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Post by Alex Shelley on Mar 8, 2010 14:04:20 GMT -5
See, if this was say... The Miz, that was getting the beer bottles thrown at him, it would be "X-Pac heat" I disagree here. While The Miz's character is an extreme version of himself (but hell, most wrestlers' characters are nowadays), the hatred aimed at him is more an example of "kayfabe lives". People despise The Miz so much, he's SO annoying, that people forget that he's playing a character. Coming from a person who has a background in acting, The Miz has some of the best acting skills on the roster. He makes people truly believe that he really is this giant asshole, that he's not just pretending to be one on TV. As for Jericho... I do think that, with any wrestler that the majority of people adore, there will be some degree of overratedness... But I think that Jericho does deserve the credit he gets. He was never supposed to be the "main guy" of the company. He's a solid worker who can do well in any situation. His character is becoming a bit stale, sure, but whose ISN'T? I still find the grumpy suit-wearing Jericho hilarious, and I probably will until the day he gets a gimmick change.
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Post by Jason on Mar 8, 2010 14:08:28 GMT -5
CM Punk, The Miz, Batista, Edge, Sheamus, just to name a few aren't stale atm, to me.
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Post by Piccolo on Mar 8, 2010 14:12:51 GMT -5
I like Jericho because he's not really bad at anything. He can go out and have a random match with no buildup, and it'll be at least semi decent. He can talk it up in a suit without any physical interaction, and it'll work. He can move along a feud, and it'll make sense. He's not really the best at any one thing (though that's arguable, since he might be the best in the E at the moment at getting the crowd to boo him when he pics up a mic for an in ring promo), but he's pretty good at everything. This is pretty much how I feel, too. He doesn't set my world afire or anything, but he's always at least serviceable in whatever role he's in, and he's occasionally terrific. So, he's a very dependable figure on the roster, and deserves praise for his consistency and hard work.
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Post by corndog on Mar 8, 2010 14:28:58 GMT -5
The reason he is an IWC darling is because of his ability. Of course in the WWE you don't get to even really show 1/4 of your entire moveset most of the time. He is held in high regard for his ability to tell a story in a match, to be convincing in the ring, and because of the little things he does. His character has become a bit stale, but it's been 2 years, so it's to be expected. He isn't up there with Austin, or Hogan, but he was never supposed to be. He was not made to be the WWE's "chosen one". He was meant to be one of their signature faces however, much like a Kurt Angle, who always delivered when they were needed. His look much better suits his gimmick and while at first I didn't like it, it is now second nature to me. In the end it all comes down to what you can do in the ring and out of it. Jericho does both well because he is a believable character at both. He is the WWE's go to guy for any feud because he does so well at getting heat and working a match with virtually anyone. This is most of what I wanted to say. Also the reason Jericho got so much love when he changed to serious Jericho is he proved that he can play a completely different character than he has been his entire career and do it very well, how many wrestlers have actually pulled that off? I am not talking about toning down or playing up certain aspects, actually becoming a completely different character. As far as Jericho being a transitional champion and never the guy, well that is just how the business goes. I hate to say this and I may get alot of heat for this, but if Micheals came up in the 2000s and didn't get to the top in the mid-90s when the star power was weak in the WWF, I bet he would be right about where Jericho is, maybe with one solid title reign.
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Post by BxB on Mar 8, 2010 14:43:06 GMT -5
CM Punk, The Miz, Batista, Edge, Sheamus, just to name a few aren't stale atm, to me. Batista recently turned heel. Edge just turned face. Sheamus is fairly new to the main-event scene. If they kept the same character for more than two years, you'd call them stale too. It's just the nature of the business now, with WWE having so many shows on air, plus PPV's.
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Post by Red Impact on Mar 8, 2010 14:43:42 GMT -5
See, if this was say... The Miz, that was getting the beer bottles thrown at him, it would be "X-Pac heat" I disagree here. While The Miz's character is an extreme version of himself (but hell, most wrestlers' characters are nowadays), the hatred aimed at him is more an example of "kayfabe lives". People despise The Miz so much, he's SO annoying, that people forget that he's playing a character. Yeah, X-Pac heat is when you're tired of seeing someone that you don't care either way. The Miz, like him or hate him, gets some feeling from most people.
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Post by Red Impact on Mar 8, 2010 14:46:04 GMT -5
You say that like everyone on the internet has the exact same opinion. I think it's safe to say that most people on the internet are Jericho marks. I think it's safe to say that, of the more than 1 billion people who use the internet daily, most people on the internet either have no clue or no opinion on the guy one way or the other
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Post by AriadosMan on Mar 8, 2010 14:48:24 GMT -5
Sheamus is a terrible heel, and doesn't deserve to curtain jerk let alone get mentioned in the same breath as Jericho. If anything, Jericho is UNDERRATED, considering that what parts of the guest GM gimmick that are actually watchable are largely due to his work.
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Post by thuschongswing on Mar 8, 2010 14:49:30 GMT -5
He is held in high regard for his ability to tell a story in a match, to be convincing in the ring, and because of the little things he does. Someone said it was hypocriticial that the same people on the internet who lambaste 'boring heel' Randy Orton also praise 'boring heel' Chris Jericho. Well, these three reasons are exactly why Orton is disliked and Jericho is beloved.
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Post by Jason on Mar 8, 2010 15:00:43 GMT -5
Sheamus is a terrible heel, and doesn't deserve to curtain jerk let alone get mentioned in the same breath as Jericho. If anything, Jericho is UNDERRATED, considering that what parts of the guest GM gimmick that are actually watchable are largely due to his work. Because Jericho has "workrate", amirite? I prefer to watch Sheamus at the moment. He's fresh. My point is with Chris Jericho, he cuts the same promo every week. His character isn't stale, it's his "schtick". He comes out and calls us hypocrites every week, it's getting boring. And I believe that if it was anybody other than him, you would all agree.
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Post by Thank You Shawn on Mar 8, 2010 15:12:05 GMT -5
I would say you're crazy, easily in the top 10 of all time.
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Post by Sephiroth on Mar 8, 2010 15:20:28 GMT -5
I'll be the one to come out and say I agree. I've never seen where Jericho was anywhere near as great as the IWC hypes him to be. I will give him credit: Jericho is a marvelous all round performer. He is solid in the ring, solid on the mic, knows how to work the crowd. But I never saw him as anywhere near on the scale of Austin or The Rock, and I even got tired of those two after a while.
I'll probably get flamed to infinity for saying this, but I have long thought a huge reason Jericho is much loved by the IWC was because he seemed like the most obvious victim of the Triple H "reign of terror" as another thread dubbed it. I will agree that Jericho deserved a good run with the title. However, everyone screamed then (and some still do now) that Triple H deliberately held Jericho down out of insecurity and/or jealousy of his talent. Much like the rest of America, the IWC loves an underdog story. And that scenario makes Jericho out to be the underdog.
And I'm also going to risk the flaming and come right out and say it: if Jericho had a "reign of terror" style run where he plowed over everyone on the roster and never lost, eventually people would get bored with that and rant against him as well.
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Post by AriadosMan on Mar 8, 2010 15:23:21 GMT -5
Sheamus is a terrible heel, and doesn't deserve to curtain jerk let alone get mentioned in the same breath as Jericho. If anything, Jericho is UNDERRATED, considering that what parts of the guest GM gimmick that are actually watchable are largely due to his work. Because Jericho has "workrate", amirite? I prefer to watch Sheamus at the moment. He's fresh. My point is with Chris Jericho, he cuts the same promo every week. His character isn't stale, it's his "schtick". He comes out and calls us hypocrites every week, it's getting boring. And I believe that if it was anybody other than him, you would all agree. How the hell is Sheamus "fresh"? What exactly does his character contribute, other than random run-ins and spiky hair? For a long time Orton was a boring run-in machine too but he at least invented the "Viper" mannerisms and ran with them. I have yet to see Sheamus ACT in an interesting manner in the ring rather than just DO things. All that Lameus is good for, at best, is to be stuck in the Umaga/Yokozuna position his entire career. And even then Umaga's mannerisms were far more entertaining than anything Sheamus has done.
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Post by primetime110 on Mar 8, 2010 15:35:28 GMT -5
I'll be the one to come out and say I agree. I've never seen where Jericho was anywhere near as great as the IWC hypes him to be. I will give him credit: Jericho is a marvelous all round performer. He is solid in the ring, solid on the mic, knows how to work the crowd. But I never saw him as anywhere near on the scale of Austin or The Rock, and I even got tired of those two after a while. I'll probably get flamed to infinity for saying this, but I have long thought a huge reason Jericho is much loved by the IWC was because he seemed like the most obvious victim of the Triple H "reign of terror" as another thread dubbed it. I will agree that Jericho deserved a good run with the title. However, everyone screamed then (and some still do now) that Triple H deliberately held Jericho down out of insecurity and/or jealousy of his talent. Much like the rest of America, the IWC loves an underdog story. And that scenario makes Jericho out to be the underdog. And I'm also going to risk the flaming and come right out and say it: if Jericho had a "reign of terror" style run where he plowed over everyone on the roster and never lost, eventually people would get bored with that and rant against him as well. This is what bugs me. If anyone says anything bad about punk, Jericho, and now Daniel Bryan or not refer to them as a God, They have to put " At the risk of getting flamed" or I know I will get flamed" in their post. Noone has to say that in a HHH, Batista, Cena and now Edge thread. Unless they talk good about said wrestlers. Posters shouldn't have to include that in their post when expressing their opinions. In any thread and with any wrestler.
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Post by AriadosMan on Mar 8, 2010 15:36:58 GMT -5
I'll be the one to come out and say I agree. I've never seen where Jericho was anywhere near as great as the IWC hypes him to be. I will give him credit: Jericho is a marvelous all round performer. He is solid in the ring, solid on the mic, knows how to work the crowd. But I never saw him as anywhere near on the scale of Austin or The Rock, and I even got tired of those two after a while. I'll probably get flamed to infinity for saying this, but I have long thought a huge reason Jericho is much loved by the IWC was because he seemed like the most obvious victim of the Triple H "reign of terror" as another thread dubbed it. I will agree that Jericho deserved a good run with the title. However, everyone screamed then (and some still do now) that Triple H deliberately held Jericho down out of insecurity and/or jealousy of his talent. Much like the rest of America, the IWC loves an underdog story. And that scenario makes Jericho out to be the underdog. And I'm also going to risk the flaming and come right out and say it: if Jericho had a "reign of terror" style run where he plowed over everyone on the roster and never lost, eventually people would get bored with that and rant against him as well. This is what bugs me. If anyone says anything bad about punk, Jericho, and now Daniel Bryan or not refer to them as a God, They have to put " At the risk of getting flamed" or I know I will get flamed" in their post. Noone has to say that in a HHH, Batista, Cena and now Edge thread. Unless they talk good about said wrestlers. Posters shouldn't have to include that in their post when expressing their opinions. In any thread and with any wrestler. To be fair, the Batista hate seems to be rapidly subsiding.
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Post by lennon on Mar 8, 2010 15:49:09 GMT -5
Sheamus is a terrible heel, and doesn't deserve to curtain jerk let alone get mentioned in the same breath as Jericho. If anything, Jericho is UNDERRATED, considering that what parts of the guest GM gimmick that are actually watchable are largely due to his work. Because Jericho has "workrate", amirite? I prefer to watch Sheamus at the moment. He's fresh. My point is with Chris Jericho, he cuts the same promo every week. His character isn't stale, it's his "schtick". He comes out and calls us hypocrites every week, it's getting boring. And I believe that if it was anybody other than him, you would all agree. Sorry...but now it's looking more and more like this thread was created in hopes that you'd change everyone's mind and we'd all stop and go "Yes, He's Overrated! Can't believe I ever liked that guy!". Who cares if lots of people love him? Why does it bother you?
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Post by variable on Mar 8, 2010 16:02:07 GMT -5
I'll be the one to come out and say I agree. I've never seen where Jericho was anywhere near as great as the IWC hypes him to be. I will give him credit: Jericho is a marvelous all round performer. He is solid in the ring, solid on the mic, knows how to work the crowd. But I never saw him as anywhere near on the scale of Austin or The Rock, and I even got tired of those two after a while. I'll probably get flamed to infinity for saying this, but I have long thought a huge reason Jericho is much loved by the IWC was because he seemed like the most obvious victim of the Triple H "reign of terror" as another thread dubbed it. I will agree that Jericho deserved a good run with the title. However, everyone screamed then (and some still do now) that Triple H deliberately held Jericho down out of insecurity and/or jealousy of his talent. Much like the rest of America, the IWC loves an underdog story. And that scenario makes Jericho out to be the underdog. And I'm also going to risk the flaming and come right out and say it: if Jericho had a "reign of terror" style run where he plowed over everyone on the roster and never lost, eventually people would get bored with that and rant against him as well. This is what bugs me. If anyone says anything bad about punk, Jericho, and now Daniel Bryan or not refer to them as a God, They have to put " At the risk of getting flamed" or I know I will get flamed" in their post. Noone has to say that in a HHH, Batista, Cena and now Edge thread. Unless they talk good about said wrestlers. Posters shouldn't have to include that in their post when expressing their opinions. In any thread and with any wrestler. you realize they don't actually have to put that, right?
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Post by primetime110 on Mar 8, 2010 17:00:08 GMT -5
This is what bugs me. If anyone says anything bad about punk, Jericho, and now Daniel Bryan or not refer to them as a God, They have to put " At the risk of getting flamed" or I know I will get flamed" in their post. Noone has to say that in a HHH, Batista, Cena and now Edge thread. Unless they talk good about said wrestlers. Posters shouldn't have to include that in their post when expressing their opinions. In any thread and with any wrestler. you realize they don't actually have to put that, right? I know they don't. I don't. But some posters feel the need to put that in their post because of the backlash they will get. In other threads, The thought doesn't even cross their mind.
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Post by The Verdict on Mar 8, 2010 17:03:45 GMT -5
I just love the double standards, Edge's "spear" thing is apparently stale as hell yet Jericho has cut the exact same promo for like 6 months...
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Post by Datalore on Mar 8, 2010 17:13:59 GMT -5
I think he's stale at the moment, but bring back his Y2J persona as heel OR face, and that would be awesome.
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