"Hollywood" Cactus Matt
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Mar 17, 2007 17:46:43 GMT -5
There's a difference between being a good heel and being completley immoral. Oh and they did cheer Pogo. Which confuses the hell out of me. Just because someone is heel doesn't mean it's an acceptable gimmick. Would you also think it's okay for a Ted Bundy gimmick? When Steve Austin went from being "The Ringmaster" to "Stone Cold," he was basically a wrestling adaptation of Mickey Knox from Natural Born Killers. And American fans cheered him (because Bret was being too pro-Canada for their taste). Actually, I liken early "Stone Cold" to the character of Butch in Pulp Fiction, at least looks-wise. I agree, though, that a Mickey Knox argument could be made. Either way, from what I've read on Rob Black - not just XPW - he is a huge piece of garbage and shows no redeeming qualities other than knowing a lot of women of questionable virtue who willingly get naked. I have no opinion on the induction, as I am woefully unfamiliar with XPW, but if WrestleCrap had a "horrible human being" section, Black could make it in, easily. (by the way, I am referring to the aforementioned puppy/snake/LAPD/SPCA thing; you can probably figure it out from there. I know nothing of the other things mentioned, other than the rumored thumb-cutting-off of Messiah - the cutting off of the thumb, as far as I know, actually happened, but last I knew they hadn't directly linked it to Black; anyone else know for sure?)
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Post by shiranui on Mar 17, 2007 18:19:23 GMT -5
(I know nothing of the other things mentioned, other than the rumored thumb-cutting-off of Messiah - the cutting off of the thumb, as far as I know, actually happened, but last I knew they hadn't directly linked it to Black; anyone else know for sure?) The story (according to Messiah's Obsessed With Wrestling profile, if I recall correctly) goes that Messiah apparently slept with Lizzy Borden around the time he left XPW for CZW, and Rob Black wasn't very pleased about finding out that his wife was having an affair. This then resulted in Messiah being attacked by those two thugs at his home and having his thumb (and almost some even more important body parts) cut off. Of course, this is just what I have read on a website so it may or may not be true. Anyway, there was no evidence to link Rob Black to the incident, so the case is still unsolved.
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"Hollywood" Cactus Matt
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Mar 17, 2007 19:20:40 GMT -5
(I know nothing of the other things mentioned, other than the rumored thumb-cutting-off of Messiah - the cutting off of the thumb, as far as I know, actually happened, but last I knew they hadn't directly linked it to Black; anyone else know for sure?) The story (according to Messiah's Obsessed With Wrestling profile, if I recall correctly) goes that Messiah apparently slept with Lizzy Borden around the time he left XPW for CZW, and Rob Black wasn't very pleased about finding out that his wife was having an affair. This then resulted in Messiah being attacked by those two thugs at his home and having his thumb (and almost some even more important body parts) cut off. Of course, this is just what I have read on a website so it may or may not be true. Anyway, there was no evidence to link Rob Black to the incident, so the case is still unsolved. Thanks for the info, although I have a hard time believing that two "hired goons" would take it upon themselves to "avenge Rob Black," especially since his wife is/was a pornstar and had probably slept with tons of dudes anyway. Of course, I'm not here to judge (although I'll do it anyway) so for all I know he had it coming. I'd probably be pretty pissed, too, if my wife was nailing one of my employees.
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Post by Reverend BTY on Mar 17, 2007 20:49:56 GMT -5
What are you talking about?? You find me a better heel character. Unlike Flair or old HBK, there is no way in hell you can cheer Pogo. He was also good at what he did, unlike WWE X-Pac. There's a difference between being a good heel and being completley immoral. Oh and they did cheer Pogo. Which confuses the hell out of me. Just because someone is heel doesn't mean it's an acceptable gimmick. Would you also think it's okay for a Ted Bundy gimmick? I'd accept it. Hell, bring in a Jack the Ripper and Ed Gein team managed by Charles Manson. I don't have my feelings hurt by things like that. It takes a great deal for something to offend me, and a wrestling angle isn't one.
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Post by Virt McGirt on Mar 17, 2007 20:57:06 GMT -5
I said, "No", cuz the show I saw (Damage Inc. I think) was pretty good
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Post by Reverend BTY on Mar 17, 2007 21:05:32 GMT -5
If anything, that Weird World Wrestling or whatever should get inducted. I mean an AIDS infected needle match is much worse than any raw sewage match.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 19, 2007 16:05:14 GMT -5
just to clear something up, M Dogg 20 and Josh Prohibition were trained by CZW, and were paid by XPW to no show a CZW event. M Dogg was later allowed back into the company, but Prohibition was not.
I don't know about the wrestlers, but that's the kind of porn Extreme Associates produced.
and for those who asked for ellaboration, here you go...
Pogo the Clown-Pogo The Clown was the nickname of serial killer John Wayne Gacy; a man that would molest and murder boys. The wrestler was based off of the killer. Abducting the child was very wrong.
New Jack almost killing Vic Grimes-New Jack through Grimes 30 feet from the rafters, and Grimes nearly got killed becuse he barely hit the table. Supreme almost getting burnt-The had Veronica Caine comeout during one of Surpreme's matches an poor an entire gallon of lighter fluid onto the table. When Supreme hit the table, there was no fire extinguishers around the ringside area, so he was on fire for a good while. Burnted more than 50% of his body.
GQ Money-The ring announcer for WSX except he wrestled.
Raw feces/sewage match-A match wrestled in toilet water and crap so it was literally Wrestlecrap
Buck Naked match-Veronica Caine and Lizzy Borden had a match in which the loser was to strip down until they had nothing on. After a month of hyping it up, no nude women.
The Hostile Takeover of Philly-Paid wrestlers to no show CZW and ROH shows, and tried to run those two company's out of PA.
And finally, Rob Black' puppy. Black went onto XPW's syndicated shows(and his web cam) and said that he was goin to feed a little Chihuahua to his python (he even held the dog over the snake's tank several times). PETA caught wind of it, and got the law involved. To cover up, Black had friends dress up as cops, and beat him down with nightsticks to explain why the feeding didn't happen. He thin sued LAPD for being overagressive (thoug if ou saw the video it was obviously a skit).
Basically, Rob Black is a very immorale, and sick, human being. XPW went out of business because he was being investigated by Congress for explecit scenes in his porno movies (plus, the wrestlers checks were bouncing so they no showed).
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Post by Reverend BTY on Mar 19, 2007 16:18:29 GMT -5
just to clear something up, M Dogg 20 and Josh Prohibition were trained by CZW, and were paid by XPW to no show a CZW event. M Dogg was later allowed back into the company, but Prohibition was not. Yeah, cause this has never happened in wrestling before.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 19, 2007 19:51:19 GMT -5
never said it didn't. I wasjust sying that they were not an XPW creation like some people said.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Mar 19, 2007 21:50:08 GMT -5
I'm surprised XPW didn't fold because of how poor the quality of Extreme Associates' porn was (and I say that as someone who is legitimately into fetishes outside of mainstream porn, like watersports / sexual urination).
Vince lost a ton of money on the XFL; I'm surprised that the same thing didn't happen to Black when he started up an equally poor porn company. I'd hate to meet the people who lacked taste to the extent that they actually kept Black in business....
XPW may have been a crappy wrestling federation, but at least Black hired some decent wrestlers (i.e. Juvi, Sabu, Terry Funk) to take attention away from XPW's lack of talented original grapplers (not counting The Messiah, of course). To the best of my knowledge, Black's porn franchise was trashy, and nothing but (and that's as nice a term as I can come up with to describe Extreme Associates).
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Post by JMA on Mar 19, 2007 21:59:17 GMT -5
Well, it looks like the general consensus is that XPW should be inducted. Maybe it'll happen one day.
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