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Post by Insomniac on Dec 10, 2009 20:35:45 GMT -5
If I had the choice between Bay and Holliday I'd take Holliday. Bay always seemed vastly overrated to me. Bay is an elite offensive outfielder. Only Ryan Braun had a higher OPS among ML outfielders. The problem is that a lot of people don't look at his defense and realize just how bad it is. He's slow getting to the ball and makes bad reads. Just awful range. When you take both areas into account, and not just look at his numbers at the plate, I don't think he's an elite outfielder. I'd be fine with Boston re-signing him, but I'd much rather have Holliday around for 5 years than Bay. |
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Dec 10, 2009 20:43:23 GMT -5
If I had the choice between Bay and Holliday I'd take Holliday. Bay always seemed vastly overrated to me. Bay is an elite offensive outfielder. Only Ryan Braun had a higher OPS among ML outfielders. The problem is that a lot of people don't look at his defense and realize just how bad it is. He's slow getting to the ball and makes bad reads. Just awful range. When you take both areas into account, and not just look at his numbers at the plate, I don't think he's an elite outfielder. I'd be fine with Boston re-signing him, but I'd much rather have Holliday around for 5 years than Bay. And the Green Monster does allow him to hide a bit of that weakness. |
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Post by Insomniac on Dec 10, 2009 20:44:31 GMT -5
Bay is an elite offensive outfielder. Only Ryan Braun had a higher OPS among ML outfielders. The problem is that a lot of people don't look at his defense and realize just how bad it is. He's slow getting to the ball and makes bad reads. Just awful range. When you take both areas into account, and not just look at his numbers at the plate, I don't think he's an elite outfielder. I'd be fine with Boston re-signing him, but I'd much rather have Holliday around for 5 years than Bay. And the Green Monster does allow him to hide a bit of that weakness. And even with the short LF, he's a putrid defensive player. Going to Citi Field or Safeco would be some kind of adventure. |
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Dec 10, 2009 20:49:05 GMT -5
And the Green Monster does allow him to hide a bit of that weakness. And even with the short LF, he's a putrid defensive player. Going to Citi Field or Safeco would be some kind of adventure. There is a reason I am glade SF isn't pursuing him. |
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Post by H-Fist on Dec 10, 2009 20:52:10 GMT -5
For all this talk about Bay the Butcher, in the NL, he doesn't look so bad. He'd be patrolling left field at the same time as Alfonso Soriano, Adam Dunn, Chris Coghlan, Chase Headley, Ryan Braun, Carlos Lee, Garrett Anderson, and Manny Ramirez. He'll be fine.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Dec 10, 2009 21:15:21 GMT -5
For all this talk about Bay the Butcher, in the NL, he doesn't look so bad. He'd be patrolling left field at the same time as Alfonso Soriano, Adam Dunn, Chris Coghlan, Chase Headley, Ryan Braun, Carlos Lee, Garrett Anderson, and Manny Ramirez. He'll be fine. Touche. |
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Post by Insomniac on Dec 10, 2009 21:20:37 GMT -5
Dunn seems to be moving to 1B (or at least he spent the end of last year there). And is Coghlan going to be moved back to 2B if the Marlins deal Uggla?
There are some crummy defensive LFers, sure. And I'm not saying Bay is a bad player or will be a bad player in the NL. My overall point is that when you have an alternative such as Matt Holliday, a guy who is a much better fielder, a better baserunner, a better hitter, and a year younger, I think you go after him. Even if the price is a bit higher.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Dec 10, 2009 21:22:59 GMT -5
Dunn seems to be moving to 1B (or at least he spent the end of last year there). And is Coghlan going to be moved back to 2B if the Marlins deal Uggla? There are some crummy defensive LFers, sure. And I'm not saying Bay is a bad player or will be a bad player in the NL. My overall point is that when you have an alternative such as Matt Holliday, a guy who is a much better fielder, a better baserunner, a better hitter, and a year younger, I think you go after him. Even if the price is a bit higher. I heard the Giants want Uggla, whats up with him? Also, yes, to a point. That would depend on the financial situation of the team the player would be going to. You forget Insomniac not everyone can throw around BoSox, NYY or LAA money. |
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Post by Insomniac on Dec 10, 2009 21:26:46 GMT -5
Dunn seems to be moving to 1B (or at least he spent the end of last year there). And is Coghlan going to be moved back to 2B if the Marlins deal Uggla? There are some crummy defensive LFers, sure. And I'm not saying Bay is a bad player or will be a bad player in the NL. My overall point is that when you have an alternative such as Matt Holliday, a guy who is a much better fielder, a better baserunner, a better hitter, and a year younger, I think you go after him. Even if the price is a bit higher. I heard the Giants want Uggla, whats up with him? Also, yes, to a point. That would depend on the financial situation of the team the player would be going to. You forget Insomniac not everyone can throw around BoSox, NYY or LAA money. Well Bay is looking for something in the range of $16M per year. Holliday will want probably $3-4M more, and probably an extra year. At that point, is there really that much of a difference? It's not like a smaller market team will only be able to afford Bay and not Holliday. If you can pay for one, you can pay for the other. |
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Post by mysterydriver on Dec 10, 2009 23:08:56 GMT -5
Apparently Jesse Chavez is great trading chip...
The Pirates used him to acquite second baseman Akinori Iwamura.
Today, the Rays used him to aquired Rafael Soriano.
I wonder if the Braves will continue the trading spree...although this is the 2nd Pirate from last year's team they have received from another team (Adam LaRouche from the Red Sox being the first).
Sidenote: I'd probably prefer Soriano over Iwamura...but I'll play my "wait and see" mode.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 11, 2009 0:18:49 GMT -5
If I had the choice between Bay and Holliday I'd take Holliday. Bay always seemed vastly overrated to me. The Mets can get either one and still not sniff an NL East title this year. They need a starter or two to go behind Santana and someone to get the ball to K-Rod Oh I agree... But they also need to get people in the seats. Lots of season ticket holders are not renewing. It's a pretty sad situation. After the 2009 Mets season, can you blame them? |
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Dec 11, 2009 0:26:16 GMT -5
Oh I agree... But they also need to get people in the seats. Lots of season ticket holders are not renewing. It's a pretty sad situation. After the 2009 Mets season, can you blame them? And it's not like they seem to be aiming for anything this off season. |
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Post by fw91 on Dec 11, 2009 0:36:13 GMT -5
I think the Mets, should hire the asian groundscrew workers from major league to remind us how bad we will be no matter who we sign. Sigh, 2006 was our year.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Dec 11, 2009 0:41:15 GMT -5
For the 2010 season, after every loss they should peel a piece from a cardboard cutout of Fred Wilpon.
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Post by Tfmcmg is Johnny Green on Dec 11, 2009 1:12:41 GMT -5
Let me get this straight the yankees gave up phil coke and austin jackson for curtis granderson basically?
Hahahahahah Oh Wow...Also new favorite player...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2009 9:21:45 GMT -5
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 11, 2009 14:45:51 GMT -5
Cardinals GM John Mozeliak told Bernie Miklasz of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that he has extended a formal offer to free agent Matt Holliday
According to SI.com's Tom Verducci, the Phillies "are emerging as the favorite" to land Toronto ace Roy Halladay.
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Post by EvilMasterBetty, Esq. on Dec 11, 2009 15:03:32 GMT -5
According to SI.com's Tom Verducci, the Phillies "are emerging as the favorite" to land Toronto ace Roy Halladay. You're telling me Hamels would be our 3 pitcher? OH HELL YEAH! BTW I highly doubt it will happen, but it's nice to dream. |
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Post by Steveweiser on Dec 11, 2009 15:07:15 GMT -5
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Post by fw91 on Dec 11, 2009 15:09:07 GMT -5
and why did the mets let him go again? |
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