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Post by Aaron E. Dangerously on Jun 21, 2007 0:19:36 GMT -5
We all know Shane Douglas talked a lot about Ric Flair holding him down back in the NWA and in WCW.
But in Flair's autobiography, Ric talks about his minor feud with Shane in WCW, and how he never even knew who Shane was. Not to mention he never had any real booking power, according to himself anyways.
So was Flair really holding Shane back, or was Shane totally delusional, and attacking out at the man who he incorrectly thought was holding him down?
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jun 21, 2007 1:45:06 GMT -5
If my memory is working correctly, Douglas's last stint in WCW was during a time when Flair did have more power, so I would say that it is possible. I've often heard that Flair was somewhat responsible for the breakup of the Hollywood Blondes, who were a team during Douglas's last days in WCW.
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Post by stevierichardsfan on Jun 21, 2007 8:22:39 GMT -5
If my memory is working correctly, Douglas's last stint in WCW was during a time when Flair did have more power, so I would say that it is possible. I've often heard that Flair was somewhat responsible for the breakup of the Hollywood Blondes, who were a team during Douglas's last days in WCW. I was lead to belive it was Dusty's Idea to break up the blondes |
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Post by HomewreckerEdge on Jun 21, 2007 9:15:33 GMT -5
Seeing how Flair was just getting back into WCW when Douglas was on his way out, I don't see a way he could really hold him back.
But saying you got stepped on by the old guard sure does play well in the indies, don't it.
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Post by popples on Jun 21, 2007 17:16:09 GMT -5
Lots of wrestlers say Flair held them back including some pretty famous ones so if the timeline fits I say Shane Douglas got took on a ride on space mountain woooooooooooo (figuratively).
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Post by Aceorton on Jun 21, 2007 18:22:16 GMT -5
Maybe he was referring to his first WCW run with the Dynamic Dudes and accusing Flair of pulling the rug — er, skateboard? -- out from under him.
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Post by HomewreckerEdge on Jun 21, 2007 18:24:57 GMT -5
Maybe he was referring to his first WCW run with the Dynamic Dudes and accusing Flair of pulling the rug — er, skateboard? -- out from under him. If THAT was considered holding him back, what does he consider a push? Getting shot in the face?* *Please keep any Pat Patterson jokes in the holster. |
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jun 21, 2007 18:29:17 GMT -5
Maybe he was referring to his first WCW run with the Dynamic Dudes and accusing Flair of pulling the rug — er, skateboard? -- out from under him. That was abysmal, I was watching Halloween Havoc 89 when they took on the Freebirds and they were booed LOUDLY out of the building. If the fans were behind the Dudes, then you could make an argument they were over and Flair might've tried to hold them down, but they weren't over at all. Shane's delusional. |
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Post by Arthur Digby Stamp on Jun 21, 2007 20:50:52 GMT -5
I think it was during the run he had with Ricky Steamboat. Steamboat was high on Douglas, Flair wasn't.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jun 21, 2007 21:56:43 GMT -5
If my memory is working correctly, Douglas's last stint in WCW was during a time when Flair did have more power, so I would say that it is possible. I've often heard that Flair was somewhat responsible for the breakup of the Hollywood Blondes, who were a team during Douglas's last days in WCW. I was lead to belive it was Dusty's Idea to break up the blondes If Flair wanted to break up the Blodes it was only because he wanted to give Austin a big solo push. From what I've heard the plan was for Austin to move into the world title scene by late 1994 and to win the belt sometime around there |
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jun 22, 2007 11:30:38 GMT -5
I think it was during the run he had with Ricky Steamboat. Steamboat was high on Douglas, Flair wasn't. They were a good team,I liked that duo as Douglas was over more than the Dynamic Dudes gimmick. |
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Post by default on Jun 22, 2007 12:00:52 GMT -5
I'm sure it's the middle ground somewhere, but leaning towards "not really". I'm sure Douglas figured he should be getting a big push from his teaming with Steamboat and when he was let go and went to ECW... well, Heyman let's his guys say whatever they want on TV about WCW (See Pillman, Austin, etc.) and it basically became Douglas's gimmick, thus it was probably played up a hell of a lot more than the actual "hate". I mean, the two worked tag matches in WCW in 2000, so Douglas must not have figured the guy was trying to sabotage his career that badly...
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Post by efarns on Jun 23, 2007 10:52:22 GMT -5
Douglas also claims he was held back by the Kliq in the WWF. It sounds to me like it's just a great gimmick.
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Post by somsta on Jun 23, 2007 11:13:10 GMT -5
If I recall, a lot of it had to do with Douglas asking Flair to watch his matches and give him pointers. Douglas began to suspect that Flair wasn't watching the matches, and would ask "What did you think of that top rope drop kick?" And Flair would say it was great, the best spot of the match. However, Douglas didn't do a top rope drop kick.
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Post by Gullo on Jun 23, 2007 11:55:21 GMT -5
i think alot of people held shane douglas back not just falir, people just didnt want him to be as big as he could of been especially flair who was probbaly threatned and even if flair wasnt in charge at the time he has enough pull to ask people to not push douglas to elite main event status! douglas in my mind is a legend but he could of been one of the most elite stars in thsi businnes upe there with rock, bret hart, hbk, austin, undertaker, hogan, flair, and savage!
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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on Jun 23, 2007 12:12:15 GMT -5
If I recall, a lot of it had to do with Douglas asking Flair to watch his matches and give him pointers. Douglas began to suspect that Flair wasn't watching the matches, and would ask "What did you think of that top rope drop kick?" And Flair would say it was great, the best spot of the match. However, Douglas didn't do a top rope drop kick. He's the man! He doesn't have time to give pointers out to some ja-brone! That sounds like a dumb reason to hate Flair to me though. Of course the dude is busy and doesn't have time to watch a tag match full of surfer dudes. I don't think anyone held Douglas down. He seems to have a lot of problems/anger issues which probably wouldn't sit well with management. Plus, he can't cut a promo. It's all cursing, |
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Post by franchisedavis on Jun 23, 2007 13:42:59 GMT -5
I would think there had to be real heat between the too
I am sure it is because of Flair's attitude towards younger talent when he was on top, see austion and foley
The reason Douglas was probably brought back at the end of WCW is because Russo loved the idea of real like heat between wrestlers and all of his "shoot" ideas.
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Post by WWHHHD on Jun 23, 2007 16:08:27 GMT -5
If I recall, a lot of it had to do with Douglas asking Flair to watch his matches and give him pointers. Douglas began to suspect that Flair wasn't watching the matches, and would ask "What did you think of that top rope drop kick?" And Flair would say it was great, the best spot of the match. However, Douglas didn't do a top rope drop kick. BINGO! beat me to the punch |
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Post by ellisdee on Jun 23, 2007 17:51:17 GMT -5
Flair may or may not have held back Shane in WCW.
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Post by stevierichardsfan on Jun 23, 2007 18:27:43 GMT -5
If I recall, a lot of it had to do with Douglas asking Flair to watch his matches and give him pointers. Douglas began to suspect that Flair wasn't watching the matches, and would ask "What did you think of that top rope drop kick?" And Flair would say it was great, the best spot of the match. However, Douglas didn't do a top rope drop kick. He's the man! He doesn't have time to give pointers out to some ja-brone! That sounds like a dumb reason to hate Flair to me though. Of course the dude is busy and doesn't have time to watch a tag match full of surfer dudes. I don't think anyone held Douglas down. He seems to have a lot of problems/anger issues which probably wouldn't sit well with management. Plus, he can't cut a promo. It's all cursing, unfortunatley its true as big of a shane doulas fan as i am its true |
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