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Post by noleafclover1980 on Mar 24, 2010 5:07:09 GMT -5
To be fair, Hogan DID supposedly sabotage his match against Sting w/ the whole "fast count" debacle. And while Hogan didn't sabotage his match w/ Warrior, he did admit the whole hugging Warrior after the match and giving him the belt was him trying to steal Warrior's spotlight and make him a sympathetic figure in the end.
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Post by Wii M Punk on Mar 24, 2010 5:10:22 GMT -5
Being Ric Flair's last ever opponent.
Oh wait........
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Mar 24, 2010 5:20:38 GMT -5
I ask this everytime this discussion comes up, and I've yet to get a straight answer...
What's the origin of the assumption that Shawn's selling in the Hogan match was being done to mock the Hulkster? Did someone with insider info ever make some comment about it, or was it a theory devised solely by internet smarks?
Because saying "Just watch the match!" doesn't cut it. Shawn sold for everyone that way from '92-'94, the last time he'd been playing a pure, old-school heel. Plenty of Hogan's opponents throughout the '80s sold his offense in the same over-the-top manner.
That sort of wackiness died out around the Attitude Era, but it's not like the rest of the match wasn't shamelessly nostalgic anyway (like Hogan coming out waving an American flag, even though his opponent is also American and the angle hasn't a thing to do with patriotism).
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Post by playoldgames on Mar 24, 2010 5:46:55 GMT -5
Chucking Marty Jannetty through the barbershop window to begin his transformation from Rocker to Heartbreak Kid.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2010 6:22:46 GMT -5
To be fair, Hogan DID supposedly sabotage his match against Sting w/ the whole "fast count" debacle. And while Hogan didn't sabotage his match w/ Warrior, he did admit the whole hugging Warrior after the match and giving him the belt was him trying to steal Warrior's spotlight and make him a sympathetic figure in the end. But Hogan did not intentionally do anything to make Warrior look stupid in the match. The sympathy stuff was after the match and I doubt anyone would even notice if Hogan (?) didn't bring it up. I know I didn't. I don't want to rehash the Sting thing too much, but I think if Sting kicked out or Patrick fast counted then they (WCW) would have had the ending they wanted. Unfortunately neither of those things happened and it looked like Hogan won clean, so the Bret stuff that followed made no sense. It was a mess. Whether I would blame Hogan for it is questionable. Sting should have won clean in a perfect booking situation, but if they wanted to include Bret in it, then really all Sting had to do was kick out or Patrick fast count and it would have gone down the fact it was supposed to. Just want to add, I agree that Shawn's overselling at SSlam 05 resembled the stuff he did as a heel in the early-90's. He was not as cartoonish as Curt Hennig was, but still up there. I didn't have a problem with the selling until the big boot sequence, which while funny was really unprofessional on Shawn's part (especially since Shawn's finisher is also a kick to the face). Then the promo next night and we have ourselves a hypocrite (sorry Jericho) who simply couldn't do his job like a man. I brought up work examples before because that is relevant. We'll all do things we don't want to do, or see people we deem unworthy getting promoted over us, etc, etc, etc, but we can't act unprofessionally and expect to be taken seriously. Shawn got away with it because he's a star, but someone else may not have been so lucky.
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Mar 24, 2010 8:09:01 GMT -5
*Jobbing to a dozen John Cenas in Syracuse *Producing some of the best matches in WrestleMania industry *Being the Simon to Jannetty's Garfunkel *Jim Cornette said it best: He's an extremely talented performer who would take his tights and go home if he doesn't get his way
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Post by Woooooolhouse! on Mar 24, 2010 8:22:45 GMT -5
Chucking Marty Jannetty through the barbershop window to begin his transformation from Rocker to Heartbreak Kid. Haven't you watched and heard and read anything from WWE in the last decade? He didn't throw Jannetty threw the window. He SUPERKICKED him through it. Stan Marsh: But Dad. I saw him throw Jannetty face-first into the window. Randy Marsh: NO! That's not how we're remembering it!
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Post by Pervy Stone Cold on Mar 24, 2010 8:55:06 GMT -5
His bobcut hair style that he sported during the NWO era in WWF.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2010 9:10:46 GMT -5
Ending the undefeated streak.
Of Chris Masters.
Speaking of, reminds me of that story that came out around the time of the Masters feud about him throwing a fit backstage over having to work with him. Michaels did apologize afterward, though, so can't hold that against him too much.
As for the Hogan thing, I'll definitely take Michaels's side on it. It's something most casual fans probably didn't even notice, and it made that match far more entertaining than it ever could have been otherwise. A job well done, I'd say.
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Post by The Peoples Elbow on Mar 24, 2010 9:34:51 GMT -5
"Get the f*** out of my ring."
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Post by variable on Mar 24, 2010 9:40:17 GMT -5
the argument seems to be whether two wrongs make a right or not.
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Post by thedavefather on Mar 24, 2010 10:22:25 GMT -5
He will be known for a few things
- Being the best all time American Wrestler period....that many of fans will hate cause they are to full of themselves to accept it
- Putting on amazing matches .....- that will be considered overrated by fans who think the only great matches have to have Jericho or Punk in them
- putting on one of Hogans all time best matches ..........which will go overlooked cause some internet fans think he tried to bury Hogan.....even though HOGAN himself has said he loved that match
- Having an polictic problem back in the day but changing his ways and putting many of people over.......of course that fact will be forgotten by many of the internet fans cause they seem to have narrow minds and think nobody can change.
- Making up with Bret over Montreal......even though so people will never move on from it, even though these two have
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Post by Bo Rida on Mar 24, 2010 11:35:02 GMT -5
Kicking Stan and a little girl Falling over during his entrance His love of Mr Fuji
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2010 11:51:31 GMT -5
I ask this everytime this discussion comes up, and I've yet to get a straight answer... What's the origin of the assumption that Shawn's selling in the Hogan match was being done to mock the Hulkster? Did someone with insider info ever make some comment about it, or was it a theory devised solely by internet smarks? I've been wondering the same thing. It seemed to me like exactly how it should have been sold. If you watch Hulk's older matches with someone like the Genius or Mr. Perfect, pretty much anyone who was capable of pulling it off sold Hogan's comeback in that over-the-top manner.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2010 11:53:00 GMT -5
- Being the best all time American Wrestler period....that many of fans will hate cause they are to full of themselves to accept it And for those of us who legitimately don't like him?
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Post by hbk4ever09 on Mar 24, 2010 14:34:54 GMT -5
I ask this everytime this discussion comes up, and I've yet to get a straight answer... What's the origin of the assumption that Shawn's selling in the Hogan match was being done to mock the Hulkster? Did someone with insider info ever make some comment about it, or was it a theory devised solely by internet smarks? I've been wondering the same thing. It seemed to me like exactly how it should have been sold. If you watch Hulk's older matches with someone like the Genius or Mr. Perfect, pretty much anyone who was capable of pulling it off sold Hogan's comeback in that over-the-top manner. I'm pretty sure it just came from a random tidbit on one of the normal rumor sites. HBK's DVD (heartbreak and triumph) also encouraged it in a way, where it went in-depth the problems those two had while working with each other. Nothing definitive though.
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Post by jamielowndes {N} on Mar 24, 2010 14:41:23 GMT -5
:48 seconds. Tell me when youve seen Michaels sell for ANYONE like that. Also, 2:10 seconds. The big boot, I died laughing the first time I saw this.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Mar 24, 2010 14:56:04 GMT -5
Being the greatest wrestler of all time.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Mar 24, 2010 15:02:00 GMT -5
Letting the side down at SummerSlam '90. Poor MJ had to fend off Power and Glory for weeks on his own.
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 24, 2010 15:34:26 GMT -5
Well to respond to previous posts I will start off with Hennig's overselling. I seriously doubt he was trying to sabatoge the match, infact I am sure Hennig was just happy to be main eventing with Hogan and making lots of money. Hogan was booked like a superman and Hennig did do the spin from a clothesline in other matches. As far as Shawn's match with Hogan and his tantrum. Micheals got out politicked and he threw a fit. Hogan was the puppet master in WCW for a reason and seems to have quite a bit of pull in TNA as well. Micheals politicked alot in 96/97, but only got away with it because Vince had a hard on for Shawn that would outlast one created by 12 pills of Viagra, that combined with Vince losing most of his top stars. Nonetheless Micheals has obviously gotten better, atleast nowadays he will put other wrestlers and doesn't bring their personal lives and backstage situations up on air. But with Hogan we got to see the old Shawn come out and play and this time he didn't get to win. I don't know HOW you made that connection with what I posted, but never ONCE did I say ANYTHING about Hennig trying to "sabotage" that match. All I said was HE was one of the first to "hyper"sell things in that manner for the Hulkster. My only point was that Shawn wasn't the first to sell things like that for Hogan.
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