Ali Du Jour
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Post by Ali Du Jour on Apr 8, 2010 1:29:01 GMT -5
I'd like heel Cole much more if he were just doing color and Josh Matthews was the reacting face PBP man. The character of a WWE-lifer complaining about the IWC, Daniel Bryan and the "fringe" of the wrestling universe is fine. As it is now, when Cole stops to do his schtick and rant, he doesn't call the action and Matthews tries to pick it up. So they just end up talking over each other. That's what makes me reach for my FF button and annoyed at both.
The arguing between the two and banter is entertaining and makes me laugh when I think about the reactions some fans would have to Cole's comments. I just think it would be better if they switched up roles and both stop trying to do both roles.
Has a heel PBP man worked before?
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Post by barley96 on Apr 8, 2010 3:18:31 GMT -5
I hated Cole since the first time I saw him as a lot of people on this board has. Us hating him as a heel when we already hated him does not mean he is doing his job well. Is he compelling? Do I look for Bryan Danielson to get payback on Cole anymore than any heel he hates? The answer to both questions is no. Lets face it, Cole sucks at his job.
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Post by Alex Shelley on Apr 8, 2010 4:22:18 GMT -5
I'd mark so hard if Danielson got Heidenreich as a bodyguard.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Apr 8, 2010 5:22:05 GMT -5
I for one thing he's awesome on NXT and one of the main reasons I watch the show is to hear him bash Bryan and the Internet. RAW on the other hand... yeah he's garbage.
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Post by pks on Apr 8, 2010 5:23:45 GMT -5
you know how there's that photoshop of batista saying 'those guys on the internet dont like me!'
i want one of danielson saying ' that michael cole doesn't like me'
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Post by jamielowndes {N} on Apr 8, 2010 7:36:39 GMT -5
What bugs me about Cole is that he isn't even a heel announcer on the show. He just has it in for the one guy. I dont know a huge amount about Bryan Danielsons pre-WWE work, I know he spent a lot of his time in ROH, hes gone around the world etc, but I still find it ridiculous that Cole is just singling out one guy. If it all ends in Cole getting his f****** head kicked in, then it's ok.
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Post by BxB on Apr 8, 2010 7:50:01 GMT -5
Yeah, his constant Daniel Bryan hate has gone from "he's just being a heel" to just being petty. He isn't that harsh towards anyone else on the show. What gives?
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Post by angryfan on Apr 8, 2010 7:57:58 GMT -5
Cole just isn't a heel, he's not. If he were, he'd be hating on all the rookies for not having done anything. Every time Otunga started talking about Harvard or the red carpet, Cole should be going off about how none of that matters and how he's never done anything in the WWE universe. Yet, it's almost like, in terms of presentation, they're setting up a Daniel Bryan/Micheal Cole match.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Apr 8, 2010 8:13:55 GMT -5
I think it's funny. Some people takes themselves and the IWC a little too seriously. QFT. At first I thought it was funny that cole had the bryan portion of the IWC up in arms, But now they still can't take he talks down about one their favorite wrestler. How dare someone say something bad about an IWC darling. He is just doing his job. Absolutely this. If Cole was doing this to anyone else besides the IWC darling, you wouldn't see these threads at all.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Apr 8, 2010 9:30:23 GMT -5
No I would still hate it. I hated heel JR and Glenn Jacobs nor Dr. Death were ever internet darlings. Cole is a very less interesting, very less talented JR. Coach could pull off heel. Cole cannot and him trying so hard to be a smug dick just makes him look all the more pathetic and unpracticed. Jericho out there with him just showed how bad Cole was at his job.
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Post by Robbymac on Apr 8, 2010 9:33:20 GMT -5
I've said this before, and I'll say it again.
Some members of the IWC, usually the card toting "Sports Entertainment sucks give me my wrestling, John Cena is the worst thing that ever happened, PG WWE sucks, Raw sucks, Smackdown sucks, TNA sucks, NXT sucks, you suck, I suck, everything sucks...except ROH of course" members have gotten to the point where they actually believe they are a better class of fan than those that came before them, and it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to become to worked. Because they're just so darn smart that how could a wrestling angle possibly cause them so much anger.
They feel as if they can only get angered in wrestling if one of their percieved favorites (in this case Danielson) is getting buried somehow. They feel like they have such a grasp of the backstage part, that its only things like this that anger them.
That's why this new type of heel (in this case Cole) pisses them off so much. They're being worked and they don't even know it. They justify this as obviously being the ridiculous "X-Pac Heat" and that they're prepared to turn their TV off any moment now as they're just so sick and tired of it...yet they keep watching.
Why, because when Bryan sticks his tongue out at Cole while carrying a keg around ther ring, or gets a great burn in on the stage it brings them joy. Their favorite is getting over. And at the end of this thing, when Bryan inevitably wins the whole thing, gives Cole a tongue lashing for doubting him, and then beats Miz for the US Title they'll be high fiving and rushing to the laptop to post "Daniel Bryan Appreciation Threads"
...and of course talking about how Bryan overcame the WWE politics, and attempts to hold him down.
There's nothing wrong with any of this either. We've all been worked before, and we'll all be worked again.
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Post by angryfan on Apr 8, 2010 9:43:57 GMT -5
I've said this before, and I'll say it again. Some members of the IWC, usually the card toting "Sports Entertainment sucks give me my wrestling, John Cena is the worst thing that ever happened, PG WWE sucks, Raw sucks, Smackdown sucks, TNA sucks, NXT sucks, you suck, I suck, everything sucks...except ROH of course" members have gotten to the point where they actually believe they are a better class of fan than those that came before them, and it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to become to worked. Because they're just so darn smart that how could a wrestling angle possibly cause them so much anger. They feel as if they can only get angered in wrestling if one of their percieved favorites (in this case Danielson) is getting buried somehow. They feel like they have such a grasp of the backstage part, that its only things like this that anger them. That's why this new type of heel (in this case Cole) pisses them off so much. They're being worked and they don't even know it. They justify this as obviously being the ridiculous "X-Pac Heat" and that they're prepared to turn their TV off any moment now as they're just so sick and tired of it...yet they keep watching. Why, because when Bryan sticks his tongue out at Cole while carrying a keg around ther ring, or gets a great burn in on the stage it brings them joy. Their favorite is getting over. And at the end of this thing, when Bryan inevitably wins the whole thing, gives Cole a tongue lashing for doubting him, and then beats Miz for the US Title they'll be high fiving and rushing to the laptop to post "Daniel Bryan Appreciation Threads" ...and of course talking about how Bryan overcame the WWE politics, and attempts to hold him down. There's nothing wrong with any of this either. We've all been worked before, and we'll all be worked again. You are right, we've all been worked, it's not the first, won't be the last, and I think the idea of this type of heel can be a huge moneymaker, but the thing is, there has to be a payoff to it. Cole will not get in the ring, no one wants that and he's not trained for that. Thereore, he can't get the same treatment Heenan got back in the day. That, to me, makes the whole thing pointless. When Heenan went after Warrior on TV all the time, it led to something. It led to him getting beat up, the fans cheered, and all was good. However, taht can't happen here, because Cole isn't being a heel to the "WWE Universe", he isn't bashing a main eventer. Really, there are only two payoffs for this. Cole gets beat up by Matthews because Josh is sick of Cole running his mouth. Will this draw heat, make money, or get anyone over? No. Cole gets beat up by Danielson, who has been getting beaten every week on NXT. Sure, it's the standard way a feud would work, but how does this help anyone? Danielson is now just "the guy that loses every week, but he can beat up Micheal Cole who is a good guy to everyone but him". No money can be made from this. If they went pure heel with Cole, even a slow turn over time where eventually he was just blatantly rooting or heels at eery turn, then I could see "a young hero stands up to him" as a storyline, but the thing is, Cole isn't a heel on RAW, or really to anyone except two people on the roster (Josh and Danielson). The casual fans don't care about Matthews, they've been given no reason to, and Danielson is just "this kid who's been around for a long time according to him, but he loses every week". Unless they're using Danielson and Matthews for the sole purpose of turing Cole heel, then I can see no one "winning" in the equation.
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Post by r. on Apr 8, 2010 9:44:18 GMT -5
QFT. At first I thought it was funny that cole had the bryan portion of the IWC up in arms, But now they still can't take he talks down about one their favorite wrestler. How dare someone say something bad about an IWC darling. He is just doing his job. Absolutely this. If Cole was doing this to anyone else besides the IWC darling, you wouldn't see these threads at all. You would actually, as my complaint is about him singling out a single wrestler for very stupid reasons, that wrestler happens to be a favorite amongst internet fans, related note i often wonder how many of these "oh internet darlings get a lot of threads" have themselves made threads complaining that there favorite wrestler isn't getting a fair shake ?
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Post by Robbymac on Apr 8, 2010 10:04:12 GMT -5
I've said this before, and I'll say it again. Some members of the IWC, usually the card toting "Sports Entertainment sucks give me my wrestling, John Cena is the worst thing that ever happened, PG WWE sucks, Raw sucks, Smackdown sucks, TNA sucks, NXT sucks, you suck, I suck, everything sucks...except ROH of course" members have gotten to the point where they actually believe they are a better class of fan than those that came before them, and it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to become to worked. Because they're just so darn smart that how could a wrestling angle possibly cause them so much anger. They feel as if they can only get angered in wrestling if one of their percieved favorites (in this case Danielson) is getting buried somehow. They feel like they have such a grasp of the backstage part, that its only things like this that anger them. That's why this new type of heel (in this case Cole) pisses them off so much. They're being worked and they don't even know it. They justify this as obviously being the ridiculous "X-Pac Heat" and that they're prepared to turn their TV off any moment now as they're just so sick and tired of it...yet they keep watching. Why, because when Bryan sticks his tongue out at Cole while carrying a keg around ther ring, or gets a great burn in on the stage it brings them joy. Their favorite is getting over. And at the end of this thing, when Bryan inevitably wins the whole thing, gives Cole a tongue lashing for doubting him, and then beats Miz for the US Title they'll be high fiving and rushing to the laptop to post "Daniel Bryan Appreciation Threads" ...and of course talking about how Bryan overcame the WWE politics, and attempts to hold him down. There's nothing wrong with any of this either. We've all been worked before, and we'll all be worked again. You are right, we've all been worked, it's not the first, won't be the last, and I think the idea of this type of heel can be a huge moneymaker, but the thing is, there has to be a payoff to it. Cole will not get in the ring, no one wants that and he's not trained for that. Thereore, he can't get the same treatment Heenan got back in the day. That, to me, makes the whole thing pointless. When Heenan went after Warrior on TV all the time, it led to something. It led to him getting beat up, the fans cheered, and all was good. However, taht can't happen here, because Cole isn't being a heel to the "WWE Universe", he isn't bashing a main eventer. Really, there are only two payoffs for this. Cole gets beat up by Matthews because Josh is sick of Cole running his mouth. Will this draw heat, make money, or get anyone over? No. Cole gets beat up by Danielson, who has been getting beaten every week on NXT. Sure, it's the standard way a feud would work, but how does this help anyone? Danielson is now just "the guy that loses every week, but he can beat up Micheal Cole who is a good guy to everyone but him". No money can be made from this. If they went pure heel with Cole, even a slow turn over time where eventually he was just blatantly rooting or heels at eery turn, then I could see "a young hero stands up to him" as a storyline, but the thing is, Cole isn't a heel on RAW, or really to anyone except two people on the roster (Josh and Danielson). The casual fans don't care about Matthews, they've been given no reason to, and Danielson is just "this kid who's been around for a long time according to him, but he loses every week". Unless they're using Danielson and Matthews for the sole purpose of turing Cole heel, then I can see no one "winning" in the equation. It hasn't played out though, yet. Cole, by virtue of taking the anti-Bryan side of this, is taking Miz's side of this. In reality if we are able to deduct that Cole is playing a heel (even if only for this angle) that he is backing the Miz. Someone the fans hate. In the end the fans will want to see Bryan shut Cole up. How does he do this? By proving him wrong. Which he will be do by turning his losing streak around, and vanquishing that dastardly Miz in the process. Now you've created another viable babyface in the process. Every step in that process will help, and heel Cole is playing an integral role. The Daniel Bryan fan club will NEVER admit this, but when he's a viable member of the WWE roster for years to come they'll have Michael Cole in part to thank.
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Apr 8, 2010 10:09:49 GMT -5
He's barely acceptable as a "Face" announcer. "Edgy Cole" is enough to have one close an MITB case on their fingers to dull the horribleness he emits.
And I mean hard.
Both the case and Michael Cole sucking at what he's trying to do.
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Post by angryfan on Apr 8, 2010 10:18:01 GMT -5
You are right, we've all been worked, it's not the first, won't be the last, and I think the idea of this type of heel can be a huge moneymaker, but the thing is, there has to be a payoff to it. Cole will not get in the ring, no one wants that and he's not trained for that. Thereore, he can't get the same treatment Heenan got back in the day. That, to me, makes the whole thing pointless. When Heenan went after Warrior on TV all the time, it led to something. It led to him getting beat up, the fans cheered, and all was good. However, taht can't happen here, because Cole isn't being a heel to the "WWE Universe", he isn't bashing a main eventer. Really, there are only two payoffs for this. Cole gets beat up by Matthews because Josh is sick of Cole running his mouth. Will this draw heat, make money, or get anyone over? No. Cole gets beat up by Danielson, who has been getting beaten every week on NXT. Sure, it's the standard way a feud would work, but how does this help anyone? Danielson is now just "the guy that loses every week, but he can beat up Micheal Cole who is a good guy to everyone but him". No money can be made from this. If they went pure heel with Cole, even a slow turn over time where eventually he was just blatantly rooting or heels at eery turn, then I could see "a young hero stands up to him" as a storyline, but the thing is, Cole isn't a heel on RAW, or really to anyone except two people on the roster (Josh and Danielson). The casual fans don't care about Matthews, they've been given no reason to, and Danielson is just "this kid who's been around for a long time according to him, but he loses every week". Unless they're using Danielson and Matthews for the sole purpose of turing Cole heel, then I can see no one "winning" in the equation. It hasn't played out though, yet. Cole, by virtue of taking the anti-Bryan side of this, is taking Miz's side of this. In reality if we are able to deduct that Cole is playing a heel (even if only for this angle) that he is backing the Miz. Someone the fans hate. In the end the fans will want to see Bryan shut Cole up. How does he do this? By proving him wrong. Which he will be do by turning his losing streak around, and vanquishing that dastardly Miz in the process. Now you've created another viable babyface in the process. Every step in that process will help, and heel Cole is playing an integral role. The Daniel Bryan fan club will NEVER admit this, but when he's a viable member of the WWE roster for years to come they'll have Michael Cole in part to thank. I will agree that, if they went with that, it would work, it would lead to something positive. I did see a glimpse of that with Cole not being quite as hard on Miz on RAW as he had been. The thing is, this has to be more pronounced on RAW to make it believable. If they do that, and Cole is able to pull it off, then we've got money. If, however, Cole goes back to his super-giddy babyface routine on RAW and tells the fans what a jerk Miz is over and over, then supports him on NXT and talks about how he should be respected (somethign that Cole himself wouldn't do on RAW), it won't resonate as well.
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Post by Robbymac on Apr 8, 2010 10:21:03 GMT -5
It hasn't played out though, yet. Cole, by virtue of taking the anti-Bryan side of this, is taking Miz's side of this. In reality if we are able to deduct that Cole is playing a heel (even if only for this angle) that he is backing the Miz. Someone the fans hate. In the end the fans will want to see Bryan shut Cole up. How does he do this? By proving him wrong. Which he will be do by turning his losing streak around, and vanquishing that dastardly Miz in the process. Now you've created another viable babyface in the process. Every step in that process will help, and heel Cole is playing an integral role. The Daniel Bryan fan club will NEVER admit this, but when he's a viable member of the WWE roster for years to come they'll have Michael Cole in part to thank. I will agree that, if they went with that, it would work, it would lead to something positive. I did see a glimpse of that with Cole not being quite as hard on Miz on RAW as he had been. The thing is, this has to be more pronounced on RAW to make it believable. If they do that, and Cole is able to pull it off, then we've got money. If, however, Cole goes back to his super-giddy babyface routine on RAW and tells the fans what a jerk Miz is over and over, then supports him on NXT and talks about how he should be respected (somethign that Cole himself wouldn't do on RAW), it won't resonate as well. I do agree. He needs to be more consistent on Raw. You know, the show people watch.
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Post by MAGGLE on Apr 8, 2010 11:01:17 GMT -5
Michael Cole is awesome thats all I got to say about that
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Apr 8, 2010 11:53:49 GMT -5
QFT. At first I thought it was funny that cole had the bryan portion of the IWC up in arms, But now they still can't take he talks down about one their favorite wrestler. How dare someone say something bad about an IWC darling. He is just doing his job. Absolutely this. If Cole was doing this to anyone else besides the IWC darling, you wouldn't see these threads at all. Ugh, seriously, no offense, but that is THE most redundant argument on the internet. Nobody is complaining because it's Bryan he's singling out. We're complaining because he's singling out one wrestler, heeling on just that one guy, and absolutely no one else in a way that marginalizes him completely. I'd be complaining if Cole was ragging on Otunga for being from Harvard, saying "Who cares what kind of dog-and-pony school he went to? He hasn't done anything in WWE!" It's ridiculous for Bryan's promo video to feature clips of him wrestling in Japan in front of thousands and then have Cole talk about how he only wrestles in high school gyms. And I didn't even LIKE American Dragon back when I used to buy ROH DVDs, but the idea that this thread wouldn't exist if Cole was going off on, say, Skip Sheffield is patently ridiculous. Cole is irritating no matter who he's going off on. And seriously, Cole is most certainly NOT doing his job well if I'm muting the show or, like this past Tuesday, getting so annoyed that I just decide I'm going to watch something else altogether. Michael Cole made me change the channel. Not the keg race thing, not the squash matches, not even Bryan losing again. Not one single thing on that show made me want to change the channel BUT Michael Cole. That isn't good heel heat. And that sure as hell isn't doing your job well. They need to scale back on Cole, tone him down a bit. I know he's only doing whatever they're telling him to do through the headset, but whoever is shouting in his headset needs to step off, because I'm about this close to giving up on the show altogether. I seriously hate Cole's commentary that much. On Raw, he doesn't bother me much at all. But on NXT, dude is insufferable. EDIT: By the way, I don't think this would have gotten nearly as much hate if it were Striker because then it could actually get paid off in the ring. Sure, Striker hasn't wrestled a match in years, but he could fill that sort of Bobby Heenan-like role of heel commentator/manage who, when he's mouthed off too much, gets his comeuppance in the ring. See, I wouldn't be complaining if this actually had an in-ring payoff, but this is leading nowhere other than Michael Cole having to placidly admit he was wrong about Bryan. And even then it'd ring hollow, since Cole has been so vociferously against the man that it'd just come across as forced or insincere, in my opinion. I will at least give him credit that, as far as hating Bryan goes, he does make the hatred sound sincere. But that's about it. When it gets to be that irritating, I just can't be bothered to stick around for the rest of the show. And so I don't.
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Apr 8, 2010 11:56:37 GMT -5
Michael Cole > Blandiel Bryan
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