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Post by jerishow on Dec 14, 2009 3:08:16 GMT -5
I agree with Francine. This is a weird weird way going into the busiest time of the year with Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania coming up
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Post by Hawk Hart on Dec 14, 2009 3:08:49 GMT -5
I have to ask this question, could that Cena/Tribute to Troops clip be legit or just a red herring? Well, they've always acknowledged that Tribute to the Troops is taped in advance, so... Ah, I forgot that tidbit. So, looks like Sheamus has a fighting chance to keep the belt.
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Post by Ralnathane on Dec 14, 2009 3:11:58 GMT -5
He got a monster push, he won clean. I was a fan from day one and don't get all this talk about him having to prove himself? He was friggin pushed to destroy people! I think this is just a case of us becoming smarter. As a kid, I could see myself not disputing this at all and really think Sheamus was some sort of beast. But to echo some sentiments, its funny how people want Cena to drop the title clean, he does, and then all of a sudden he didn't deserve it and hes not credible. Swagger could have maybe gotten the push but even then I don't think I would buy it. Sheamus was trotted out as a monster so I can believe he is credible. Once again, its something fresh and I couldn't be happier. Co-Sign. I agree, and I think that it is a bunch of BS that now people here are yelling and whining that he beat Cena. Make up your damn minds... do you want Cena in there boring the hell out of you week in or week out, or would you rather see the WWE take the chance and put the belt on someone else and see where it goes. You can't have it both ways, so stop bitching about it... and just deal with the fact that someone named Cena is not the champ. /rant
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Post by fw91 on Dec 14, 2009 3:13:40 GMT -5
I can;t belive this, probably switch hands on Jan 4th raw. Going against the competiton and have a title change on the first show of the decade
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Post by jerishow on Dec 14, 2009 3:14:15 GMT -5
I agree, and I think that it is a bunch of BS that now people here are yelling and whining that he beat Cena. Make up your damn minds... do you want Cena in there boring the hell out of you week in or week out, or would you rather see the WWE take the chance and put the belt on someone else and see where it goes. You can't have it both ways, so stop bitching about it... and just deal with the fact that someone named Cena is not the champ. /rant It just seems really really stupid to put it on someone with no credibility Christian? Sure. Kane? Sure. Hell, I'd even vouch for Yoshi Tatsu But SHEAMUS?!??! The only angle I can think of is with Jamie Noble. And that was one stupid squash match.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Dec 14, 2009 3:15:35 GMT -5
I agree, and I think that it is a bunch of BS that now people here are yelling and whining that he beat Cena. Make up your damn minds... do you want Cena in there boring the hell out of you week in or week out, or would you rather see the WWE take the chance and put the belt on someone else and see where it goes. You can't have it both ways, so stop bitching about it... and just deal with the fact that someone named Cena is not the champ. /rant It just seems really really stupid to put it on someone with no credibility Christian? Sure. Kane? Sure. Hell, I'd even vouch for Yoshi Tatsu But SHEAMUS?!??! The only angle I can think of is with Jamie Noble. And that was one stupid squash match. He had an angle with Golddust on ECW.
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Post by jerishow on Dec 14, 2009 3:17:33 GMT -5
It just seems really really stupid to put it on someone with no credibility Christian? Sure. Kane? Sure. Hell, I'd even vouch for Yoshi Tatsu But SHEAMUS?!??! The only angle I can think of is with Jamie Noble. And that was one stupid squash match. He had an angle with Golddust on ECW. What was the angle about? All I remember is Goldust beating Sheamus once and then Sheamus beating Goldust. No real rhyme or reason. No real angle. I could be wrong here but that's all I remember about those matches.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 14, 2009 3:21:02 GMT -5
I agree, and I think that it is a bunch of BS that now people here are yelling and whining that he beat Cena. Make up your damn minds... do you want Cena in there boring the hell out of you week in or week out, or would you rather see the WWE take the chance and put the belt on someone else and see where it goes. You can't have it both ways, so stop bitching about it... and just deal with the fact that someone named Cena is not the champ. /rant People have every right to bitch about a guy who isn't over getting pushed to the moon. Where was MVP's title shot when he was super over at the beginning of the year? Where was Matt Hardy's main event push back in 2007 or 2008 when he was getting some of the loudest pops in the company? Mark Henry after being drafted to RAW and getting a huge reaction? Miz after becoming the biggest heat machine on RAW? None of those guys have been given the chance Sheamus has, despite the fact that the fans actually cared one way or another about all of them. I'm not saying that Sheamus didn't deserve to ever be WWE Champion, but come on. He should have been required to get over before he got this push.
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Post by jerishow on Dec 14, 2009 3:25:56 GMT -5
I agree, and I think that it is a bunch of BS that now people here are yelling and whining that he beat Cena. Make up your damn minds... do you want Cena in there boring the hell out of you week in or week out, or would you rather see the WWE take the chance and put the belt on someone else and see where it goes. You can't have it both ways, so stop bitching about it... and just deal with the fact that someone named Cena is not the champ. /rant People have every right to bitch about a guy who isn't over getting pushed to the moon. Where was MVP's title shot when he was super over at the beginning of the year? Where was Matt Hardy's main event push back in 2007 or 2008 when he was getting some of the loudest pops in the company? Mark Henry after being drafted to RAW and getting a huge reaction? Miz after becoming the biggest heat machine on RAW? None of those guys have been given the chance Sheamus has, despite the fact that the fans actually cared one way or another about all of them. I'm not saying that Sheamus didn't deserve to ever be WWE Champion, but come on. He should have been required to get over before he got this push. Agreed, the guy just isn't that over yet. I hated CM Punks push to the world title because he had barely been in any angles BUT AT LEAST PUNK 1. Was over 2. Had a specific gimmick 3. Won it in a manner which made sense 4. Had a defined finisher The main thing is CM Punk was OOOOVVVVEEERR.... Is Sheamus? We'll see soon enough
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Post by Rorschach on Dec 14, 2009 3:29:47 GMT -5
I cannot believe that the "TNA has won the war" option somehow has 18 votes.
Seriously, people? I hope that like, fifteen of those were Lancers f***** around.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2009 3:33:10 GMT -5
What if him being unproven is a plot point?
Could actually be really good if they did it right. Could have everyone on the roster, heel and face alike, doubt Sheamus and find him a fluke champ who got lucky. Could either build him as a monster by way of having him slaughter people left and right afterward, or turn him into a face by having him rise to and overcome each challenge thrown before him - if done right an angle playing off that could be great.
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Post by jerishow on Dec 14, 2009 3:34:51 GMT -5
What if him being unproven is a plot point? Could actually be really good if they did it right. Could have everyone on the roster, heel and face alike, doubt Sheamus and find him a fluke champ who got lucky. Could either build him as a monster by way of having him slaughter people left and right afterward, or turn him into a face by having him rise to and overcome each challenge thrown before him - if done right an angle playing off that could be great. Doing this as a fluke would do absolutely nothing but devalue the title. If he's pushed as a monster... BOOM new main eventer
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2009 3:36:48 GMT -5
What if him being unproven is a plot point? Could actually be really good if they did it right. Could have everyone on the roster, heel and face alike, doubt Sheamus and find him a fluke champ who got lucky. Could either build him as a monster by way of having him slaughter people left and right afterward, or turn him into a face by having him rise to and overcome each challenge thrown before him - if done right an angle playing off that could be great. Doing this as a fluke would do absolutely nothing but devalue the title. If he's pushed as a monster... BOOM new main eventer Well, I wouldn't keep playing him as a fluke. My thought on it was that they could have him fight to prove he's not a fluke after fans and other wrestlers alike claim he is - could either fight heroically and go face or absolutely maul people and become a mega heel, either way. Granted, if he were pushed as a monster I certainly wouldn't object. I'm just thrilled he won.
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Post by lookout on Dec 14, 2009 3:39:56 GMT -5
People have every right to bitch about a guy who isn't over getting pushed to the moon. Where was MVP's title shot when he was super over at the beginning of the year? Where was Matt Hardy's main event push back in 2007 or 2008 when he was getting some of the loudest pops in the company? Mark Henry after being drafted to RAW and getting a huge reaction? Miz after becoming the biggest heat machine on RAW? None of those guys have been given the chance Sheamus has, despite the fact that the fans actually cared one way or another about all of them. I'm not saying that Sheamus didn't deserve to ever be WWE Champion, but come on. He should have been required to get over before he got this push. Agreed, the guy just isn't that over yet. I hated CM Punks push to the world title because he had barely been in any angles BUT AT LEAST PUNK 1. Was over 2. Had a specific gimmick 3. Won it in a manner which made sense 4. Had a defined finisher The main thing is CM Punk was OOOOVVVVEEERR.... Is Sheamus? We'll see soon enough In the grand scheme of things though this isn't about rewarding people who you think deserve it more. This is about wwe trying to come up with something new and trying to make a NEW star. I've always wondered why no one has ever done something similar to this. Have a new guy who is totally unknown come in, destroy people, and in a few weeks win the world title. It's pure gold. Especially if the person can pull off the gimmick and has the talent. Now if wwe continues to play this smart they will have him hold on to the title for a long time. Winning the title is one thing but defending it and holding on to it for a long time will further his character and credibility a lot. IMO, they should have him be dominant for at least 5 or 6 months before finally someone comes along and beats him. If done right, Then the anticipation for him losing the title will make them money..as people will pay to see him lose...IF they do it right. It's long overdue wwe or someone tried this.
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Post by jerishow on Dec 14, 2009 3:42:01 GMT -5
Agreed, the guy just isn't that over yet. I hated CM Punks push to the world title because he had barely been in any angles BUT AT LEAST PUNK 1. Was over 2. Had a specific gimmick 3. Won it in a manner which made sense 4. Had a defined finisher The main thing is CM Punk was OOOOVVVVEEERR.... Is Sheamus? We'll see soon enough In the grand scheme of things though this isn't about rewarding people who you think deserve it more. This is about wwe trying to come up with something new and trying to make a NEW star. I've always wondered why no one has ever done something similar to this. Have a new guy who is totally unknown come in, destroy people, and in a few weeks win the world title. It's pure gold. Especially if the person can pull off the gimmick and has the talent. Now if wwe continues to play this smart they will have him hold on to the title for a long time. Winning the title is one thing but defending it and holding on to it for a long time will further his character and credibility a lot. IMO, they should have him be dominant for at least 5 or 6 months before finally someone comes along and beats him. If done right, Then the anticipation for him losing the title will make them money..as people will pay to see him lose...IF they do it right. It's long overdue wwe or someone tried this. I don't even think CM punk deserved the title but that's besides the point. Is this a Brock Lesnar push?.... Maybe.... I am hoping it is. I am being a tad pessimistic but we'll see in a few months.
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Post by Tfmcmg is Johnny Green on Dec 14, 2009 3:43:55 GMT -5
You know I hate to say it. But is it possible that the WWE title to sheamus because cena wasn't going to be on the RAW that was going head to head with the debut of hulk hogan in TNA. {Spoiler}No it's not and you're insane if you belive it is.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 14, 2009 3:46:00 GMT -5
He had an angle with Golddust on ECW. What was the angle about? All I remember is Goldust beating Sheamus once and then Sheamus beating Goldust. No real rhyme or reason. No real angle. I could be wrong here but that's all I remember about those matches. The angle was basically that Sheamus wanted competetion. Goldust faced him, Sheamus won, then got on the mic and said he demanded gold, and they bring him "dust", writing Goldust off. Goldust took exception and attacked him, which pissed Sheamus off understandably. They had a bunch of matches that devolved into fistfights on the outside and count outs, etc, with Sheamus getting one over on Goldust by kicking his legs out from under him, Goldust getting a rollup, etc, with no clear winner until Sheamus won their No DQ match and Sheamus went on to have a feud with Shelton. It was pretty good TV I think, but then again, I am a big Goldust fan and I enjoy Sheamus a lot.
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Post by jerishow on Dec 14, 2009 3:49:20 GMT -5
What was the angle about? All I remember is Goldust beating Sheamus once and then Sheamus beating Goldust. No real rhyme or reason. No real angle. I could be wrong here but that's all I remember about those matches. The angle was basically that Sheamus wanted competetion. Goldust faced him, Sheamus won, then got on the mic and said he demanded gold, and they bring him "dust", writing Goldust off. Goldust took exception and attacked him, which pissed Sheamus off understandably. They had a bunch of matches that devolved into fistfights on the outside and count outs, etc, with Sheamus getting one over on Goldust by kicking his legs out from under him, Goldust getting a rollup, etc, with no clear winner until Sheamus won their No DQ match and Sheamus went on to have a feud with Shelton. It was pretty good TV I think, but then again, I am a big Goldust fan and I enjoy Sheamus a lot. I did enjoy the matches so I will give Sheamus that. All in all I am not gonna mind this win if they push Sheamus as the next Brock Lesnar. I hate it when someone out of nowhere wins like this. It devalues the title in my mind but we'll see
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Post by Malcolm Tucker for PM on Dec 14, 2009 3:54:42 GMT -5
Time will tell if putting the belt on Sheamus was a smart move, but I applaud WWE for stepping out of their comfort zone and trying something different. It's the mind-numbing predictability that's my biggest problem with that company nowadays and this is a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned. I honestly can't remember the last time I've looked forward to an episode of Raw like I'm looking forward to tonight's.
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Post by Timmy8271 on Dec 14, 2009 3:55:36 GMT -5
I like it and Striker's reaction sold me on it. It was a fluke win sure but that doesn't matter. A win is a win and Cena knew that coming in.
Now the real champion can get back what's rightfully his, Randy Orton.
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