Could we run WWE...

[Totorob101]

better then Vince Mcmahon does? I mean the guy loves big hosses and pushs no talent bums like John Cena and Triple H to the moon,certainly in a better world,,they would be jobbers or even released while CM Punk and Bryan Danielson would be main eventing every PPV going which will make the company millions.

Seriously though If you ran WWE what would you change about the product and the talent? Would you get rid of the likes of Cena and Hunter? What would you do to make a better product AND you know will make money,while retaining its PG status?

[jamielowndes {N}]

Id still have Cena as a champ/main eventer, Id just write him into some more believable feuds that dont just end in him overcoming the odds that arent actually that insurmountable. The guy makes money.

Id push a lot of smaller guys into the HW title picture, a la Jo Mo, CM Punk et al. Punk vs Hardy was one of the best feuds of last year.

[Ribbo]

I don't think you understand what "makes a better product". It's about entertaining the people with the money, not the smarks.
It's a business remember.

[jamielowndes {N}]

May 25, 2010 5:11:28 GMT -5 Ribbo said:

I don't think you understand what "makes a better product". It's about entertaining the people with the money, not the smarks.
It's a business remember.

I think calling HHH a no talent bum and saying Punk and AmDrag will make the company millions pretty much states that hes being sarcastic.

[luiscurse]

May 25, 2010 5:16:53 GMT -5 jamielowndes {N} said:

May 25, 2010 5:11:28 GMT -5 Ribbo said:

I don't think you understand what "makes a better product". It's about entertaining the people with the money, not the smarks.
It's a business remember.

I think calling HHH a no talent bum and saying Punk and AmDrag will make the company millions pretty much states that hes being sarcastic.

Only one way to find out...



Dude are you being sarcastic?

[Quote the Tozz, Nevermore.]

For starters, I wouldn't get rid of Cena or Triple H. Cena especially brings in a lot of money for the company, though I would actually make him lose sometimes. I would push Triple H less, and push guys like Miz, Morrison, Punk, Jericho, Sheamus, Swagger, Danielson, Christian. While Jericho and Christian are the older two who I would make solid main eventers, the others are younger and are the future of the company. I'd keep Edge in the main event and Orton too.

I've said this before, but I would bring more tag teams to the WWE, especially since the Colons are no more (again) There's only the Harts, JeriMiz.. wait, is that it?! I'd probably bring Cryme Tyme back, and maybe E&C (purely because they reeked of awesome.)

[Bo Rida]

It'll be interesting to see us run it as a group, every booking decision made by polls. However I couldn't see it ending well.

[Deleted]

May 25, 2010 4:59:20 GMT -5 Totorob101 said:

better then Vince Mcmahon does? I mean the guy loves big hosses and pushs no talent bums like John Cena and Triple H to the moon,certainly in a better world,,they would be jobbers or even released while CM Punk and Bryan Danielson would be main eventing every PPV going which will make the company millions.

Seriously though If you ran WWE what would you change about the product and the talent? Would you get rid of the likes of Cena and Hunter? What would you do to make a better product AND you know will make money,while retaining its PG status?

When you compare Neilson ratings in TNA, the smaller wrestlers get the lowest ratings while larger wrestlers and the Knockouts get higher ratings. Pushing smaller guys isn't going to be a case alone, because the casual fans don't want to see a 30 minute mat match on RAW(though PPVs are different).

Fire Cena? The man generates the most money. You can use the whole "WWE machine" card, but there are so many wrestlers that were pushed similiar than Cena, but get no reactions at all(Lashley and McIntyre to name a few). Fire Hunter? The man knows how to work a crowd and let people care for them, which is a lost art today with the newer generation of wrestlers.

No offense dude, but if you implied these decisions in real life, the WWE would be out of business. How are you going to respond to the Stock Brokers? Or the PR? Or how are you going to respond to NBC(that owns USA and Sy-Fi)? I'd imagine running the WWE is much much harder than running a Indy fed.

[Scooter]

In a word, no.

I'm sure that we could piece together better storylines (who couldn't?) but the WWE pushes guys who make them money and this board doesn't like those people. We'd probably also turn everyone heel, switch everyone back to their old attire (especially Kane's red suit and Jericho's tights), and reunite tag teams we thought were funny ten years ago even though they've diverged considerably since then. There would also be plenty of memes incorporated: Batista would be brought back and forced to make funny faces and carry basketballs, Masters would never be seen without a sombrero, and Dennis Stamp would finally get booked, dismantling the integrity of the whole company.

It would also bring up an interesting paradox: who will we hate then? It's common knowledge that the internet hates anything mainstream and everyone with a push, what happens when it's our booking that's mainstream and our internet darlings that get pushed to the moon? Chaos, catastrophe, and universal implosion, that's what.

[oafman]

May 25, 2010 5:10:42 GMT -5 jamielowndes {N} said:

Id still have Cena as a champ/main eventer, Id just write him into some more believable feuds that dont just end in him overcoming the odds that arent actually that insurmountable. The guy makes money.

I agree with this. Infact, I was playing EWR recently and booking wrestling isn't as easy as people think it would be.

I now have an excuse to post this:


I still can't believe I did that.

[Wii M Punk]

May 25, 2010 9:03:33 GMT -5 @oafman said:

May 25, 2010 5:10:42 GMT -5 jamielowndes {N} said:

Id still have Cena as a champ/main eventer, Id just write him into some more believable feuds that dont just end in him overcoming the odds that arent actually that insurmountable. The guy makes money.

I agree with this. Infact, I was playing EWR recently and booking wrestling isn't as easy as people think it would be.

I now have an excuse to post this:


I still can't believe I did that.

Jesus! What the Hell did you send out after that match? I'm assuming "the crowd was too pumped from the last match" was in the Road Agent notes, regardless of whatever followed that ladder match!

[Tapout]

May 25, 2010 4:59:20 GMT -5 Totorob101 said:

Could we run WWE...better then Vince Mcmahon does?

Here's a hint: No.

Here's another hint: It takes more than booking an interesting match to run a billion-dollar company.

[Gus Richlen Was Wrong]

the only things i'd change would be:

fire miz
fire swagger
fire mccool
more blood at ppvs
depush maryse
rehire mickie and katie lea
spread main eventers out evenly
bring back the hardcore title, complete with 24/7 rule
rehire paul heyman
hire half the SHIMMER roster
steal almost evryone from tna
bring back jbl
fire matt striker
rename the ppvs to what they were in 2007
hell, just end pg altogether
make jericho wear pants again
use good songs by good groups for ppv themes
do better promo videos at ppvs

[Shameful_Lobsterhead]

-I would drop the Divas title

-Unify the US and IC title

-Bring back the tag team division

-Hire some major free agents and put big emphasis on them

-Get rid of the dead weight

-Bring back the womens division

-Let Cena, Triple H and Taker not be in any main events for a year.

[jamielowndes {N}]

May 25, 2010 11:29:28 GMT -5 Gus Richlen Was Wrong said:

the only things i'd change would be:

fire miz
fire swagger
fire mccool
more blood at ppvs
depush maryse
rehire mickie and katie lea
spread main eventers out evenly
bring back the hardcore title, complete with 24/7 rule
rehire paul heyman
hire half the SHIMMER roster
steal almost evryone from tna
bring back jbl
fire matt striker
rename the ppvs to what they were in 2007
hell, just end pg altogether
make jericho wear pants again
use good songs by good groups for ppv themes
do better promo videos at ppvs

-Miz and Swagger have been great in recent times. Swagger is starting to slowly get his swagger back (and it tastes like freedom)

-McCool is nowhere near the worst Diva on the roster. She is a better wrestler than Maryse, Eve, Kelly Kelly and Tiffany.

-No, adding blood does nothing to heighten the intensity of a match. It often overshadows the match itself and becomes a needless pseudo-gore show. Leave the blading to yard tards and TNA.

-Whether she is a good wrestler or not, Maryse has her character down and shows motivation and hard work. So no.

-Katie Lea, yes. Mickie, maybe. Mickie got sloppier and sloppier with her ring work as time went on, and judging by all the rumours that flew out, upset a lot of people backstage.

-I like the set up they have. Smackdown has created many main eventers. Look for Cody Rhodes, Dolph Ziggler and Kofi Kingston to break into the main event scene this year or next.

-No, the Hardcore title was a pointless joke, as is weapon based wrestling nowadays.

-In what capacity? As a booker? Absolutely, Heyman is a genius. Just dont put him in charge of finances.

-I dont know enough about Shimmer, but I know they have a lot of female talent. How many are "Diva" material though?

-Not gonna happen. TNA guys are under contract. Who exactly would you take?

-JBL on commentary would be great. Striker is the best commentator in the WWE right now. Dont fire him.

-Naming a PPV Jimmy Dean's Chocolate Chip Pancake Wrapped Wrestlemania Rematches on a Stick wont make the PPV any better or worse.

-Being PG stops the WWE from doing stuff like Katie Vick, JRs colon surgery, and Al Wilson. Im fine with it. Ive enjoyed PG WWE a lot more recently.

-Id just like to see Y2J come back personally.

-Any examples of good groups?

-The WWE have put out some great video promos recently. HBK/Taker Running up That Hill?

[Hassan bin Sober]

You guys couldn't but I could.

[angryfan]

No, I don't think "we" could, as there's far more that goes into it than simply booking a show. However, I think that, were someone to step up and have the same drive and ambition Vince once did, and the slightly more hands-off approach to the actual matches that he once had, it would do wonders.

Vince has always been hands on in that he make the decisions, he tells the performers where he wants them to get to in terms of a finish. However, he's hands-off in that getting there is up to them, responding to the crowd is up to them. He may givee them a "gimmick", but it used to be that he'd then say "now make it yours".

Now, the focus has changed so much, and become so much more scripted down to the smallest detail, that "go make me some money" approach is hampered. Yes, a guy like Cena still rakes in the cash because he has the Hoganesque role and can connect with the kiddies, but let me point this out.

Both Hogan and Vince said that the whole ear cupping bit was Hogan's idea, done on the fly. It may be corny as hell, but it came from paying attention to not just that the crowd reacted, but specifically what they reacted to. You can't get this when you micromanage to the point that every mannerism is written into the script because you're too damn busy thinking about the script.

Further, Vince used to realize that, to keep his cash cow strong, the people he would eventually vanquish needed to be strong too. Therefore, they'd get storylines, chase the IC title or tag belts, have promo time and we'd here the announce teams put them over like rover every single week.

No, Tito Santana wasn't going to be Hulk Hogan, everyone knew that, but Vince was a smart enough businessman to realize he could make some cash with Tito too. So he'd put the man over on commentary, give him a storyline and build that went for years. By the time Tito stepped in with Hogan, the foregone conclusion wasn't as absolute in the minds of the marks, because Vince had told them that Tito was worthy of being there and that he was special.

Sure, Hogan won, but in the end, you had another "almost made it" guy who could sell some action figures and make people pay to see a show where Hogan wasn't appearing because they had somebody that the fans knew and cared about.

THAT is what's lost, that is what I've begged for, and that's why people will (rightly) call me a cynic. Vince knows what's worked because he's done it before, and made oodles of cash from it. The performers change, the little tidbits change, but the substance of it never, ever has. I just wish he'd remember that.

[Randy Barber 4-Life]

No, we couldn't. It's easy and enjoyable to play armchair booker, which is why we all do it, and I'm not taking myself out of that either. But we shouldn't lose sight either that, for example, the blow-off match of a four month feud that they "got wrong" is only one of countless things being juggled at any given time in a corporation like WWE. McMahon and crew are also in on information and factors that go into every decision that we don't and likely will never know, despite what we think we know. A guy might have developed a bad attitude, they might think he's going to fail wellness, he might have made mention of taking a break or walking out entirely, these are things we just don't know.

Use a football analogy. It's easy to point at a 3rd and short play where the coach calls X and say "He should call Y" and be proven right when the ball is snapped. It's another thing entirely to put in the 12-16 hour days the other 6 days of the week all year long to even get to the play where you "knew better" than the coach.

[Vice honcho room temperature]

If I ran it I'd embezzle money and fly to a tropical island.

[The Doctor]

Oh god no. Everyone would be a Heel.