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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Mar 14, 2010 12:26:52 GMT -5
Sorry, I just see way too many people using "ect." when they're using the abbreviation for "et cetera". It's a pet peeve of mine. Kinda like your/you're, to/two/too, and per say/persay or any combination of anything that isn't per se.
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Post by The Line on Mar 14, 2010 12:32:41 GMT -5
while we're at it, It's/Its
Its is when it's possessive. as in, That monster won't share any of its toys.
It's when it's a contraction of it and is, as in It's a lovely day outside, isn't it Bonnie?
That really is the only one that ever bothers me. Probably because I had a 30 minute lecture on it in one of my media writing classes.
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Post by Throwback on Mar 14, 2010 12:38:06 GMT -5
I honestly couldn't care less. Unless I'm reading something that somebody wrote while trying to win an award. I personally don't worry about spelling or grammar. Especially on message forums. Sure if somebody is writing a theme paper for school then they should check they're work. But do we really need to re read and double check our work if we are just talking about what 80s wrestler is out of shape now?
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Mar 14, 2010 12:40:57 GMT -5
Well, people are ignorant of Latin these days. I mean, you should at least have a passing familarity with it.
The best way to remember "'it's" is the posessive ' is a contraction for his. Jay, his garden, becomes Jay's Garden. So, unless it makes sense as His, don't use It's.
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Post by @TenaciousBe on Mar 14, 2010 12:57:39 GMT -5
I honestly couldn't care less. Unless I'm reading something that somebody wrote while trying to win an award. I personally don't worry about spelling or grammar. Especially on message forums. Sure if somebody is writing a theme paper for school then they should check they're work. But do we really need to re read and double check our work if we are just talking about what 80s wrestler is out of shape now? Yes we should, because (and I'm not aiming this at you in particular but everyone who does that) it's just lazy and ignorant. I know that I have a strange way with sentence structure at times, and overuse parenthesis, but that's because I'm writing on these forums in the same way that I talk. Spelling, and proper usage of contractions vs. possessive, etc., should always be right. Look at it this way - is it okay to lie just because you're not on the stand in a court of law? It's kind of a lame argument to say "it's okay to be lazy and appear stupid just because it's not an official document." |
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Post by H-Fist on Mar 14, 2010 13:06:44 GMT -5
Well, people are ignorant of Latin these days. I mean, you should at least have a passing familarity with it. The best way to remember "'it's" is the posessive ' is a contraction for his. Jay, his garden, becomes Jay's Garden. So, unless it makes sense as His, don't use It's. You have that backwards. "It's" is a contraction of "it is." It is a subject/verb combination. "Its" is a possessive form, denoting a third person and non-gendered possessive. | Singular | Plural | | 1st Person | my | our | | 2nd Person | your | your | | 3rd Person | his/her/its | their |
The additional familiar forms of possessives - mine, ours, yours, hers, and theirs - are the anaphora used when referring to an antecedent. "His" and "its" already have an ending that works for such a purpose. In regards to possessive forms of pronouns in English, avoid apostrophes. Edit: I forgot to provide some dime-store examples for my dollar-store words. Here's an example sentence: My monkey has already eaten its banana and mine; can it have yours? Note the four possessive pronouns used. Two bananas were eaten: the one belonging to the monkey ("its") and the one belonging to me ("mine"). Both the monkey and the banana were in my possession. The difference in first person form is that "my" directly modifies "monkey" as an adjective, whereas the banana is the antecedent to which "mine" refers. "My banana" = "The banana which is mine." "Yours" is used the same way as "mine." "Yours" is given substance as an understood object of the verb "can have," referring to the antecedent "banana." |
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Mar 14, 2010 13:09:03 GMT -5
Is "ect" really grammatically incorrect? It could be an abbreviation of et caetera (not to mention most people pronounce it "aexaetaerah" as opposed to "aet xaetaerah").
Oh well, I usually spell it "etc" anyway.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Mar 14, 2010 13:19:26 GMT -5
There/their/they're gets more on my nerves.
Why is it that when I see any of those terms used incorrectly, it's usually by a poster from a native-English speaking country?
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Mar 14, 2010 14:37:57 GMT -5
Is "ect" really grammatically incorrect? It could be an abbreviation of et cae tera (not to mention most people pronounce it "aexaetaerah" as opposed to "aet xaetaerah"). Oh well, I usually spell it "etc" anyway. Yes, it is incorrect, because the abbreviation uses "et" and the first letter of "cetera". Oh, and one that's just been eating away at me lately is forgetting the "d" in "supposed". Like when someone says "that was suppose to happen..." GAH! |
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Post by Throwback on Mar 14, 2010 15:07:19 GMT -5
I honestly couldn't care less. Unless I'm reading something that somebody wrote while trying to win an award. I personally don't worry about spelling or grammar. Especially on message forums. Sure if somebody is writing a theme paper for school then they should check they're work. But do we really need to re read and double check our work if we are just talking about what 80s wrestler is out of shape now? Yes we should, because (and I'm not aiming this at you in particular but everyone who does that) it's just lazy and ignorant. I know that I have a strange way with sentence structure at times, and overuse parenthesis, but that's because I'm writing on these forums in the same way that I talk. Spelling, and proper usage of contractions vs. possessive, etc., should always be right. Who cares? As long as you can read it, does it really matter? Am I being graded on how I type? No, people who actually have a problem with the misuse of grammar or spelling errors. Really should take the stick out of their asses. In the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter if somebody types They're, there or their. I personally see people who feel the need to correct people's spelling and grammar as pretentious snobs. And if these people want to think something about me (like I'm lazy or stupid) just because of the way I talk or write. Well that just proves my point farther. |
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Mar 14, 2010 15:08:50 GMT -5
Oh, and one that's just been eating away at me lately is forgetting the "d" in "supposed". Like when someone says "that was suppose to happen..." GAH! For me, the worst case has got to be the use of the word "of" to replace "have." Like how some people "I should of done that" or "it would of been great." THAT DOESN'T EVEN MEAN ANYTHING. "OF" IS NOT A F'N VERB. |
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Post by Mattification on Mar 14, 2010 15:23:20 GMT -5
None of that stuff annoys me more then this.
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Post by Free Hat on Mar 14, 2010 16:15:20 GMT -5
Oh, and one that's just been eating away at me lately is forgetting the "d" in "supposed". Like when someone says "that was suppose to happen..." GAH! For me, the worst case has got to be the use of the word "of" to replace "have." Like how some people "I should of done that" or "it would of been great." THAT DOESN'T EVEN MEAN ANYTHING. "OF" IS NOT A F'N VERB. The confusion stems from the tendency of most people to use abbreviations like "should've" when speaking instead of "should have." In North American English, "should've" sounds similar to "should of," so a lot of people just think that's what it's supposed to be. |
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Mar 14, 2010 16:18:38 GMT -5
For me, the worst case has got to be the use of the word "of" to replace "have." Like how some people "I should of done that" or "it would of been great." THAT DOESN'T EVEN MEAN ANYTHING. "OF" IS NOT A F'N VERB. The confusion stems from the tendency of most people to use abbreviations like "should've" when speaking instead of "should have." In North American English, "should've" sounds similar to "should of," so a lot of people just think that's what its supposed to be. But still, what the hell leads them to that conclusion when, again, "of" is not a verb, or an auxiliary, or anything that is supposed to be at this spot in a sentence, not to mention "should have" is the extended form an won't you know it, the verb "have" just happens to end in -ve, just like in "should've." |
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Mar 14, 2010 17:04:46 GMT -5
Yes we should, because (and I'm not aiming this at you in particular but everyone who does that) it's just lazy and ignorant. I know that I have a strange way with sentence structure at times, and overuse parenthesis, but that's because I'm writing on these forums in the same way that I talk. Spelling, and proper usage of contractions vs. possessive, etc., should always be right. Who cares? As long as you can read it, does it really matter? Am I being graded on how I type? No, people who actually have a problem with the misuse of grammar or spelling errors. Really should take the stick out of their asses. In the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter if somebody types They're, there or their. I personally see people who feel the need to correct people's spelling and grammar as pretentious snobs. And if these people want to think something about me (like I'm lazy or stupid) just because of the way I talk or write. Well that just proves my point farther. Actually, you prove yourself as lazy/stupid by not typing correctly. It is not snobbish at all, I think. On the contrary, if you type correctly, you make it easier for everyone else to understand what point you're trying to make. It also helps non-native speakers a lot. I'm not directing that at you personally, by the way. Edit: Spell Check is your friend. It is not harmful. Please use as you see fit. |
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Post by Free Hat on Mar 14, 2010 17:32:00 GMT -5
The confusion stems from the tendency of most people to use abbreviations like "should've" when speaking instead of "should have." In North American English, "should've" sounds similar to "should of," so a lot of people just think that's what its supposed to be. But still, what the hell leads them to that conclusion when, again, "of" is not a verb, or an auxiliary, or anything that is supposed to be at this spot in a sentence, not to mention "should have" is the extended form an won't you know it, the verb "have" just happens to end in -ve, just like in "should've." It's pretty much entirely an auditory thing. People talk a lot more than they read, and since they hear "should've" a lot more than "should have," "should of" becomes firmly entrenched in their minds. Does it make any sense? No, but a lot of things in the English language don't. |
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Mar 14, 2010 18:09:06 GMT -5
Yes we should, because (and I'm not aiming this at you in particular but everyone who does that) it's just lazy and ignorant. I know that I have a strange way with sentence structure at times, and overuse parenthesis, but that's because I'm writing on these forums in the same way that I talk. Spelling, and proper usage of contractions vs. possessive, etc., should always be right. Who cares? As long as you can read it, does it really matter? Am I being graded on how I type? No, people who actually have a problem with the misuse of grammar or spelling errors. Really should take the stick out of their asses. In the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter if somebody types They're, there or their. I personally see people who feel the need to correct people's spelling and grammar as pretentious snobs. And if these people want to think something about me (like I'm lazy or stupid) just because of the way I talk or write. Well that just proves my point farther. Further. And if you don't see the importance of correct grammar and spelling, try to get a job in your chosen field if your resume/cv has any of those mistakes on them. That's a pass/fail grade. |
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Post by Throwback on Mar 14, 2010 19:00:45 GMT -5
Who cares? As long as you can read it, does it really matter? Am I being graded on how I type? No, people who actually have a problem with the misuse of grammar or spelling errors. Really should take the stick out of their asses. In the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter if somebody types They're, there or their. I personally see people who feel the need to correct people's spelling and grammar as pretentious snobs. And if these people want to think something about me (like I'm lazy or stupid) just because of the way I talk or write. Well that just proves my point farther. Actually, you prove yourself as lazy/stupid by not typing correctly. See right there. Who really cares? If you want to think I'm lazy or stupid because of the way I talk or write. That's YOUR problem. It proves that you are not willing to look past what is in front of your face. Again, I use the word "you" as a generalization. You judge my intellect and motivation based on how the words are written rather than read the words that are there. Like I said, a term paper or something of that nature DOES indeed warrant a spell and grammar check. But if I'm just shooting the breeze about something does it really matter? Me personally I'm actually a pretty bright person. But because I choose to write a certain way or I choose not to care about arbitrary things like proper sentence structure while killing time making posts. Does that make me stupid or lazy? I guess in your eyes it does. But in my eyes. The people who actually do care about such an asinine topic. Are the stupid lazy ones. To stupid to see that they are judging a book by it's cover To Lazy to bother opening that book to find the substance within. Further. And if you don't see the importance of correct grammar and spelling, try to get a job in your chosen field if your resume/cv has any of those mistakes on them. That's a pass/fail grade. Obviously you didn't bother to read what I posted (lazy) Because I actually stated that in those type of situations spelling and grammar ARE important |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 14, 2010 19:12:24 GMT -5
People actually use the other? That's weird.
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Post by "The Rated XXX Superstar" Jed on Mar 14, 2010 19:23:24 GMT -5
Actually, you prove yourself as lazy/stupid by not typing correctly. See right there. Who really cares? If you want to think I'm lazy or stupid because of the way I talk or write. That's YOUR problem. It proves that you are not willing to look past what is in front of your face. Again, I use the word "you" as a generalization. You judge my intellect and motivation based on how the words are written rather than read the words that are there. Like I said, a term paper or something of that nature DOES indeed warrant a spell and grammar check. But if I'm just shooting the breeze about something does it really matter? Me personally I'm actually a pretty bright person. But because I choose to write a certain way or I choose not to care about arbitrary things like proper sentence structure while killing time making posts. Does that make me stupid or lazy? I guess in your eyes it does. But in my eyes. The people who actually do care about such an asinine topic. Are the stupid lazy ones. To stupid to see that they are judging a book by it's cover To Lazy to bother opening that book to find the substance within. Further. And if you don't see the importance of correct grammar and spelling, try to get a job in your chosen field if your resume/cv has any of those mistakes on them. That's a pass/fail grade. Obviously you didn't bother to read what I posted (lazy) Because I actually stated that in those type of situations spelling and grammar ARE important To all your points, I suppose it's not really "important", it just drives us grammar nazis crazy. Some people fear heights, others fear snakes, we fear grammatical errors. Though I do admit to mixing up who/whom a lot, so I freely admit I'm not perfect. Certain things just annoy me. The thread topic is one of them. |
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