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Post by eDemento2099 on Mar 11, 2007 13:54:31 GMT -5
[Messiah's] a pretty good brawler, and can pull of some nice technical moves that you would've never thought he could pull off. I'll say. I remember watching one of his CZW matches (I think it was Tournament of Death 2) in which he pulled off a move not unlike Scott Hall's Razor's Edge / Outsider Edge. The Icing on the cake is that before he drove his opponent into the canvas, he held his opponent up as though his adversary was a crucifix.
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Post by Time Lord Soundwave on Mar 13, 2007 8:03:24 GMT -5
And as I recall, New Jack almost killed someone. So in other words, it was a typical day in the career of New Jack.
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Post by jcdenton on Mar 13, 2007 8:06:24 GMT -5
I really want to see Messiah work now, I've only heard little things about him before this thread. hes a pretty good brawler, and can pull of some nice technical moves that you would've never thought he could pull off. His best work though has been in CZW. He doesn't go hardcore with the gimmick like he did in XPW, but he's wrestling better guys (in XPW, he wrestled mainly some fatass with no talent named Supreme). I've met Messiah several times, cool guy. Anyways, XPW did do a lot of things that were crap (and let me reiterate, I HATE XPW for what they did when they came to Philly). To name a few; Pogo the Clown(they even had him adduct a kid and Big Dick Dudley had to save the kid), The Rob Black puppy/snake/PETA/LAPD fiasco(long story), New Jack almost killing Vic Grimes, Supreme almost getting burnt to death (and this was was not an unfortunate accident. It was an accident, but everyone saw something bad coming) Angel the Hardcore Homo GQ Money Steve Rizzano losing to a gorilla Raw feces match Buck Naked match (never got to see the women naked) Having a show called Operation Shock and Awe right in the middle of the Iraqi War. Julio Deniero in a string thong. The Hostile Takeover of Philly If anybody wants me to elaborate on any these, please just ask. I would love to hear about these
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Post by Reverend BTY on Mar 13, 2007 14:31:34 GMT -5
No. I always enjoyed it. Not only that, XPW introduced me to wrestlers I'm quite fond of today. Matt Cross and Josh Prohibition (aka Youthnazia), Shark Boy, NOSAWA, The Messiah, among others. Not only that but they were almost revolutionary at the time. Okay, hear me out on this one. At the time there were WCW tapes and a few WWE DVDs. They were one of the first indy promotions to make DVDs that were sold in places like Suncoast and FYE. Sure now every fed has'em but XPW was one of the first. That's why I think XPW gets a bad rep for some of the stupider shit in their history.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Mar 13, 2007 15:16:54 GMT -5
I thought Wrestlecrap wouldn't induct anything Indy.
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Post by Arturo Classico on Mar 13, 2007 16:23:01 GMT -5
It's indy I'd normaly say not to do it but in XPW's case I will overlook that. It should be inducted since it was an entire falming piece of shit. Nothing good came from it. And made ECW look bad. That angle was awful so on that basis it could get in. Also people who compare it to WSX is wrong XPW was much, much worse. Also I tend to slam on CZW but in comparison it is far better. I can't think of one good thing about XPW. Just awful! I feel sad that Douglas, Funk and Sabu were in that company. I feel RD should do it because really it just offends indy wrestling. In that way it shhould be inducted now!
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Post by Reverend BTY on Mar 13, 2007 17:27:03 GMT -5
Good things about XPW for KOW 4:20...
Youthnazia (M-dogg 20 and Josh Prohibition) Shark Boy/Angel the Hardcore Homo tag team Super Crazy/Psicosis/Little Guido matches The Messiah NOSAWA "White Trash" Johnny Webb (even the Elvis gimmick) Shane Douglas vs Terry Funk in Philly The Juice Bar (with Juvi)
Go ahead, taste some of the XPW Kool-Aid
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Post by x on Mar 13, 2007 19:15:03 GMT -5
Pogo The Clown, a child molesting clown, based off a cereal killer.
I don't understand why anyone would want to watch a 400 pound perverted clown that kidnaps people anyways.
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Post by JacopeX on Mar 13, 2007 20:03:42 GMT -5
I really want to see Messiah work now, I've only heard little things about him before this thread. hes a pretty good brawler, and can pull of some nice technical moves that you would've never thought he could pull off. His best work though has been in CZW. He doesn't go hardcore with the gimmick like he did in XPW, but he's wrestling better guys (in XPW, he wrestled mainly some fatass with no talent named Supreme). I've met Messiah several times, cool guy. Anyways, XPW did do a lot of things that were crap (and let me reiterate, I HATE XPW for what they did when they came to Philly). To name a few; Pogo the Clown(they even had him adduct a kid and Big Dick Dudley had to save the kid), The Rob Black puppy/snake/PETA/LAPD fiasco(long story), New Jack almost killing Vic Grimes, Supreme almost getting burnt to death (and this was was not an unfortunate accident. It was an accident, but everyone saw something bad coming) Angel the Hardcore Homo GQ Money Steve Rizzano losing to a gorilla Raw feces match Buck Naked match (never got to see the women naked) Having a show called Operation Shock and Awe right in the middle of the Iraqi War. Julio Deniero in a string thong. The Hostile Takeover of Philly If anybody wants me to elaborate on any these, please just ask. Can you explain thoese storylines of Rib black and also I heard about wrestlers pissing on each other in XPW. Or was that rob black. :rolleyes:
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Mar 13, 2007 21:30:42 GMT -5
I really want to see Messiah work now, I've only heard little things about him before this thread. hes a pretty good brawler, and can pull of some nice technical moves that you would've never thought he could pull off. His best work though has been in CZW. He doesn't go hardcore with the gimmick like he did in XPW, but he's wrestling better guys (in XPW, he wrestled mainly some fatass with no talent named Supreme). I've met Messiah several times, cool guy. Anyways, XPW did do a lot of things that were crap (and let me reiterate, I HATE XPW for what they did when they came to Philly). To name a few; Pogo the Clown(they even had him adduct a kid and Big Dick Dudley had to save the kid), The Rob Black puppy/snake/PETA/LAPD fiasco(long story), New Jack almost killing Vic Grimes, Supreme almost getting burnt to death (and this was was not an unfortunate accident. It was an accident, but everyone saw something bad coming) Angel the Hardcore Homo GQ Money Steve Rizzano losing to a gorilla Raw feces match Buck Naked match (never got to see the women naked) Having a show called Operation Shock and Awe right in the middle of the Iraqi War. Julio Deniero in a string thong. The Hostile Takeover of Philly If anybody wants me to elaborate on any these, please just ask. As much as I've heard of some of them before, I am always intrigued when someone brings up xpw... I never liked them, too sleazy even for me, but now that it's dead, it's like some bizarre train wreck I can't help but be fascinated by... So elaborate please... some of these guys are new... and some I have still yet to hear.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Mar 14, 2007 21:54:23 GMT -5
and also I heard about wrestlers pissing on each other in XPW. Or was that rob black. :rolleyes: That went on in WWE, in case you missed it. For instance Steve Austin 'peed' on Arn Anderson.... and they tried to pass off that mustard-yellow liquid as urine. Also, urine was quite common in early DX skits. But as far as XPW is concerned, I don't know what you're talking about. Maybe rumours spread about what XPW wrestlers did in their private lives, but that's their own business, and shouldn't relate to XPW (Just as the fact that I am legitimately into watersports is in no way a reflection of the company that I work for outside of my private life).
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Post by AriadosMan on Mar 15, 2007 13:51:37 GMT -5
On the topic: If the same guy who is the WSX announcer was the XPW announcer, then YES, it should be inducted. He's the most annoying announcer in history.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Mar 15, 2007 16:41:37 GMT -5
By 'announcer,' what do you mean? The guy who introduces a match and its participants, or the guys who do colour commentary throughout the course of matches?
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Post by Reverend BTY on Mar 15, 2007 16:44:36 GMT -5
Pogo The Clown, a child molesting clown, based off a cereal killer. I don't understand why anyone would want to watch a 400 pound perverted clown that kidnaps people anyways. What are you talking about?? You find me a better heel character. Unlike Flair or old HBK, there is no way in hell you can cheer Pogo. He was also good at what he did, unlike WWE X-Pac.
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Post by AriadosMan on Mar 15, 2007 19:15:35 GMT -5
By 'announcer,' what do you mean? The guy who introduces a match and its participants, or the guys who do colour commentary throughout the course of matches? I assume both Kriss Kloss and the guy who does ring intros in WSX worked in XPW. Both are like nails on a chalkboard.
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Post by x on Mar 15, 2007 22:24:03 GMT -5
Pogo The Clown, a child molesting clown, based off a cereal killer. I don't understand why anyone would want to watch a 400 pound perverted clown that kidnaps people anyways. What are you talking about?? You find me a better heel character. Unlike Flair or old HBK, there is no way in hell you can cheer Pogo. He was also good at what he did, unlike WWE X-Pac. There's a difference between being a good heel and being completley immoral. Oh and they did cheer Pogo. Which confuses the hell out of me. Just because someone is heel doesn't mean it's an acceptable gimmick. Would you also think it's okay for a Ted Bundy gimmick?
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Post by Hellsing920 on Mar 15, 2007 22:34:45 GMT -5
What are you talking about?? You find me a better heel character. Unlike Flair or old HBK, there is no way in hell you can cheer Pogo. He was also good at what he did, unlike WWE X-Pac. There's a difference between being a good heel and being completley immoral. Oh and they did cheer Pogo. Which confuses the hell out of me. Just because someone is heel doesn't mean it's an acceptable gimmick. Would you also think it's okay for a Ted Bundy gimmick? Pogo the Clown wasn't Bundy's thing. That was John Wayne Gacy. Just thought I'd mention.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Mar 15, 2007 22:49:47 GMT -5
What are you talking about?? You find me a better heel character. Unlike Flair or old HBK, there is no way in hell you can cheer Pogo. He was also good at what he did, unlike WWE X-Pac. There's a difference between being a good heel and being completley immoral. Oh and they did cheer Pogo. Which confuses the hell out of me. Just because someone is heel doesn't mean it's an acceptable gimmick. Would you also think it's okay for a Ted Bundy gimmick? When Steve Austin went from being "The Ringmaster" to "Stone Cold," he was basically a wrestling adaptation of Mickey Knox from Natural Born Killers. And American fans cheered him (because Bret was being too pro-Canada for their taste).
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Post by Hellsing920 on Mar 15, 2007 22:57:53 GMT -5
There's a difference between being a good heel and being completley immoral. Oh and they did cheer Pogo. Which confuses the hell out of me. Just because someone is heel doesn't mean it's an acceptable gimmick. Would you also think it's okay for a Ted Bundy gimmick? When Steve Austin went from being "The Ringmaster" to "Stone Cold," he was basically a wrestling adaptation of Mickey Knox from Natural Born Killers. And American fans cheered him (because Bret was being too pro-Canada for their taste). So, you compare making a wrestling persona very loosely based on a fictional serial killer to a wrestling persona directly based on a real serial killer? There's a little problem with that, dude. Mickey Knox was a fictional character that, if you look past the killing, was somewhat inspirational (just watch the movie and listen to him speak), while John Wayne Gacy (the real Pogo the Clown) actually killed children (quite a few, if memory serves), and was very brutal about it. Try to come up with something a little better.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Mar 16, 2007 0:30:51 GMT -5
When Steve Austin went from being "The Ringmaster" to "Stone Cold," he was basically a wrestling adaptation of Mickey Knox from Natural Born Killers. And American fans cheered him (because Bret was being too pro-Canada for their taste). So, you compare making a wrestling persona very loosely based on a fictional serial killer to a wrestling persona directly based on a real serial killer? There's a little problem with that, dude. Mickey Knox was a fictional character that, if you look past the killing, was somewhat inspirational (just watch the movie and listen to him speak), while John Wayne Gacy (the real Pogo the Clown) actually killed children (quite a few, if memory serves), and was very brutal about it. Try to come up with something a little better. "Inspirational" or not, I merely wanted to point out the fact that fans were cheering for a character based on a serial killer. Knox may have been a fictitious character, but according to the law, murder is murder, and charisma doesn't make bit of difference. Anyway, I see your point that they are different. Let's not dwell on that, but rather, focus on the (horrid) topic at hand: XPW.
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