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Post by Jason on Feb 21, 2010 18:26:02 GMT -5
It's disappointing how bad he's been swept under the carpet since his death. They didn't acknowledge it once, no video package, no "RIP" screen still, hell... if you didn't have the internet, I doubt you would know he was dead. He was definitely one of the best big men of all time, the agility he had blew me away for a guy his size. For a guy the company put alot of focus into, you would think they would atleast acknowledge him. So, that brings me to this question...
Should Umaga get into the Hall of Fame? Eddie Guerrero got in, months after he died. And I sure wouldn't mind to see him get in this year. They want to space the "big names" out, right? And you can't argue that there the whole Hall of Fame class is a better performer than him. I don't think it's "too soon", either. The man died, there's nothing to wait for. Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2010 18:29:48 GMT -5
No, don't think so. To an outside observer who wasn't aware of the drug issues and his eventual death, Umaga's entire career probably looked like a guy who got near the main event, fell down a bit, and ultimately vanished after putting over a midcarder who went on to become the bigger jobber of a World champion since Rey Mysterio (if not worse).
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Post by DrewVonAwesome on Feb 21, 2010 18:31:34 GMT -5
The difference between Eddie and Umaga, and I'm trying to figure out what would be the best way to put it. But simply, Eddie has a reason to be remembered. Umaga had one series of matches for the WWE title but never held it. I mean he was a good, solid big man. But nothing about him really says Hall of Fame to me.
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Post by "The Rated XXX Superstar" Jed on Feb 21, 2010 18:31:51 GMT -5
I asked this in the HoF thread, but the answer seemed to be no.
But I say it would be very respectful, and deserving for all the reasons you outlined. I don't think this is the year to do it, but come on Koko's in, so why not Youmanga? Heck Regal could induct him!
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Post by lovingway on Feb 21, 2010 18:32:28 GMT -5
No, not yet. His death was questionable due to his drug habits and he left the WWE because he did not want to go to rehab.
I could see him getting in about 6-8 years in a Mr. Wonderful/Bob Orton position where he isn't the main guy inducted but he isn't the "Who is this guy/Why is he being inducted?" category either
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Feb 21, 2010 18:33:03 GMT -5
No offense to the man, but other than a couple Intercontinental Championships and being in the Battle of the Billionaires, what has Umaga really done that's even remotely HoF worthy?
Then again, there's always the Koko B. Ware defense.
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Post by fw91 on Feb 21, 2010 18:37:43 GMT -5
no, nothing really memorable to tell you the truth. Yes Koko's in, but he was a charachter people rememebred. Unfortunately, the only reason Umaga will be remebered years form now, is becasue of his death
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Post by EJS on Feb 21, 2010 18:38:42 GMT -5
Definitely hard to say "no" to just about anyone now that Koko is in.
I see no reason for them to induct him anytime soon, though. He was nowhere near Eddie in popularity. Maybe if he's remembered fondly 10-20 years from now, but I think there'd be a long line of other guys from this era who would be more likely than him to get in.
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Post by skiller on Feb 21, 2010 18:39:35 GMT -5
How is he not?
We are talking about the same Hall of Fame that has Koko B. Ware, Bob Orton, William Perry, Pete Rose, Nikolai Volkoff, Junkyard Dog, Big John Studd, Johnny Rodz, George Steele and Ernie Ladd right?
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Post by Square on Feb 21, 2010 18:41:13 GMT -5
Hopefully he will get in with his family however on his own I don't believe he can
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Post by EJS on Feb 21, 2010 18:41:23 GMT -5
How is he not? We are talking about the same Hall of Fame that has Koko B. Ware, Bob Orton, William Perry, Pete Rose, Nikolai Volkoff, Junkyard Dog, Big John Studd, Johnny Rodz, George Steele and Ernie Ladd right? Yeah he definitely is notable enough for the level of wrestlers they induct. But I don't think he's notable enough for an induction so soon after death. |
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Post by "The Rated XXX Superstar" Jed on Feb 21, 2010 18:41:34 GMT -5
How is he not? We are talking about the same Hall of Fame that has Koko B. Ware, Bob Orton, William Perry, Pete Rose, Nikolai Volkoff, Junkyard Dog, Big John Studd, Johnny Rodz, George Steele and Ernie Ladd right? You don't think Studd, JYD, Steele, and Volkoff are HoF worthy? Because I disagree big time. |
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Post by Jason on Feb 21, 2010 18:44:04 GMT -5
How is he not? We are talking about the same Hall of Fame that has Koko B. Ware, Bob Orton, William Perry, Pete Rose, Nikolai Volkoff, Junkyard Dog, Big John Studd, Johnny Rodz, George Steele and Ernie Ladd right? You don't think Studd, JYD, Steele, and Volkoff are HoF worthy? Because I disagree big time. People these days arguably remember Umaga more than those four. |
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Post by skiller on Feb 21, 2010 18:47:00 GMT -5
How is he not? We are talking about the same Hall of Fame that has Koko B. Ware, Bob Orton, William Perry, Pete Rose, Nikolai Volkoff, Junkyard Dog, Big John Studd, Johnny Rodz, George Steele and Ernie Ladd right? You don't think Studd, JYD, Steele, and Volkoff are HoF worthy? Because I disagree big time. What I was trying to say is that I feel those guys deserve to be in any more than Umaga. I stand by it. |
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Post by bitteroldman on Feb 21, 2010 18:52:52 GMT -5
It's tragic when someone dies at a young age and the guy was a decent worker but not he's HOF quality to me. The fact that he left rather than goto rehab plus the fact that drug abuse may have been a contributing factor to his early demise should automatically rule him out.
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Post by sbaldrick on Feb 21, 2010 18:54:07 GMT -5
How is he not? We are talking about the same Hall of Fame that has Koko B. Ware, Bob Orton, William Perry, Pete Rose, Nikolai Volkoff, Junkyard Dog, Big John Studd, Johnny Rodz, George Steele and Ernie Ladd right? You don't think Studd, JYD, Steele, and Volkoff are HoF worthy? Because I disagree big time. Ditto. I also believe Ernie "The Big Cat" Ladd is HoF worthy as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2010 18:56:05 GMT -5
It's tragic when someone dies at a young age and the guy was a decent worker but not he's HOF quality to me. The fact that he left rather than goto rehab plus the fact that drug abuse may have been a contributing factor to his early demise should automatically rule him out. While I don't really think Umaga should go in any time soon (though he could potentially go in down the road), I don't really think the drugs make much of a difference. If you discriminated based on drug use 90% of the Hall of Fame members wouldn't be in there. |
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Post by Krimzon on Feb 21, 2010 18:58:32 GMT -5
Automated response: If Koko's in...
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Post by Jason on Feb 21, 2010 19:00:30 GMT -5
It's tragic when someone dies at a young age and the guy was a decent worker but not he's HOF quality to me. The fact that he left rather than goto rehab plus the fact that drug abuse may have been a contributing factor to his early demise should automatically rule him out. He was a drug addict. So was Eddie Guerrero and chances are, if the wellness policy was around when he died, he probably wouldn't be there either. He was on steriods before he died. That doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to go in. The Hall of Fame is all about contributing to the business... or in some cases, the company. That's why Koko B. Ware is in, because he made stars look good. Umaga did the same thing except he wasn't exactly a jobber... he put over John Cena, CM Punk and Bobby Lashley. Headlined a Wrestlemania and is a multiple time Intercontinental Champion. You can't forget those classics he had with Jeff Hardy either. Honestly, by the "drug addict" logic, that rules out Mr. Perfect, Eddie Guerrero and other drug addicts that are in the Hall of Fame. |
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Post by AriadosMan on Feb 21, 2010 19:01:18 GMT -5
Automated response: If Koko's in... Just because WWE itself chooses a low bar does not make Umaga a legend of wrestling. |
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