to watch it were the 13-18 year old girls. The fact more then half of those people would of watched that movie anyways because either they were dragged in by there boyfriends, friends, or simply bored. Plus the movie was well received by critics and the audience. They would of probably would of been sick to death of hearing how good the movie was from there friends and would of watched it anyways. What you just described is how Iron Man made just over $300,000,000. There's no way that The Dark Knight would have made nearly 500 on it's own merits. Also, those people you mentioned that would be telling their friends and family how good the movie was probably wouldn't have thought it was that great without being jaded by the Ledger hype-machine. If people would just look at that film without the rose colored glasses, they'd see an okay movie with it's fair share of technical flaws, plot holes, and an inept Batman with a hilariously bad voice. I ove how peole complain about plot holes in a friggen comic book movie
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Nov 9, 2009 12:23:04 GMT -5
And I am serious.
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Post by Jobes on Nov 9, 2009 12:32:23 GMT -5
Both of these lists are laughable.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2009 12:44:52 GMT -5
And I am serious. He never once paid for the drugs
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Post by 4real on Nov 9, 2009 13:25:51 GMT -5
My top 10 (again no order because it will change soon enough!)
There Will Be Blood The Dark Knight School Of Rock The Bourne Ultimatium Casino Royale Gladiator Battle Royale No Country For Old Men City Of God Batman Begins
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Post by Push R Truth on Nov 9, 2009 14:39:52 GMT -5
Lack of Gigli in all of these so called lists proves that you people are all full of crap and have no taste in good film-making.
Suck my nuts you moronic bastards,
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Post by The Lodger on Nov 9, 2009 17:19:31 GMT -5
I will say that the fact that neither of the lists have City of God is quite pitiful. Also 40 Year Old Virgin.
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