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Post by Trent Valentine on Apr 8, 2010 12:41:42 GMT -5
Cole: I knew you internet nerds would make a thread like this! They're all a bunch of pee-wees! Cole: Vintage IWC!
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Post by Facepalm on Apr 8, 2010 12:46:31 GMT -5
The one thing that's keeping me going is the thought of AmDrag snapping and destroying Cole with the MMA Elbows followed up by some Cattle Mutilation. This would be gold! However, I'll settle for anyone else being on the receiving end of a Cattle Mutilation (preferably a pro) just to hear the commentary. Would Cole give credit where it's due, or heel it up some more and call it a fluke? My money is on Cole staying in whiny b*tch mode (I still find it funny sometimes) while Mathews keeps pushing him further and further each week.
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Post by primetime110 on Apr 8, 2010 13:03:01 GMT -5
Absolutely this. If Cole was doing this to anyone else besides the IWC darling, you wouldn't see these threads at all. Ugh, seriously, no offense, but that is THE most redundant argument on the internet. Nobody is complaining because it's Bryan he's singling out. We're complaining because he's singling out one wrestler, heeling on just that one guy, and absolutely no one else in a way that marginalizes him completely. I'd be complaining if Cole was ragging on Otunga for being from Harvard, saying "Who cares what kind of dog-and-pony school he went to? He hasn't done anything in WWE!" It's ridiculous for Bryan's promo video to feature clips of him wrestling in Japan in front of thousands and then have Cole talk about how he only wrestles in high school gyms. And I didn't even LIKE American Dragon back when I used to buy ROH DVDs, but the idea that this thread wouldn't exist if Cole was going off on, say, Skip Sheffield is patently ridiculous. Cole is irritating no matter who he's going off on. And seriously, Cole is most certainly NOT doing his job well if I'm muting the show or, like this past Tuesday, getting so annoyed that I just decide I'm going to watch something else altogether. Michael Cole made me change the channel. Not the keg race thing, not the squash matches, not even Bryan losing again. Not one single thing on that show made me want to change the channel BUT Michael Cole. That isn't good heel heat. And that sure as hell isn't doing your job well. They need to scale back on Cole, tone him down a bit. I know he's only doing whatever they're telling him to do through the headset, but whoever is shouting in his headset needs to step off, because I'm about this close to giving up on the show altogether. I seriously hate Cole's commentary that much. On Raw, he doesn't bother me much at all. But on NXT, dude is insufferable. EDIT: By the way, I don't think this would have gotten nearly as much hate if it were Striker because then it could actually get paid off in the ring. Sure, Striker hasn't wrestled a match in years, but he could fill that sort of Bobby Heenan-like role of heel commentator/manage who, when he's mouthed off too much, gets his comeuppance in the ring. See, I wouldn't be complaining if this actually had an in-ring payoff, but this is leading nowhere other than Michael Cole having to placidly admit he was wrong about Bryan. And even then it'd ring hollow, since Cole has been so vociferously against the man that it'd just come across as forced or insincere, in my opinion. I will at least give him credit that, as far as hating Bryan goes, he does make the hatred sound sincere. But that's about it. When it gets to be that irritating, I just can't be bothered to stick around for the rest of the show. And so I don't. I'm not doubting your motive for hating Cole and you present a great take on how Cole is hating one 1 guy and not the rest and some are upset about that. But if Cole was doing this to skip or young it would be a minor thing. But it Bryan, Which makes it major on this board. IMO, If cole did this to any other rookie there might be a thread like this, But it would reach 2 pages at best and some post would praise cole for being a little heelish. But Bryan is one of the untouchables on here (meaning IWC darling to most on here) with punk, jericho and miz. Anything bad said about them, Or lose a match there's a thread complaining.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Apr 8, 2010 13:22:03 GMT -5
Could someone PLEASE explain the appeal of Daniel Brian. He looks bland, sounds bland and his wrestling style isn't that fascinating. Yeah, he has one good looking submission but that is all I can see to differ him from any other experienced young guy.
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Post by Krimzon on Apr 8, 2010 15:01:02 GMT -5
The appeal of AmDrag is his wrestling ability & quality of matches. His personality also adds to it. People that say he doesn't have one are talking out of their asses. Anybody that's been following AmDrag for a reasonable length of time knows that he does have a fairly decent amount of charisma.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Apr 8, 2010 15:08:38 GMT -5
Hmmm. Put me in the undecided column. I'll need to see more of his work before I make a final judgement.
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 8, 2010 15:45:49 GMT -5
Ugh, seriously, no offense, but that is THE most redundant argument on the internet. Nobody is complaining because it's Bryan he's singling out. We're complaining because he's singling out one wrestler, heeling on just that one guy, and absolutely no one else in a way that marginalizes him completely. I'd be complaining if Cole was ragging on Otunga for being from Harvard, saying "Who cares what kind of dog-and-pony school he went to? He hasn't done anything in WWE!" It's ridiculous for Bryan's promo video to feature clips of him wrestling in Japan in front of thousands and then have Cole talk about how he only wrestles in high school gyms. And I didn't even LIKE American Dragon back when I used to buy ROH DVDs, but the idea that this thread wouldn't exist if Cole was going off on, say, Skip Sheffield is patently ridiculous. Cole is irritating no matter who he's going off on. And seriously, Cole is most certainly NOT doing his job well if I'm muting the show or, like this past Tuesday, getting so annoyed that I just decide I'm going to watch something else altogether. Michael Cole made me change the channel. Not the keg race thing, not the squash matches, not even Bryan losing again. Not one single thing on that show made me want to change the channel BUT Michael Cole. That isn't good heel heat. And that sure as hell isn't doing your job well. They need to scale back on Cole, tone him down a bit. I know he's only doing whatever they're telling him to do through the headset, but whoever is shouting in his headset needs to step off, because I'm about this close to giving up on the show altogether. I seriously hate Cole's commentary that much. On Raw, he doesn't bother me much at all. But on NXT, dude is insufferable. EDIT: By the way, I don't think this would have gotten nearly as much hate if it were Striker because then it could actually get paid off in the ring. Sure, Striker hasn't wrestled a match in years, but he could fill that sort of Bobby Heenan-like role of heel commentator/manage who, when he's mouthed off too much, gets his comeuppance in the ring. See, I wouldn't be complaining if this actually had an in-ring payoff, but this is leading nowhere other than Michael Cole having to placidly admit he was wrong about Bryan. And even then it'd ring hollow, since Cole has been so vociferously against the man that it'd just come across as forced or insincere, in my opinion. I will at least give him credit that, as far as hating Bryan goes, he does make the hatred sound sincere. But that's about it. When it gets to be that irritating, I just can't be bothered to stick around for the rest of the show. And so I don't. I'm not doubting your motive for hating Cole and you present a great take on how Cole is hating one 1 guy and not the rest and some are upset about that. But if Cole was doing this to skip or young it would be a minor thing. But it Bryan, Which makes it major on this board. IMO, If cole did this to any other rookie there might be a thread like this, But it would reach 2 pages at best and some post would praise cole for being a little heelish. But Bryan is one of the untouchables on here (meaning IWC darling to most on here) with punk, jericho and miz. Anything bad said about them, Or lose a match there's a thread complaining. I'm not even a Daniel Bryan fan because I can't watch NXT and never watched ROH that much. ...With that said, so the f*** what? People like him and he's popular, why does that crawl up your (and other people's) ass so much? I don't get it. I never will get it. "YEH BUT IF SO AND SO DID THIS YOU ALL WOULDNT LIKE MAKE THREDS!!!1 IWC DARLING!!!1" NO s*** SHERLOCK! There's this thing called popularity. Some have it more so than others. Obviously more cords are going to be struck when Bryan's involved because in his case, he's popular because a lot of people enjoyed his work in the indies. That's all there is to it. GOD! Now on Michael Cole, like I said I don't watch NXT but the fact that he acts like a heel and is still the ass-kissing babyface on Raw honestly sounds stupid to me. Where's the continuity?
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Post by golding on Apr 8, 2010 16:08:38 GMT -5
I like him on NXT. I think he's being really effective as a heel with his gratuitous hate for Brian Danielson and ROH, making marks out of internet fans... which is a rare accomplishment these days. But I understand that was already preemptively addressed in the first post, so I'll address that (and other similar comments I noticed throughout the thread).
He's not being a good heel in the sense that he's not what you expect a good heel to be. Who says a heel has to homogeneously love the heels equally and hate the faces equally? It used to be that way, but the audience has grown wise to that approach. What they're doing with Cole is redefining the approach a heel commentator can gather heel heat. It's not like offline fans are going to agree with Cole's obsessive hate for Danielson. It's not like you're refusing to watch NXT (only threatening to refuse to watch, which isn't quite the same). And when Cole gets some come-uppance, like he did in part this week with Danielson's remarks, it makes it that much sweeter.
For maybe the first time ever, I can actually say that Cole has found something he's good at while announcing. And it's something internet fans have known for a long time. He is a natural annoying heel.
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Post by Insomniac on Apr 8, 2010 16:13:39 GMT -5
...With that said, so the f*** what? People like him and he's popular, why does that crawl up your (and other people's) ass so much? I don't get it. I never will get it. "YEH BUT IF SO AND SO DID THIS YOU ALL WOULDNT LIKE MAKE THREDS!!!1 IWC DARLING!!!1" NO s*** SHERLOCK! You guys might wanna try calming down and keeping it civil from now on in this thread. Thanks.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 8, 2010 16:24:49 GMT -5
Cole's Bryan hate is a little out of the blue for his character. Still, for some reason it just doesn't bother me.
I don't know if he's shooting or not (and I doubt he is), but his comments and the 0-X record all seem like part of a concencrated effort to keep everyone's eye on Bryan- and it's definitely keeping his fans caring. We'll know for sure if it was worth it months after the season's over.
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Post by ultimatekennedy on Apr 8, 2010 16:52:54 GMT -5
I never liked Michael Cole, I thought he was awful. Maybe this heel thing he's doing will be better but somehow it will look lameo.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Apr 8, 2010 17:44:58 GMT -5
They're all a bunch of pee-wees! Cole: Vintage IWC! I doubt Cole knows what the IWC is. More like.. Cole: Vintage Internet geeks blogging and twittering!.. while I read every single one of them...
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Post by Alex Shelley on Apr 8, 2010 20:20:06 GMT -5
I like him on NXT. I think he's being really effective as a heel with his gratuitous hate for Brian Danielson and ROH, making marks out of internet fans... which is a rare accomplishment these days. But I understand that was already preemptively addressed in the first post, so I'll address that (and other similar comments I noticed throughout the thread). He's not being a good heel in the sense that he's not what you expect a good heel to be. Who says a heel has to homogeneously love the heels equally and hate the faces equally? It used to be that way, but the audience has grown wise to that approach. What they're doing with Cole is redefining the approach a heel commentator can gather heel heat. It's not like offline fans are going to agree with Cole's obsessive hate for Danielson. It's not like you're refusing to watch NXT (only threatening to refuse to watch, which isn't quite the same). And when Cole gets some come-uppance, like he did in part this week with Danielson's remarks, it makes it that much sweeter. For maybe the first time ever, I can actually say that Cole has found something he's good at while announcing. And it's something internet fans have known for a long time. He is a natural annoying heel. Off topic, but your signature is f***ing hilarious.
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Post by primetime110 on Apr 8, 2010 21:11:42 GMT -5
I'm not doubting your motive for hating Cole and you present a great take on how Cole is hating one 1 guy and not the rest and some are upset about that. But if Cole was doing this to skip or young it would be a minor thing. But it Bryan, Which makes it major on this board. IMO, If cole did this to any other rookie there might be a thread like this, But it would reach 2 pages at best and some post would praise cole for being a little heelish. But Bryan is one of the untouchables on here (meaning IWC darling to most on here) with punk, jericho and miz. Anything bad said about them, Or lose a match there's a thread complaining. I'm not even a Daniel Bryan fan because I can't watch NXT and never watched ROH that much. ...With that said, so the f*** what? People like him and he's popular, why does that crawl up your (and other people's) ass so much? I don't get it. I never will get it. "YEH BUT IF SO AND SO DID THIS YOU ALL WOULDNT LIKE MAKE THREDS!!!1 IWC DARLING!!!1" NO s*** SHERLOCK! There's this thing called popularity. Some have it more so than others. Obviously more cords are going to be struck when Bryan's involved because in his case, he's popular because a lot of people enjoyed his work in the indies. That's all there is to it. GOD! Now on Michael Cole, like I said I don't watch NXT but the fact that he acts like a heel and is still the ass-kissing babyface on Raw honestly sounds stupid to me. Where's the continuity? Sensitive much? Nothing has crawled up my a**. This topic upsets people, And the posters who think that it isn't as big of a deal have every right to say so weather or not he is a IWC darling. I even gave a one of the posters props on his post, Even though I disagreed with him. He made valid points. You just act like something crawled up your a**. If you can't take someone having a different opinion, Then your the one with the problem. not me.
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Post by Schattenjager on Apr 9, 2010 1:15:48 GMT -5
Could someone PLEASE explain the appeal of Daniel Brian. He looks bland, sounds bland and his wrestling style isn't that fascinating. Yeah, he has one good looking submission but that is all I can see to differ him from any other experienced young guy. Watch his matches against Shiozaki, against KENTA, against Nakajima, against Kanemaru, against McGuinness. Danielson weaves psychology and meaning into everything, every move, every action; he's the one man version of Benoit vs. Regal.
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Post by Kris Kobain on Apr 9, 2010 1:23:37 GMT -5
If the weiner is going to go full heel he better study up on Jesse Ventura and Bobby Hennan.
I have no doubt that he is passionate about the business but he has been a joke from the first time he appeared on television.
I have never once thought "I'd like some more Michael Cole on my screen"
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 9, 2010 5:16:03 GMT -5
I'm not even a Daniel Bryan fan because I can't watch NXT and never watched ROH that much. ...With that said, so the f*** what? People like him and he's popular, why does that crawl up your (and other people's) ass so much? I don't get it. I never will get it. "YEH BUT IF SO AND SO DID THIS YOU ALL WOULDNT LIKE MAKE THREDS!!!1 IWC DARLING!!!1" NO s*** SHERLOCK! There's this thing called popularity. Some have it more so than others. Obviously more cords are going to be struck when Bryan's involved because in his case, he's popular because a lot of people enjoyed his work in the indies. That's all there is to it. GOD! Now on Michael Cole, like I said I don't watch NXT but the fact that he acts like a heel and is still the ass-kissing babyface on Raw honestly sounds stupid to me. Where's the continuity? Sensitive much? Nothing has crawled up my a**. This topic upsets people, And the posters who think that it isn't as big of a deal have every right to say so weather or not he is a IWC darling. I even gave a one of the posters props on his post, Even though I disagreed with him. He made valid points. You just act like something crawled up your a**. If you can't take someone having a different opinion, Then your the one with the problem. not me. Not sensitive at all. I just think there's a trend going around here that some people have to go after whoever the IWC likes just because...the IWC likes them. That, and the "if *insert less popular wrestler with the IWC here* did the same as *insert IWC favourite here* they'd be a different reaction" argument has always baffled me. Of course they'd be a different reaction, it's simple logic. That's how popularity works.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Apr 9, 2010 6:17:09 GMT -5
I've said this before, and I'll say it again. Some members of the IWC, usually the card toting "Sports Entertainment sucks give me my wrestling, John Cena is the worst thing that ever happened, PG WWE sucks, Raw sucks, Smackdown sucks, TNA sucks, NXT sucks, you suck, I suck, everything sucks...except ROH of course" members have gotten to the point where they actually believe they are a better class of fan than those that came before them, and it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to become to worked. Because they're just so darn smart that how could a wrestling angle possibly cause them so much anger. They feel as if they can only get angered in wrestling if one of their percieved favorites (in this case Danielson) is getting buried somehow. They feel like they have such a grasp of the backstage part, that its only things like this that anger them. That's why this new type of heel (in this case Cole) pisses them off so much. They're being worked and they don't even know it. They justify this as obviously being the ridiculous "X-Pac Heat" and that they're prepared to turn their TV off any moment now as they're just so sick and tired of it...yet they keep watching. Why, because when Bryan sticks his tongue out at Cole while carrying a keg around ther ring, or gets a great burn in on the stage it brings them joy. Their favorite is getting over. And at the end of this thing, when Bryan inevitably wins the whole thing, gives Cole a tongue lashing for doubting him, and then beats Miz for the US Title they'll be high fiving and rushing to the laptop to post "Daniel Bryan Appreciation Threads" ...and of course talking about how Bryan overcame the WWE politics, and attempts to hold him down. There's nothing wrong with any of this either. We've all been worked before, and we'll all be worked again. Agreed. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Marks and smarks are one and the same. They might have different reasons for liking who they like, but they still want them to win and get pissy when they don't. By extension, everyone who they don't like that wins is because it's a fake sport and management want to push him down our throats. If a guy they like wins it's suddenly a legit achievement that he's managed to overcome backstage politics. Danielson is the underdog face. Everything is against him and he's still going to pull it off through his natural talent and hard work. Micheal Cole, The Miz, him facing World Champions are all part of that. Cole is a heel, you're not supposed to like what he says. The idea is to make people like Bryan more. The reaction of people like Krimzon suggest it's working.
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Post by Brother Ike: Thread Killer on Apr 9, 2010 8:50:15 GMT -5
I've said this before, and I'll say it again. Some members of the IWC, usually the card toting "Sports Entertainment sucks give me my wrestling, John Cena is the worst thing that ever happened, PG WWE sucks, Raw sucks, Smackdown sucks, TNA sucks, NXT sucks, you suck, I suck, everything sucks...except ROH of course" members have gotten to the point where they actually believe they are a better class of fan than those that came before them, and it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to become to worked. Because they're just so darn smart that how could a wrestling angle possibly cause them so much anger. They feel as if they can only get angered in wrestling if one of their percieved favorites (in this case Danielson) is getting buried somehow. They feel like they have such a grasp of the backstage part, that its only things like this that anger them. That's why this new type of heel (in this case Cole) pisses them off so much. They're being worked and they don't even know it. They justify this as obviously being the ridiculous "X-Pac Heat" and that they're prepared to turn their TV off any moment now as they're just so sick and tired of it...yet they keep watching. Why, because when Bryan sticks his tongue out at Cole while carrying a keg around ther ring, or gets a great burn in on the stage it brings them joy. Their favorite is getting over. And at the end of this thing, when Bryan inevitably wins the whole thing, gives Cole a tongue lashing for doubting him, and then beats Miz for the US Title they'll be high fiving and rushing to the laptop to post "Daniel Bryan Appreciation Threads" ...and of course talking about how Bryan overcame the WWE politics, and attempts to hold him down. There's nothing wrong with any of this either. We've all been worked before, and we'll all be worked again. Agreed. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Marks and smarks are one and the same. They might have different reasons for liking who they like, but they still want them to win and get pissy when they don't. By extension, everyone who they don't like that wins is because it's a fake sport and management want to push him down our throats. If a guy they like wins it's suddenly a legit achievement that he's managed to overcome backstage politics. Danielson is the underdog face. Everything is against him and he's still going to pull it off through his natural talent and hard work. Micheal Cole, The Miz, him facing World Champions are all part of that. Cole is a heel, you're not supposed to like what he says. The idea is to make people like Bryan more. The reaction of people like Krimzon suggest it's working. Is it really working though if it is driving people away from the show? I like what they are trying to do, but its just done all wrong. Cole's job as an annoucer is to enhance a match/tell a story. His Bryan rants though really take the attention away from the match and onto himself which apperently makes people want to change the channel. Also I can't really get into Cole calling anyone a computer geek. Didnt he use to run WWE.com? he is kind of the physical embodiment of an internet loser. I think it would have been much better if Cole was replaced by a grizzled vet like JBL and he was the one ranting on the NXT rookies.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Apr 9, 2010 8:55:32 GMT -5
Could someone PLEASE explain the appeal of Daniel Brian. He looks bland, sounds bland and his wrestling style isn't that fascinating. Yeah, he has one good looking submission but that is all I can see to differ him from any other experienced young guy. Watch his matches against Shiozaki, against KENTA, against Nakajima, against Kanemaru, against McGuinness. Danielson weaves psychology and meaning into everything, every move, every action; he's the one man version of Benoit vs. Regal. So he stiffs himself & locks himself into submissions until he taps? ;D
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