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Post by EvilMasterBetty, Esq. on Mar 30, 2010 8:17:07 GMT -5
As you read deeper it mentions things like assault and statutory rape that goes beyond what one would think of as 'bullying'. Yeah, what bugs me is that the title of the article focuses on the cyber bullying. See, I doubt THAT was her biggest problem with these kids considering you know, assault and rape. Seriously, I can't believe some people can go THIS far into hating someone for no reason other than "she dated the guy WE wanted to date!" I hope they don't get any "Extenuating circumstances" on the ground that they're teens. They don't deserve it. They knew fully well what they were doing and even kept insulting her after her death when people were trying to mourn her passing. They have absolutely no excuse whatsoever, they should be tried in the same way as adults and they should be given the harshest penalty they can get. Actually, don't downplay cyber-bullying. Just think of how much interaction goes on outside of school. Before, once you went home you could usually get away and be with family/real friends. But now, being on facebook or AIM or MySpace or whatever is a regular part of being a teenager, in addition to having your own cell phone (and probably a nice one). So your choice is either not doing all of this stuff and feeling even more ostracized and left out or having it but opening yourself up to harassment 24/7. Yes the actual physical torment was worse, but the cyber-bullying was like throwing a keg-sized Molotov cocktail onto the fire.
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Post by Mac on Mar 30, 2010 8:35:19 GMT -5
This happened a month or so ago and was all over the news then, and just yesterday they finally dropped the hammer on those who bullied her so bad.
Im not a fan of prosecution for these kids because whos to say what words can be so severe that they cause someone to kill themselves. I could say one off the cuff remark that causes someone to lose it and kill themselves b ut Im certainly not bullying them.
I think these kids are disgusting, bullying is one thing, incesent bullying is worse and pissing on her grave after shes gone is unthinkable. I'm glad we can see all their faces, and I really hope they grow up and become remorseful, and maybe turn their lives around because these kids aren't good people right now.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 30, 2010 10:56:44 GMT -5
Yeah, what bugs me is that the title of the article focuses on the cyber bullying. See, I doubt THAT was her biggest problem with these kids considering you know, assault and rape. Seriously, I can't believe some people can go THIS far into hating someone for no reason other than "she dated the guy WE wanted to date!" I hope they don't get any "Extenuating circumstances" on the ground that they're teens. They don't deserve it. They knew fully well what they were doing and even kept insulting her after her death when people were trying to mourn her passing. They have absolutely no excuse whatsoever, they should be tried in the same way as adults and they should be given the harshest penalty they can get. I'm going to hell for thinking about this part, but I'm curious to see how the two guys and the rape played into the bullying of the girl. Call me crazy, but I'm wondering if the sex in at least one case was consentual, leading to the bullying, but the guy got nailed because she was 16. I could be very very wrong (or seen too many SVUs), but just wondering. Since it's statutory rape, and the article mentions the bullying started because she briefly dated an older popular guy there, I'd say that's a pretty good guess.
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Post by default on Mar 30, 2010 11:25:44 GMT -5
This really sickens me and breaks my heart. No one deserves that at all. I've experienced that through out middle school and high school. Since I was bigger than alot of people no one would mess with my physically, but they got to me mentally. I probably would have been miserable going through what this girl went through. I don't know if I would have taken my own life..but that doesn't matter. No one should have had to go through there school lifes in fear of these horrible people. God this really pisses me off!!! See, I was the opposite. I was always the shortest (and then skinniest) guy in the school, so I got quite a bit of physical abuse especially in middle school. I built up a defense mechanism to not let them get to me mentally. I still remember the day it pretty much started in middle school... when a kid would rattle my desk everyday to the point I told his friend who was doing some weird "trying to be my friend" stuff that if he kept going I'd pocket a spoon out of the cafeteria and gouge the kid's eyes out when he least expected it. Today, I'd likely end up hauled away for saying that, but it worked then and the kid stopped. Still it turned me into a hate-filled kid for a quite a few years... talking shit, instigating, out for revenge, whatever. It wasn't until the last few years that I've really calmed down. But for my social behavior, it definitely didn't help in the least. One of the things that bothers me most is the fact that there are still the teachers in place from the 80's and 90's when this stuff was ignored that are still ignoring it. Each and everyone of them in cases like this that are ignoring them should be sent off to some form of class to learn how to deal with these issues. I know all too well of teachers doing nothing. One day a kid slapped a padlock on my bookbag to my desk when I went to the bathroom. At the end of class, I ended up picking up the entire desk and starting out of the classroom as that was the only way the teacher was going to stop it. I'd been pegged with stuff in the back of the head and saw the teacher see whatever hit me, see me sitting there bright red in anger and just go back to teaching. It's just ridiculous in a sue-happy society where you can get kicked out of school for having an aspirin or a mohawk that violence and even bullying can still go on with so seemingly little interest in fixing the problem. Even with countless efforts by parents and the news trying to address the issue.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Mar 30, 2010 11:38:29 GMT -5
Yeah, what bugs me is that the title of the article focuses on the cyber bullying. See, I doubt THAT was her biggest problem with these kids considering you know, assault and rape. Seriously, I can't believe some people can go THIS far into hating someone for no reason other than "she dated the guy WE wanted to date!" I hope they don't get any "Extenuating circumstances" on the ground that they're teens. They don't deserve it. They knew fully well what they were doing and even kept insulting her after her death when people were trying to mourn her passing. They have absolutely no excuse whatsoever, they should be tried in the same way as adults and they should be given the harshest penalty they can get. Actually, don't downplay cyber-bullying. Just think of how much interaction goes on outside of school. Before, once you went home you could usually get away and be with family/real friends. But now, being on facebook or AIM or MySpace or whatever is a regular part of being a teenager, in addition to having your own cell phone (and probably a nice one). So your choice is either not doing all of this stuff and feeling even more ostracized and left out or having it but opening yourself up to harassment 24/7. Yes the actual physical torment was worse, but the cyber-bullying was like throwing a keg-sized Molotov cocktail onto the fire. I don't know, I just don't view cyber-bullying as such a bad thing. I mean, people are dicks on the Internet all the time, and it can usually be chalked up to insecure douchebags trying to hide the fact that they're insecure douchebags. Besides, even though it obviously didn't help matters, it definitely wasn't the biggest problem here, so putting the focus on this in the title just seems odd.
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Post by Killah Ray on Mar 30, 2010 12:12:40 GMT -5
Actually, don't downplay cyber-bullying. Just think of how much interaction goes on outside of school. Before, once you went home you could usually get away and be with family/real friends. But now, being on facebook or AIM or MySpace or whatever is a regular part of being a teenager, in addition to having your own cell phone (and probably a nice one). So your choice is either not doing all of this stuff and feeling even more ostracized and left out or having it but opening yourself up to harassment 24/7. Yes the actual physical torment was worse, but the cyber-bullying was like throwing a keg-sized Molotov cocktail onto the fire. I don't know, I just don't view cyber-bullying as such a bad thing. I mean, people are dicks on the Internet all the time, and it can usually be chalked up to insecure douchebags trying to hide the fact that they're insecure douchebags. Besides, even though it obviously didn't help matters, it definitely wasn't the biggest problem here, so putting the focus on this in the title just seems odd. Yeah I think cyber bullying is kinda overstated...I mean there are simple ways around it...have a Facebook or Myspace page? Make it private... Someone have your AIM name? Just make a new one and set it to private where only people on your friend's list can message you... I may be one of the wrong ones to speak on this issue since I have never in my life been bullied in school, but the bullying that goes on in schools seems like what is the underlying problem here.. How in this day and age when you can be expelled for the smallest of offenses this continues I have no idea.... I think it's really gonna take a huge lawsuit from one of these cases for this to finally be rectified as a whole... And on another note, I take offense to the guys being charged with statutory rape....they were only 17 and she was what 15 or 16? Seems ridiculous that you can be registered as a sex offender for having sex with a school mate....
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Post by bamblink on Mar 30, 2010 12:21:59 GMT -5
i hate bullys
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Post by bob on Mar 30, 2010 12:22:10 GMT -5
there's a story about this in my local newspaper tragic
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Post by darthalexander on Mar 30, 2010 12:28:39 GMT -5
There are a lot of people who think bullying is "funny" or just "kids being kids" but it can be horrible for the people going through it. I was bullied so much that I started thinking about suicide when I was 10.
There's a kid here in Quebec who ran away from home almost 2 years ago because of this (no one knows if he's alive or not).
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Post by nate5054 on Mar 30, 2010 12:51:45 GMT -5
And the story says that faculty and other adults knew of the bullying, even witnessed it, and did nothing. How vile. Shocking. And by shocking I mean completely expected.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Mar 30, 2010 12:59:49 GMT -5
I'm so glad we moved in the sixth grade. There was a guy who bullied me when I ran into him on my way home from elementary school. Thankfully thanks to the school bus that wasn't often. If I'd gone onto the highschool he was at he'd no doubt have made the next to years hell for me.
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Post by mattperiolat on Mar 30, 2010 15:08:50 GMT -5
I don't know, I just don't view cyber-bullying as such a bad thing. I mean, people are dicks on the Internet all the time, and it can usually be chalked up to insecure douchebags trying to hide the fact that they're insecure douchebags. Besides, even though it obviously didn't help matters, it definitely wasn't the biggest problem here, so putting the focus on this in the title just seems odd. Yeah I think cyber bullying is kinda overstated...I mean there are simple ways around it...have a Facebook or Myspace page? Make it private... Someone have your AIM name? Just make a new one and set it to private where only people on your friend's list can message you... I may be one of the wrong ones to speak on this issue since I have never in my life been bullied in school, but the bullying that goes on in schools seems like what is the underlying problem here.. How in this day and age when you can be expelled for the smallest of offenses this continues I have no idea.... I think it's really gonna take a huge lawsuit from one of these cases for this to finally be rectified as a whole... And on another note, I take offense to the guys being charged with statutory rape....they were only 17 and she was what 15 or 16? Seems ridiculous that you can be registered as a sex offender for having sex with a school mate.... First off, the cyber bullying. As mentioned up thread a ways, this is a new tool being used to great effectiveness by some really awful people. Unfortunately, privatizing your Facebook page or blocking AIMs just doesn't work in today's culture. They will find ways around it and it won't stop the actual face to face stuff. I dunno what happened and when, but boy, has our culture turned mean or what? As to the rape charges, I have a new theory on that one. It serves as one of two functions: first, it makes it look like the police are finally doing something by charging everyone involved, which frankly, they should have done long ago. The second and for me, more likely option is that this is leverage on the boys. Threaten them with prison (which from what I've heard even regular prisoners are pretty tough on child abusers) or with the sex offender registration to get them to flip on the girls. Maybe get charged with a lesser offense if they cooperate. I won't even get into my own theories on the age of consent law since this isn't the forum, but just what I'm thinking.
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Post by hollywood on Mar 30, 2010 15:27:28 GMT -5
This sort of thing is just so foreign to me. It reminds me I was lucky to attend the high school I did.
It wasn't perfect. Far from it. It damn sure had it's problems. But this sort of thing never happened.
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Post by hassanchop on Mar 30, 2010 15:31:54 GMT -5
And don't kid yourself for one minute because most teachers don't want to get involved. I heard a LOT of teachers wash their hands, simply saying "I'm not here to be a parent or a babysitter." and just let it go. In my opinion a lot of people act that way UNTIL IT HAPPENS to them. They probably only care for themselves.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Mar 30, 2010 16:20:23 GMT -5
It doesn't surprise me that the faculty turned a blind eye to this. Hell, in my junior high, they usually sided with the bullies.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2010 17:17:47 GMT -5
This is probably not the time or place to get preachy, but there's a connection.
I've taken a lot of abuse in high school. But, never, have I ever experienced such a situation where I thought the only way to fix the problem was killing myself. Girls weren't into me, guys thought I was a dork. I went into a shell and hid in my own little world. I wasn't into whatever everybody else was into.
When I was in the Army, I was having a down time. I was depressed, I just didn't care about life. They sent me to a chaplain. He told me I needed to find something inside me I was really into, and focus my attention on that. Find an interest. Here's a library if you like to read or just need a quiet place to get away.
Believe it or not, wrestling was my outlet. Whenever I'm in any kind of rough situation, I turn to the one place that makes me happy. I hid in my room or went for a bike ride creating characters, or I book matches. I simulated PPVs and TV.
Kids today don't have that special place. They want to be where everybody else is, to be accepted by others. They don't want to feel alone. They are never told "the first person you should be accepted by is yourself". Forget what everybody else says about you. Stop trying to please the world. As long as you're fine with yourself, then everything else will fall into place when the time comes.
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Post by King Devitt on Mar 30, 2010 17:56:35 GMT -5
I had to be "the new kid" in high school under somewhat similar circumstances. Almost all of the people who became my friends did so AFTER high school. I don't know why anyone would be nostalgic for such a time. i'll agree to that.
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Post by MCMGM on Mar 30, 2010 20:35:32 GMT -5
My parents actually tried there best with trying to help me against bullies while in middle school. Problem was most of the teachers really didn't give a crap about it and left it alone. It did get better a little bit in High School, but I still had to deal with little jerks who used to through batteries at my head on the school bus. Yeah, I got chased and batteries got thrown at me. Got spit on, my jacket set on fire, while I was wearing it. I understand where the poor girl was coming from, thought about ending it quite a few times myself in school.
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Post by tartsonawire on Mar 30, 2010 20:44:33 GMT -5
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Post by hollywood on Mar 30, 2010 21:54:23 GMT -5
In the teachers' defense, it's pretty easy to turn a blind eye to that sort of thing. Oftentimes, whenever they speak up about it, parents will come down on them. Hard. After all, who the hell do they think they are? Telling them how to parent their children?
It doesn't excuse it, but I understand.
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