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Post by Surfer Supreme on Feb 21, 2010 20:45:06 GMT -5
no.
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Post by boomhauer20055 on Feb 21, 2010 22:54:46 GMT -5
He will in 15 or 20 years
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Post by SlimTrip on Feb 21, 2010 23:21:46 GMT -5
My vote is a very respectful no
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Feb 21, 2010 23:59:05 GMT -5
How is he not? We are talking about the same Hall of Fame that has Koko B. Ware, Bob Orton, William Perry, Pete Rose, Nikolai Volkoff, Junkyard Dog, Big John Studd, Johnny Rodz, George Steele and Ernie Ladd right? Wow. The only ones I'd put as more questionable than Umaga would Perry, Rose, and Rodz. If anyone else is close, it would be Koko, but even he had a long and successful career in the territories before going to the WWF. And while he may have never been high on the card, he was a very memorable character that people still fondly remember. Bob Orton, same thing, but he did work high on the card in both the NWA and WWF. Plus he's generally regarded as one of the best in ring performers of the era. Volkoff, again, had a long career and was a headliner in several territories and I believe worked some main events for the WWF in the late '70s and early '80s. JYD is one of the most popular wrestlers of all time, had plenty of sell outs in Mid South, including the Superdome, and remained one of the most popular stars in the WWF in the era of Hogan. Not to mention that he was one of the first black wrestlers to enjoy huge cross over success with white audiences. Not too long ago he was voted the most popular athlete in the history of the state of Louisiana. Not Archie Manning, not Pete Maravich. Studd, again, was successful in several territories and often worked main event programs with the likes of Hogan and Andre. George Steele and a long career even before his baby face WWF run in the '80s, and he too had been a main eventer, usually as a vicious heel. Then, he became a loved and memorable baby face and the simple "Animal" with the green tongue. Ernie Ladd was a main event talent damn near (if not) every where he went. He was also a successful booker for Bill Watts (if I'm not mistaken, the first black booker in wrestling.) He was also an unofficial talent scout for the WWF in the '80s. Don't get me wrong, Umaga was definitely a talented guy who had potential for so much more. But I can't say that one run as a main event guy and some time in the upper midcard makes him hall of fame worthy. They should have done something to honor him when he died, regardless of the possible circumstances. But I don't think the Hall of Fame is the way to do it.
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Post by casualobserver on Feb 22, 2010 0:02:46 GMT -5
Umaga doesn't pass my litmus test of "if you have to explain to me why somebody should be in the Hall of Fame, they shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame." So, that's a "no" from me.
I think I'll add an addendum of "if the only reason you can come up with somebody being in the Hall of Fame is that Koko's in so why not them, they don't belong in the Hall of Fame."
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Post by Franchise on Feb 22, 2010 0:07:54 GMT -5
Automated response: If Koko's in... Here's the thing... That will always be the default answer. Koko B. Ware was a decent wrestler and all, but no way is he HOF worthy, in my opinion. Not even close. So we could be talking about inducting, say, Zeus into the HOF. If Koko's in, no reason he couldn't be. Zeus was pushed harder than Koko ever was, and possibly was more over (I'm not great with my late 80's/early 90's WWF, so that may be a false statement). As for Umaga, again, great worker, especially for someone his size, but I wouldn't think of him for the Hall, no.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Feb 22, 2010 0:14:24 GMT -5
hell... if you didn't have the internet, I doubt you would know he was dead. That's exactly what happened to me. I didn't have a computer for about 2 months, and I had no idea that he died, but I knew that someone had died on the RAW when Primo, Carlito, and Jericho were all wearing the single black band on their arms, and Triple H even motioned to the sky during his entrance. When I was finally able to have access to the internet, I was informed that it was Umaga who had died.
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Post by ShaolinHandLock on Feb 22, 2010 0:58:00 GMT -5
A lot of people don't realise that Umaga debuted in the WWF in 1996 (under a different gimmick of course). I didn't realise myself until recently.
Anyway, I'd say he should go into the Hall of Fame, but not right now. Maybe in a few years time, but not right now.
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Post by celticjobber on Feb 22, 2010 1:08:30 GMT -5
He's "worthy" by WWE's HOF standards, but I don't think he'll be inducted anytime soon.
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Post by The Blue Blazer on Feb 22, 2010 1:29:12 GMT -5
Depends. Are we talking about the WWE Hall of Fame? If so, then no.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 22, 2010 2:50:49 GMT -5
No.
The HOF isn't wrestler Heaven.
That is all I am gonna say.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Feb 22, 2010 2:54:17 GMT -5
I hate the "Koko B. Ware" argument. Koko was good in the ring, put a lot of guys over, was over with the crowd and a company man for years. Umaga was fired once as Jamul for attitude problems, got his 2nd chance and quit because he didn't want to go to rehab, and died shortly after. not exactly a stellar career over all.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 22, 2010 4:33:37 GMT -5
I hate the "Koko B. Ware" argument. Koko was good in the ring, put a lot of guys over, was over with the crowd and a company man for years. Umaga was fired once as Jamul for attitude problems, got his 2nd chance and quit because he didn't want to go to rehab, and died shortly after. not exactly a stellar career over all. You're forgetting the most important factor in why anyone should be in the HOF....He died.
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Feb 22, 2010 6:02:08 GMT -5
Dying doesn't make you a Hall of Famer. If it did, Vince would have fought to get Owen in and Brody would have been inducted by now.
That said, while I think that honoring a wrestler that has passed on by putting them in the HoF may be seen as an honor, doing so simply because of thier passing is bordering on exploitation and poor taste.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Feb 22, 2010 7:03:45 GMT -5
I will say, I thought the Eddie Guerrero induction was a knee jerk reaction and a tad too soon, but i'm ok with it based on the fact that he really is wrestling legend coming from a legendary family. Granted, Umaga also is a from a well known wrestling family, but Eddie has a much more storied career.
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Post by TheDarkestKnight on Feb 22, 2010 7:35:14 GMT -5
It's a shame he passed away but no he is not hall of fame worthy.
I know everyone thinks Koko isn't worthy but at least people still remember Koko, albeit because of Frankie, but I think in 20 years time if you were to ask fans who Umaga was they may have to think that little bit harder.
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