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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Feb 21, 2010 19:03:50 GMT -5
You don't think Studd, JYD, Steele, and Volkoff are HoF worthy? Because I disagree big time. People these days arguably remember Umaga more than those four. No shit. Umaga was wrestling six months ago, these guys have been retired/deceased for decades. If Umaga is still remembered fondly in another 10-15 years (ala Koko B. Ware), then there might be an argument for putting him in. And even then, the circumstances of his death are going to weight against him.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Feb 21, 2010 19:05:48 GMT -5
The difference between Eddie and Umaga, and I'm trying to figure out what would be the best way to put it. But simply, Eddie has a reason to be remembered. Umaga had one series of matches for the WWE title but never held it. I mean he was a good, solid big man. But nothing about him really says Hall of Fame to me. also Eddie had a pretty lengthy career where he wrestled in most of the major promotions around the world, was one of the most popular wrestlers going the last few years of his life, and died still wrestling for WWE. Umaga had a thirteen year career but was an unknown local indy wrestler for over half of it, and died several months after being released for refusing to go to drug rehab.
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Post by Red Impact on Feb 21, 2010 19:07:10 GMT -5
You don't think Studd, JYD, Steele, and Volkoff are HoF worthy? Because I disagree big time. People these days arguably remember Umaga more than those four. Because he was competing more recently. But 10 to 15 years from now are people going to say that Umaga was a significant part of the show or that his character was unique and memorable? I think that's as good of criteria as any for a wrestling Hall of Fame. People are either going in for 1) Important contributions to the company or business, 2) being distinct and memorable enough as a performer that people will remember you well after your time, or 3) being a celebrity who took a bump and is still returning Vince's calls. The fact that he died sucks, it really does. I loved watching the guy, but there's a reason why I don't think he's there, even when people like Koko are in. I think he was a rehashed character who had a decent run but ultimately isn't that memorable. I'll remember him in the same way I'll remember Test.
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Post by Jason on Feb 21, 2010 19:09:34 GMT -5
People these days arguably remember Umaga more than those four. No s***. Umaga was wrestling six months ago, these guys have been retired/deceased for decades. If Umaga is still remembered fondly in another 10-15 years (ala Koko B. Ware), then there might be an argument for putting him in. And even then, the circumstances of his death are going to weight against him. Do you not think now is the right time to put him in, because people remember him? That's what I'm saying. The HOF probably wont even be here in 10-15 years, I think they should induct people like him and maybe Steve Williams, to space out the other "WWE Legends" they have in mind, to headline the future years coming up. This year it's DiBiase, next year it will probably be Warrior, then by some chance we MIGHT get Savage. And then after that, we still have The Rock, Bruno Sammartino, Owen Hart, The British Bulldog (If they happen to do a Wrestlemania in the UK), etc. And by the time they're inducted, you'll probably have Batista, Vince McMahon, Rey Mysterio, HBK, The Undertaker, Chris Jericho, Kane and The Big Show in. They can't be putting all these people like Razor Ramon, Jake Roberts etc in the same class, otherwise they'll be out of names.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Feb 21, 2010 19:11:00 GMT -5
He was a good wrestler, but IMO he doesn't warrant a HOF induction.
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Post by adamclark52 on Feb 21, 2010 19:11:37 GMT -5
in a word, no
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Post by AriadosMan on Feb 21, 2010 19:14:46 GMT -5
I wish that they would only have 1 HOF induction a year and arrange it so you had to be a true ME to get in anyway. That would eliminate some of the more..."questionable" choices.
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Post by Krimzon on Feb 21, 2010 19:25:04 GMT -5
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Umaga eventually got in. It's a Hall of Fame & Umaga's fame was pretty high. Not Cena levels, obviously, but still high. He worked with all the great Main Eventers and was involved in high profile segments with Donald Trump, K-Fed, and the Jackasses. Along with a stint in Japan, he's wrestled with the WWE all over the world. He's also a member of a legendary wrestling family. To be frank, Umaga has more of a claim to be in than some others.
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Post by "The Rated XXX Superstar" Jed on Feb 21, 2010 19:47:32 GMT -5
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Umaga eventually got in. It's a Hall of Fame & Umaga's fame was pretty high. Not Cena levels, obviously, but still high. He worked with all the great Main Eventers and was involved in high profile segments with Donald Trump, K-Fed, and the Jackasses. Along with a stint in Japan, he's wrestled with the WWE all over the world. He's also a member of a legendary wrestling family. To be frank, Umaga has more of a claim to be in than some others. This.
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Post by Christian Troy MD on Feb 21, 2010 19:53:06 GMT -5
What's Umaga done to deserve going in? He died doesn't cut it for me.
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Post by JLAJRC on Feb 21, 2010 19:54:53 GMT -5
No offense, but why would we induct Umaga, since he was nothing more than a Somoa version of Kamala? The WWE even acknowledged this when they had Kamala make that cameo against him. Kamala should go in before Umaga.
Also, can we please stop using the Koko defense. Whether you guys like to admit it or not, Koko was popular back then, even if he lost most of the time. It's not like they inducted Skinner or the Warlord.
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Post by Krimzon on Feb 21, 2010 20:02:08 GMT -5
No offense, but why would we induct Umaga, since he was nothing more than a Somoa version of Kamala? The WWE even acknowledged this when they had Kamala make that cameo against him. Kamala should go in before Umaga. Also, can we please stop using the Koko defense. Whether you guys like to admit it or not, Koko was popular back then, even if he lost most of the time. It's not like they inducted Skinner or the Warlord. Yeah Koko was popular. What else? "Piledriver." That's about it. He didn't really do anything of major import, yet he got in. That's why people go to the Koko defense. If going by career achievements alone, if Koko is in, Umaga certainly should be in.
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Post by AriadosMan on Feb 21, 2010 20:02:54 GMT -5
No offense, but why would we induct Umaga, since he was nothing more than a Somoa version of Kamala? The WWE even acknowledged this when they had Kamala make that cameo against him. Kamala should go in before Umaga. Also, can we please stop using the Koko defense. Whether you guys like to admit it or not, Koko was popular back then, even if he lost most of the time. It's not like they inducted Skinner or the Warlord. Yeah Koko was popular. What else? "Piledriver." That's about it. He didn't really do anything of major import, yet he got in. That's why people go to the Koko defense. If going by career achievements alone, if Koko is in, Umaga certainly should be in. Umaga was nowhere near as popular as Koko was in his prime.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Feb 21, 2010 20:03:30 GMT -5
No s***. Umaga was wrestling six months ago, these guys have been retired/deceased for decades. If Umaga is still remembered fondly in another 10-15 years (ala Koko B. Ware), then there might be an argument for putting him in. And even then, the circumstances of his death are going to weight against him. Do you not think now is the right time to put him in, because people remember him? That's what I'm saying. Given the scrutiny WWE is currently under over drug use among wrestlers? No, unquestionably not. If Umaga's going in, it'll have to be long enough in the future for the post-Benoit drug scandal to have blown over. And we'll have to wait and see whether or not people remember him well enough by then to still want to see him inducted (and I certainly think it's possible they will).
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Post by Krimzon on Feb 21, 2010 20:06:09 GMT -5
Yeah Koko was popular. What else? "Piledriver." That's about it. He didn't really do anything of major import, yet he got in. That's why people go to the Koko defense. If going by career achievements alone, if Koko is in, Umaga certainly should be in. Umaga was nowhere near as popular as Koko was in his prime. Never said he was.
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Post by h on Feb 21, 2010 20:13:42 GMT -5
No, dying as a result of drug abuse isn't an automatic disqualification. I would argue that it should be, though. The Hall of Fame should be about selecting the elite athletes who are worthy of emulation. Is Curt Hennig, someone who chose to snort away his life, worthy of emulation? I don't think so. His choices in life negate his former status as a role model, so I disagree with the WWF shoosing to set him apart as a respresentative of what the company values and wishes to promote.
I realize that many people will disagree with me. In the case of Umaga, though, I simply don't think his career was worthy of Hall of Fame status. I think any argument for induction would be based on sympathy for his early death. It should be remembered, however, that his death was the direct result of the choices he made. He was given the opportunity to turn his life around (and I'm no fan of Vince McMahon, but he did the right thing by offering help and making continued employment dependent upon accepting the rehabilitation offer), and he chose drugs over wrestling.
Nobody who chooses drugs over wrestling belongs in the Hall of Fame.
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Post by Christian Troy MD on Feb 21, 2010 20:15:26 GMT -5
Nobody who chooses drugs over wrestling belong in the Hall of Fame. No offense to this guy but this had me laughing. Idk why either. Again, no offense but this is like the wackiest thing I've read in awhile.
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Post by h on Feb 21, 2010 20:18:40 GMT -5
Nobody who chooses drugs over wrestling belong in the Hall of Fame. No offense to this guy but this had me laughing. Idk why either. Again, no offense but this is like the wackiest thing I've read in awhile. None taken. Mr. Hughes is my favourite wrestler, I think Giant Gonzalez had decent wrestling abilities, I prefer Mantaur to Ric Flair, and I believe that Vince McMahon is the embodiment of all that is evil in this world. As I'm sure you can imagine, I get that quite often.
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on Feb 21, 2010 20:23:15 GMT -5
Nobody who chooses drugs over wrestling belong in the Hall of Fame. No offense to this guy but this had me laughing. Idk why either. Again, no offense but this is like the wackiest thing I've read in awhile. That's saying a lot, just for this thread. ;D I say no. Hall of Pretty Good, yeah, but he wasn't big enough, popular enough, or around long enough to merit an induction. It's like asking if Tajiri should get in. The best (or maybe most popular) case would be "oh, if Koko B. Ware is in..." This isn't a legitimate Hall of Fame, in the sense that it doesn't have all that much to do with their accomplishments. One guy decides, ultimately, and Umaga isn't going to be in that light any time soon.
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Post by biggdeez40 on Feb 21, 2010 20:41:34 GMT -5
I'm a big Umaga fan but get serious. There are at least a hundred non main eventer (or filler inductions as some call it) that are just as deserving. If in 10 or fifteen years he is as fondly remembered by fans and his peers as Koko, then put him in. There is no reason to do it now. They're obviously trying to focus on inducting people who are still living. If they're going to induct deceased wrestlers I'd think Rude, Davey Boy, Bigelow, Bossman, Yokozuna, Pillman, Steve Williams, Hawk and several others should be priority over Umaga.
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