Crappler El 0 M
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jun 23, 2007 18:45:24 GMT -5
Shane's ECW promos were very effective, definitely more than mere "cussing."
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Hiroshi Hase
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jun 23, 2007 20:54:55 GMT -5
I would think there had to be real heat between the too I am sure it is because of Flair's attitude towards younger talent when he was on top, see austion and foley The reason Douglas was probably brought back at the end of WCW is because Russo loved the idea of real like heat between wrestlers and all of his "shoot" ideas. I think Flair was fond of Austin as he did feud with him in 1993 when the Hollywood Blondes faced the Horsemen at the Clash of Champions that year. He wasn't too keen on Foley's work as he thought he was a glorified stuntman. As for Douglas, he was good but never great, also way too much cursing.
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Post by midwestmrk on Sept 17, 2007 18:21:01 GMT -5
Douglas also claims he was held back by the Kliq in the WWF. It sounds to me like it's just a great gimmick. I like Shane, but your right. Shane is an average wrestler, who like everyone else, looked good tagging with Ricky Steamboat. The height of the "everyone screwed me" gimmick was when he was in ECW.
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Post by Aaron E. Dangerously on Sept 17, 2007 18:35:27 GMT -5
Douglas also claims he was held back by the Kliq in the WWF. It sounds to me like it's just a great gimmick. I like Shane, but your right. Shane is an average wrestler, who like everyone else, looked good tagging with Ricky Steamboat. The height of the "everyone screwed me" gimmick was when he was in ECW. I definately think he's a bitter man. Though if I was tagging up with Ricky Steamboat, I'd certainly expect to be moving up in the world. Maybe Shane expected too much too soon.
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JMA
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Post by JMA on Sept 17, 2007 19:49:36 GMT -5
Well, if Flair did screw over Douglas, he got paid back for it when Bischoff made his life hell. Ironically, he would later become the lackey to a guy with Shane's gimmick.
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Post by Ravishing Rob Rude on Sept 17, 2007 20:35:23 GMT -5
From a close friend of mine who is close friends with Shane Douglas.
90% of what Flair says is shit...and 95% of the boys know that. Few have ever been willign to step out and talk against him because he's always been consideref one of the untouchables...like Hogan. As that mystiqe goes away...more and more peopel will start to shatter all of Flairs' lies. So far...Douglas and Bret Hart are the only two to come right out and call Flair a liar. Adn he is a liar. He's a miserable son of a bitch too.
Douglas was one of many...like Pillman, Magnum TA, Sting, Austin and others...that Flair wanted to squash...fearing they might take his spot at some point. Flair and Shane hated each other's guts all the way to the tiem they feuded in WCW. They're still not friends...but they don't "hate" each other. And no...it was no work bro...there was real time hatred on Shane's behalf...because of the way Flar did the younger up and comers. Flair acted like he didn;t care for al ong time...knowing the anger at him was legit...but also knowing he would never have to face douglas.
Then...Douglas returned to WCW...and Flair walked out the back door. After Shane left durign the contract dispute with Bill Busch...Flair came back and was failry happy. Then...Shane came back...thanks to Bischoff and Russo...and they forced the feud to happen. But even durign the on air feud...Flair tried to crap on it as much as possible.
So it was all real...every ounce of it. And tofay...they could possibly work with one another...but they will never be freidns. But...the lies of Dick Flair continue on and on and on. That's why I never could respect him...the truth just aint in him. Bret Hart knows it too.
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Post by Joekishi on Sept 19, 2007 14:19:13 GMT -5
It's ALL BECAUSE OF SHAWN MICHAELS AND RIC FLAIR THAT SHANE DOUGLAS' CAREER WAS CRAPTACULAR
lolz...
I don't believe that for a second. The reason Shane wasn't as successful as he wanted to be, was because he was a loud mouth egomaniac who didn't know his place.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 19, 2007 14:28:16 GMT -5
I never understood this whole deal. Shane Douglas made his career by blaming Flair for not put his ass over. Since when was it Flair job to do that? I mean Flair just cameback when Shane left as stated and some how it Flair fault for him never getting pushed.
Why should Flair even pushed a guy as stated never was over. Shane Douglas went to ECW were he even showed that he can cut a promo. He was a decent wrestler but nothing that stood out over the rest.
He made his career basicly blaming other people for him not being a WWE Main Eventer or WCW Main Eventer in the Mid 90's.
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Post by "Handsome" Whitey Fats on Sept 19, 2007 14:36:53 GMT -5
From a close friend of mine who is close friends with Shane Douglas. 90% of what Flair says is crap...and 95% of the boys know that. Few have ever been willign to step out and talk against him because he's always been consideref one of the untouchables...like Hogan. As that mystiqe goes away...more and more peopel will start to shatter all of Flairs' lies. So far...Douglas and Bret Hart are the only two to come right out and call Flair a liar. Adn he is a liar. He's a miserable son of a bitch too. Douglas was one of many...like Pillman, Magnum TA, Sting, Austin and others...that Flair wanted to squash...fearing they might take his spot at some point. Flair and Shane hated each other's guts all the way to the tiem they feuded in WCW. They're still not friends...but they don't "hate" each other. And no...it was no work bro...there was real time hatred on Shane's behalf...because of the way Flar did the younger up and comers. Flair acted like he didn;t care for al ong time...knowing the anger at him was legit...but also knowing he would never have to face douglas. Then...Douglas returned to WCW...and Flair walked out the back door. After Shane left durign the contract dispute with Bill Busch...Flair came back and was failry happy. Then...Shane came back...thanks to Bischoff and Russo...and they forced the feud to happen. But even durign the on air feud...Flair tried to crap on it as much as possible. So it was all real...every ounce of it. And tofay...they could possibly work with one another...but they will never be freidns. But...the lies of Dick Flair continue on and on and on. That's why I never could respect him...the truth just aint in him. Bret Hart knows it too. Because Hart and Douglas are icons in the business? Your "friend" doesn't make any sense. Flair put over Sting time and time again. He practically made in him a main eventer IN ONE MATCH!! Douglas has always been an average worker with average mic skills. He rose just as far as his talent allowed him- mid card in the big two, main event in indy promotions. And to say Hogan is untouchable? HOGAN?! Wrestlers bury Hogan all the time, so once again, I'm calling bullcrap
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Post by Hemmeorrhage on Sept 19, 2007 16:45:19 GMT -5
From a close friend of mine who is close friends with Shane Douglas. 90% of what Flair says is crap...and 95% of the boys know that. Few have ever been willign to step out and talk against him because he's always been consideref one of the untouchables...like Hogan. As that mystiqe goes away...more and more peopel will start to shatter all of Flairs' lies. So far...Douglas and Bret Hart are the only two to come right out and call Flair a liar. Adn he is a liar. He's a miserable son of a bitch too. Douglas was one of many...like Pillman, Magnum TA, Sting, Austin and others...that Flair wanted to squash...fearing they might take his spot at some point. Flair and Shane hated each other's guts all the way to the tiem they feuded in WCW. They're still not friends...but they don't "hate" each other. And no...it was no work bro...there was real time hatred on Shane's behalf...because of the way Flar did the younger up and comers. Flair acted like he didn;t care for al ong time...knowing the anger at him was legit...but also knowing he would never have to face douglas. Then...Douglas returned to WCW...and Flair walked out the back door. After Shane left durign the contract dispute with Bill Busch...Flair came back and was failry happy. Then...Shane came back...thanks to Bischoff and Russo...and they forced the feud to happen. But even durign the on air feud...Flair tried to crap on it as much as possible. So it was all real...every ounce of it. And tofay...they could possibly work with one another...but they will never be freidns. But...the lies of Dick Flair continue on and on and on. That's why I never could respect him...the truth just aint in him. Bret Hart knows it too. Flair left WCW because of Shane Douglas? LMAO. Nice imagination there buddy. Flair was in a contract dispute over the money he was being paid. He probably had no idea the company even brought back that guy who played a skateboarder with a mullet and then talked smack about flair in a bingo hall after they fired him.
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Christianv2
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Post by Christianv2 on Sept 19, 2007 16:55:13 GMT -5
Flair may or may not have held back Shane in WCW. credit: rajah.com
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 20, 2007 7:29:22 GMT -5
From a close friend of mine who is close friends with Shane Douglas. 90% of what Flair says is crap...and 95% of the boys know that. Few have ever been willign to step out and talk against him because he's always been consideref one of the untouchables...like Hogan. As that mystiqe goes away...more and more peopel will start to shatter all of Flairs' lies. So far...Douglas and Bret Hart are the only two to come right out and call Flair a liar. Adn he is a liar. He's a miserable son of a bitch too. Douglas was one of many...like Pillman, Magnum TA, Sting, Austin and others...that Flair wanted to squash...fearing they might take his spot at some point. Flair and Shane hated each other's guts all the way to the tiem they feuded in WCW. They're still not friends...but they don't "hate" each other. And no...it was no work bro...there was real time hatred on Shane's behalf...because of the way Flar did the younger up and comers. Flair acted like he didn;t care for al ong time...knowing the anger at him was legit...but also knowing he would never have to face douglas. Then...Douglas returned to WCW...and Flair walked out the back door. After Shane left durign the contract dispute with Bill Busch...Flair came back and was failry happy. Then...Shane came back...thanks to Bischoff and Russo...and they forced the feud to happen. But even durign the on air feud...Flair tried to crap on it as much as possible. So it was all real...every ounce of it. And tofay...they could possibly work with one another...but they will never be freidns. But...the lies of Dick Flair continue on and on and on. That's why I never could respect him...the truth just aint in him. Bret Hart knows it too. That makes no sense. Because Flair has made Sting look like a million bucks everytime they wrestled. He did the same thing with a young Barry Windham as well. Bret Hart knows it? I'll believe that when I read his book if it in there. Hell Flair jobbed to Hart in a title match and in WCW. Why in the hell would Flair leave WCW because of some rookie at the time? I don't think Shane Douglas would ever be the reason that Flair leave with the belt to go to the place were guys like Hogan is running the show up north. Yea I'm sure it went Flair oh I'm scared of this rookie Shane Douglas so I'm going to go up north and deal With Hulk Hogan. Give me a break. It was a management problem in WCW and Flair cameback when that problem was changed. Then in WWE, yea Shane walked in to the Kliq. Before they were really that bad because HHH just had gotten there for one. But I'm sure HBK, Hall, and Nash were about to go to Vince and say hey let push the School Teacher to the Main Event. Shane WWE run was about just as much fault to the writers at the time then anything else because they gave him that lame gimmick.
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Post by metalmike on Sept 20, 2007 9:01:01 GMT -5
Always seemed to me that Douglas is just bitter that he wont be rememberd as much as Flair and Hogan, when he thinks he should be.
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Sept 20, 2007 11:21:12 GMT -5
From a close friend of mine who is close friends with Shane Douglas. And as such has little to no credibility. We can't trust either party on this, it has to be the other people involved who can confirm or deny it.
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Post by sexualvanilla on Sept 20, 2007 13:52:21 GMT -5
Even Foley, a good friend of Douglas, acknowledged in his book that Douglas was never good at keeping bridges unburned, so I'm more likely to believe Flair than Douglas. I've always thought Douglas was overrated but the truth is likely somewhere in the middle
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 21, 2007 1:03:07 GMT -5
according to Eric Bischoff you either love Flair or you hate him; there's no middle ground. Douglas obviously is in the hate catagory.
From what I've read though is when Douglas first started out, people thought he'd be the next big thing. He never got to the where people expected him to be, and when he was in WCW as a younger wrestler, the locker room was full of politics. Plus Flair was in a nasty contract dispute, so I can see resentment on his part.
Or he could have just bought everything Paul E. ever told him.
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Post by efarns on Sept 22, 2007 10:41:30 GMT -5
Politics are, and always have been, part of wrestling. It's all part of the game. Complaining about politics in wrestling is like complaining about ice cream in a sundae. If you can't handle it, then do something else.
Is there anybody that Bret Hart doesn't have heat with?
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Post by "Handsome" Whitey Fats on Sept 22, 2007 12:16:50 GMT -5
Lol I find is amusing that every wrestler that spent a ot of time with Bret Hart remarked about his giant ego
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Post by sexualvanilla on Sept 25, 2007 1:39:53 GMT -5
Politics are, and always have been, part of wrestling. It's all part of the game. Complaining about politics in wrestling is like complaining about ice cream in a sundae. If you can't handle it, then do something else. Is there anybody that Bret Hart doesn't have heat with? The people on his DVD?
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Turd Ferguson
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Post by Turd Ferguson on Sept 26, 2007 8:55:20 GMT -5
I think Ric did hold Shane back.
However, he should've held him down...
under water for about 20 mins.
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