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Post by sunwukong on Jun 17, 2010 14:49:28 GMT -5
I guess it's because of the "hippster" dialogue in the movie that bugs people but really that was done in a satirical manner but I don't think people picked that up and sure no one exactly talks like that but to a slight degree they do so Diablo Cody was using hyperbole to prove a point except people not smart enough couldn't pick that up. Also all in all the plot and humor was the best in a comedy in years that wasn't a "dramedy" ie-Little Miss Sunshine, Enternal Sunshine, Sideways and really it was an effective movie in my opinion and had a good soundtrack. Really don't get the hate and I agree Ellen Page was awesome in this movie and I though she deserved to win for best actress. If she was just using hyperbole that "people not smart enough" couldn't pick up, she wouldn't have been using the same type of dialogue in her other productions. But that's not the case, you'll hear the same stilted dialogue in the other stuff she writes. Which I think has kind of labeled her as a one trick pony. Jennifer's Body flopping didn't help. I think her next project is a Sweet Valley High adaptation. She went from winning an Oscar to Sweet Valley High. That's an epic fall.
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Post by John Galt on Jun 17, 2010 14:53:05 GMT -5
I haven't even seen it, and it really goes the same way as Avatar, but I want to watch both of them long after they've run their course of popularity so I can actually enjoy (or hate) them for what they're worth. I've got no real opinion on it till then. You could just watch them and form an unbiased opinion now if you wanted, just a thought.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 17, 2010 14:54:16 GMT -5
I really didn't care about the style of dialog. The entire point of the Juno character was that she was just an odd kid, and while whether you like that kind of character or not is a fine debate to have, I never felt like she was speaking in a way that seemed completely impossible.
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Jun 17, 2010 15:19:23 GMT -5
I actually really liked Juno, but when I saw Diablo Cody and heard her talk, I hated her instantly. She's every hipster stereotype rolled up in one self absorbed twit. I was happy when Jennifer's Body ate a bag, that should knock her down a peg and get her to start rethinking her strategy. Juno was a shot in the dark winner from a person who would otherwise crank out dreck.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 17, 2010 15:21:58 GMT -5
Yeah, I know next to nothing about Diablo Cody herself...I really try not to concern myself 99% of the time with what almost any famous people are like.
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Post by rhennesey on Jun 17, 2010 15:23:48 GMT -5
I never caught Juno. It looked too Indy for me. I had a friend who told me there were nine girls that got pregnant at his high school after seeing the flick.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2010 15:53:37 GMT -5
I haven't even seen it, and it really goes the same way as Avatar, but I want to watch both of them long after they've run their course of popularity so I can actually enjoy (or hate) them for what they're worth. I've got no real opinion on it till then. You could just watch them and form an unbiased opinion now if you wanted, just a thought. I can't; I'm a contrarian by nature. If something that I'm not especially high on his presented to me in a way where I feel it's being shoved down my throat, I develop an irreverent hostility to it until it ceases to be relevant or becomes good to the point where I feel it lives up to the hype. But I know better and try to restrain myself from being like that. So what's the best plan of action? Restrict the flow of things. People won't be coming up to me in a year or two and constantly telling me how great Juno or Avatar is, so if I don't like them, I won't become angry that people forced something on to me since that obviously can't become the case. Moreover, if I do like them, I can truly like them for exactly what they're worth.
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Post by Red Impact on Jun 17, 2010 15:56:20 GMT -5
As Juno is 3 years old, I think it's long run it's course on popularity. People don't talk about it now.
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Post by waluigi on Jun 17, 2010 15:56:31 GMT -5
All this vitriol and hate for the dialog, and Diablo Cody, or Ellen Page, and Micheal Cera seems to be clouding the fact that JK Simmons was in this movie......and he kicks ass! "Next time I see that Bleeker kid I'm going to punch him in the wiener." That one line had me laughing for like 6 solid minutes. I still laugh about it to this day. JK Simmons was the one saving grace of this film. He seems to make a career out of that. Spider-Man 3...Burn After Reading...the eps of Law and Order he was in...
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jun 17, 2010 15:57:58 GMT -5
JK Simmons was the one saving grace of this film. He seems to make a career out of that. Spider-Man 3...Burn After Reading...the eps of Law and Order he was in... Burn After Reading was great as a whole, though....
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Post by Paul on Jun 17, 2010 15:59:46 GMT -5
Juno is given some of the worst dialogue I've ever heard a character say on film. Nobody talks like that in the real world.
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Post by waluigi on Jun 17, 2010 16:09:29 GMT -5
He seems to make a career out of that. Spider-Man 3...Burn After Reading...the eps of Law and Order he was in... Burn After Reading was great as a whole, though.... It was one of three movies that made me fall asleep in the middle. Oh, for the love of Jebus, do I really have to tell you not to open up that can of worms? Please don't. -HMark
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 17, 2010 16:21:02 GMT -5
Juno is given some of the worst dialogue I've ever heard a character say on film. Nobody talks like that in the real world. Not really true, and, again, the entire point of the character was that she was an oddball, and wasn't like most other people.
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Jun 17, 2010 16:23:01 GMT -5
I liked the movie a lot, but I think it might have rubbed some people the wrong way insofar as it doesn't show teen pregnancy to have any real consequences. Her parents don't really get mad at her, she doesn't put up with any grief from anybody at school or in the neighborhood and, if we're to believe the movie simply by what we're shown/told, then Bleaker's parents probably never even knew about the pregnancy (since his mom is illustrated as someone who really doesn't want her son around Juno - the implication being that she'd flip dick if she found out Juno was carrying her son's baby).
Juno's pregnancy is simply treated as a minor inconvenience. Yes, she goes through a lot of emotional turmoil, but you can't really even say that the experience changes her all that much outside of bringing her closer to Pauly and her parents. And I don't even know if you'd call that individual growth.
All in all, I don't know. I loved the movie. Yeah, the dialogue gets to be a bit too much (how would ANY teenager know who the f*** Soupy Sales was?), but I was able to overlook that since the performances worked so well (between Ellen Page, JK Simmons, and Michael Cera actually being used effectively, i.e., in small doses of nerdery). But I can see why people would be put-off by a girl who is flippant about her pregnancy, doesn't really go through all that much, then has the baby, gives it away, and is right back to riding her bike and strumming guitar with her boyfriend in the summer sun by movie's end.
I'm not saying that the film should have been bleaker (no pun intended), but there should have at least been some dramatic tension that in some way relates what a big deal teen pregnancy is, even though it's waaaaaaay more common (if not even expected) now.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Jun 17, 2010 16:31:24 GMT -5
I don't despise it, but it wasn't a great movie in any aspect so I was just underwhelmed. I don't think there's anything wrong with going for a quirky/different feel, but with the way a few lines grated me, there is such a thing as trying too much as well.
Did make me like Ellen Page all the more so I can't be too down on it.
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Post by waluigi on Jun 17, 2010 16:40:53 GMT -5
Burn After Reading was great as a whole, though.... It was one of three movies that made me fall asleep in the middle. Oh, for the love of Jebus, do I really have to tell you not to open up that can of worms? Please don't. -HMarkWow, so I can't even mention stuff like that if it's true, and just in passing? I guess rules are rules but that's...drastic.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2010 17:15:08 GMT -5
As Juno is 3 years old, I think it's long run it's course on popularity. People don't talk about it now. I honestly forgot about it till this thread showed up. Now I actually want to see it, finally, for indicated reasons, so I guess this is as good a time as any.
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Jun 17, 2010 17:18:17 GMT -5
As Juno is 3 years old, I think it's long run it's course on popularity. People don't talk about it now. I honestly forgot about it till this thread showed up. Now I actually want to see it, finally, for indicated reasons, so I guess this is as good a time as any. If anything, the film works in spite of it's hipster dialog. The reason why this film works and Jennifer's Body doesn't is because the actors are far better and can make dialog like that work. It's still bad, but the acting more than makes up for it so it's not that big of an issue.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2010 17:35:15 GMT -5
I didn't hate it, but I didn't like it. The dialogue tried too hard to be hipster and came across as stupid. How Diablo Cody won the Oscar for a very average screenplay I have no idea. So in that respect, I blame the writing. But it was really pretentious too. And having seen clips of his other films and feeling the same way, I think I can blame that on Jason Reitman's directing. The acting was fine, I liked the actors in it. Just not the characters they played.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jun 17, 2010 18:16:27 GMT -5
Rainn Wilson's character is the only one that bothered me, luckily he wasn't on screen much.
Him talking like that is much dumber than Juno doing it.
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