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Post by Mangs on May 25, 2010 11:08:43 GMT -5
During the match between Eve and Maryse, Eve used a very strange finisher that I have never seen before.
It was the worst joke of a move ever, it had zero impact, looked pathetic.
I don't usually care much about the diva matches, and I'm no Marysse fan (she's hot, but I don't care if she wins or not), but that move was just so stupid.
Anyone else agrees?
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Post by AriadosMan on May 25, 2010 11:12:44 GMT -5
At this point, I wish they'd just move the entire Divas div to Smackdown and consolidate the belts. They have barely any over Divas left and Eve is not one of the ones who is over.
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Post by Hakumental on May 25, 2010 11:17:48 GMT -5
Are you talking about A) The clothesline B) The single-leg dropkick C) The moonsault D) The neckbreaker or E) The disruption of the faculties which paralyzes and demoralizes anyone who is confronted by an impossible negation of sanity via the fact that Eve Torres is somehow the Divas Champion? Because one of these is a supremely effective finisher.  |
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on May 25, 2010 11:30:56 GMT -5
Eh, not really one of her best matches. I've seen that finisher done before though. Courtney Taylor from FCW used to do it when she was still with them. I think Eve needed to jump up a little to make it look more impactful. She probably should have done something like her Jiu-Jitsu armbar thing as a finisher.
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Post by jamielowndes {N} on May 25, 2010 11:32:21 GMT -5
I dont get how you can promote someone as part of the Gracie Academy in the MMA era of combat sprots, and not give them a submission finisher.
I even changed her finisher on the SVR 2010 game to the gogoplata.
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Post by lookout on May 25, 2010 12:26:22 GMT -5
Are you talking about A) The clothesline B) The single-leg dropkick C) The moonsault D) The neckbreaker or E) The disruption of the faculties which paralyzes and demoralizes anyone who is confronted by an impossible negation of sanity via the fact that Eve Torres is somehow the Divas Champion? Because one of these is a supremely effective finisher. Her drop kicks are so awful it really annoys me. She either doesn't even touch them are barely touches them with her toes on one foot. It's absurd they don't at least require a divas champion to be able to wrestle better than your average 12 year old wrestling in his backyard. Despite how pretty she is, everyone knows how awful she is and that's why she was actually booed last night when she was tagged in or hit any move. This should tell mcmahon that looks aren't everything but of course they live in this alternate dimension where they think wrestling fans don't care if someone can actually wrestle. He couldn't be more wrong. |
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Post by FailedGimmick on May 25, 2010 12:37:30 GMT -5
I kind of like her rolling thunder like maneuver that she used to Pin Maryse in that pillow fight match (I think) from before wrestlemania, but since then, Maryse has always countered it.
I guess you could call it Running Thunder.
That armbar submission she used to get Maryse to tap out in that tag match also before 'Mania was also nice looking.
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Post by Rorschach on May 25, 2010 12:51:34 GMT -5
Are you talking about A) The clothesline B) The single-leg dropkick C) The moonsault D) The neckbreaker or E) The disruption of the faculties which paralyzes and demoralizes anyone who is confronted by an impossible negation of sanity via the fact that Eve Torres is somehow the Divas Champion? Because one of these is a supremely effective finisher. Her drop kicks are so awful it really annoys me. She either doesn't even touch them are barely touches them with her toes on one foot. It's absurd they don't at least require a divas champion to be able to wrestle better than your average 12 year old wrestling in his backyard. Despite how pretty she is, everyone knows how awful she is and that's why she was actually booed last night when she was tagged in or hit any move. This should tell mcmahon that looks aren't everything but of course they live in this alternate dimension where they think wrestling fans don't care if someone can actually wrestle. He couldn't be more wrong. I noticed that too. Didn't know whether to chalk it up to a smarky crowd, or to Eve actually BOMBING that badly as champion. I honestly really think that the company is MISSING something since they got rid of Maria and Mickie, and Melina is on the shelf. Say what you will, love those three or hate them with a PASSION, but they had something I have yet to see in Eve....PERSONALITY. Each one of those ladies could get a crowd reaction when they came out. I don't know...could be her atrocious wrestling skills, could be her lack of any sort of discernible character, but people are not responding very well to this Eve title reign. At this rate, Maryse is gonna get a face pop when she takes the title back off of Eve. Also....was it just me, or was that a VICIOUSLY stiff kick to the face from Alica Foxx that Eve took last night? |
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Post by greeby on May 25, 2010 12:52:11 GMT -5
Are you talking about A) The clothesline B) The single-leg dropkick C) The moonsault D) The neckbreaker or E) The disruption of the faculties which paralyzes and demoralizes anyone who is confronted by an impossible negation of sanity via the fact that Eve Torres is somehow the Divas Champion? Because one of these is a supremely effective finisher. Her drop kicks are so awful it really annoys me. She either doesn't even touch them are barely touches them with her toes on one foot. It's absurd they don't at least require a divas champion to be able to wrestle better than your average 12 year old wrestling in his backyard. Despite how pretty she is, everyone knows how awful she is and that's why she was actually booed last night when she was tagged in or hit any move. This should tell mcmahon that looks aren't everything but of course they live in this alternate dimension where they think wrestling fans don't care if someone can actually wrestle. He couldn't be more wrong. Same crowd that cheered Maryse, even though she's so rotten as a wrestler that the E have practically stopped trying |
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Post by PKO on May 25, 2010 13:41:05 GMT -5
It was a pretty rubbish finisher. It would be quite nice for her to have a submission finish, but I didn't think the armbar worked at all because (in the world of wrestling) it's a pretty standard submission move that's used to build up to something later on in the match. Diva's hardly ever work a body part because they're thrown into 2-3 minute matches, so whenever Eve locked on her armbar and the opponent tapped out almost immediately it just didn't work. The rolling pin she used to win the title from Maryse was beautiful, and they could get that over as being a really hard pinfall to kick out of. Her drop kicks are so awful it really annoys me. She either doesn't even touch them are barely touches them with her toes on one foot. It's absurd they don't at least require a divas champion to be able to wrestle better than your average 12 year old wrestling in his backyard. Despite how pretty she is, everyone knows how awful she is and that's why she was actually booed last night when she was tagged in or hit any move. This should tell mcmahon that looks aren't everything but of course they live in this alternate dimension where they think wrestling fans don't care if someone can actually wrestle. He couldn't be more wrong. Same crowd that cheered Maryse, even though she's so rotten as a wrestler that the E have practically stopped trying Maryse is pretty consistently over with a section of the crowd at each show and she's been one of the main focuses of the Diva's Division since first winning the Diva's Title over a year ago, and continues to be so. |
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Post by hajimenoippo on May 25, 2010 13:52:43 GMT -5
Flying armbar she does is awEsome
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on May 25, 2010 13:54:26 GMT -5
What exactly is Eve's finisher anyway?
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Post by jamielowndes {N} on May 25, 2010 13:56:08 GMT -5
It was a pretty rubbish finisher. It would be quite nice for her to have a submission finish, but I didn't think the armbar worked at all because (in the world of wrestling) it's a pretty standard submission move that's used to build up to something later on in the match. Diva's hardly ever work a body part because they're thrown into 2-3 minute matches, so whenever Eve locked on her armbar and the opponent tapped out almost immediately it just didn't work. The rolling pin she used to win the title from Maryse was beautiful, and they could get that over as being a really hard pinfall to kick out of. Then go for something else. Ive always thought the anaconda choke would transfer perfectly over to wrestling. |
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Post by AriadosMan on May 25, 2010 13:59:39 GMT -5
What exactly is Eve's finisher anyway? Her finisher is when she gets future endeavors and I don't have to hear about her crappy matches anymore. |
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Post by PKO on May 25, 2010 14:13:59 GMT -5
What exactly is Eve's finisher anyway? She debuted it at Over the Limit; as Maryse was on her hands and knees, Eve mounted her so Maryse's head was between Eve's legs and then she dropped to her knees. It sounds more erotic than it is. Essentially it was this, except she didn't hold Maryse's arms (which would have made it look more effective, but still kinda rubbish): |
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Post by Rorschach on May 25, 2010 15:35:18 GMT -5
See, to me it's always seems so f*****g asinine to give these ladies who can BARELY work a leglock or do a credible slam/suplex these hugely complicated finishers. Keep it simple, stupid! Look at Maryse and Mickie....they use a simple, but devastating-looking DDT to end their matches. Nothing flashy, nothing intricate....and it gets the job done. These girls that try and ape the Styles Clash, or the Angels' Wings or the Canadian Destroyer....they ought to be instructed NOT to try those moves out until they've mastered more BASIC ones.
And hell, since we're only getting 2-3 minutes for each women's match....they don't NEED complex finishers to seal the deal. A quick thrust kick, or even a one-legged Codebreaker type manuver (heh....they could give one of them the Backstabber, now that Carlito is gone) would be more than sufficient to finish one of their matches.
I guess my point is....it's not just Eve....ANY of these girls are going to look ridiculous trying those kinds of manuevers when they can't even freakin' do the BASICS right half the time.
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Post by mrjl on May 25, 2010 16:28:17 GMT -5
See, to me it's always seems so f*****g asinine to give these ladies who can BARELY work a leglock or do a credible slam/suplex these hugely complicated finishers. Keep it simple, stupid! Look at Maryse and Mickie....they use a simple, but devastating-looking DDT to end their matches. Nothing flashy, nothing intricate....and it gets the job done. These girls that try and ape the Styles Clash, or the Angels' Wings or the Canadian Destroyer....they ought to be instructed NOT to try those moves out until they've mastered more BASIC ones. And hell, since we're only getting 2-3 minutes for each women's match....they don't NEED complex finishers to seal the deal. A quick thrust kick, or even a one-legged Codebreaker type manuver (heh....they could give one of them the Backstabber, now that Carlito is gone) would be more than sufficient to finish one of their matches. I guess my point is....it's not just Eve....ANY of these girls are going to look ridiculous trying those kinds of manuevers when they can't even freakin' do the BASICS right half the time. THe mention of the Canadian Destroyer makes me think you're talking Melina. She does not attempt a Canadian Destroyer. She does an armtrap sunset flip power bomb. The move Rey used on Punk last Sunday? And she does it better than most guys. Eve's dropkicks were pretty lousy, and actually she does have problems with them normally. But I think he finish on Sunday was okay. It seems like it would be as impactful as an X-factor and she turned it over into a roll up pin. My biggest problem with the divas is them running the ropes. They never look natural doing it and so that makes any move coming off the ropes look bad. |
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on May 25, 2010 16:45:16 GMT -5
Are you talking about A) The clothesline B) The single-leg dropkick C) The moonsault D) The neckbreaker or E) The disruption of the faculties which paralyzes and demoralizes anyone who is confronted by an impossible negation of sanity via the fact that Eve Torres is somehow the Divas Champion? Because one of these is a supremely effective finisher. Her drop kicks are so awful it really annoys me. She either doesn't even touch them are barely touches them with her toes on one foot. It's absurd they don't at least require a divas champion to be able to wrestle better than your average 12 year old wrestling in his backyard. Despite how pretty she is, everyone knows how awful she is and that's why she was actually booed last night when she was tagged in or hit any move. This should tell mcmahon that looks aren't everything but of course they live in this alternate dimension where they think wrestling fans don't care if someone can actually wrestle. He couldn't be more wrong. Okay, so she has crappy dropkicks. Being bad at one silly move doesn't damn you to being completely awful at everything. She does well in general. And if the only credible heel is Maryse, no wonder she has a bad match every now and then. Seriously, Maryse literally has one move that she can do well. You talk about someone getting rewarded for simply being pretty, well take a look at her. It would be nice if Eve was able to be in a feud with someone who didn't suck worse than she did. |
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Post by Jason on May 25, 2010 16:53:42 GMT -5
She is pretty bad in the ring. I used to not mind her, but I really just can't like her. I don't know what it is, she's not over, she's not incredibly impressive, she has nothing unique about her and King creaming himself over her in commentary just insinuates that she only has that belt because she looks good. She hasn't deserved it, she hasn't worked hard for it. Nothing. Maryse is not much better but atleast she has personality and the crowd support. Eve has neither and is just your generic face model #4343 that WWE cream over about how "impressive" they've been, when in reality it's nothing compared to what their actual REAL diva wrestlers like Natalya and Gail Kim, when by some miracle, they're actually given a shot, can do.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2010 17:03:49 GMT -5
Her drop kicks are so awful it really annoys me. She either doesn't even touch them are barely touches them with her toes on one foot. It's absurd they don't at least require a divas champion to be able to wrestle better than your average 12 year old wrestling in his backyard. Despite how pretty she is, everyone knows how awful she is and that's why she was actually booed last night when she was tagged in or hit any move. This should tell mcmahon that looks aren't everything but of course they live in this alternate dimension where they think wrestling fans don't care if someone can actually wrestle. He couldn't be more wrong. Okay, so she has crappy dropkicks. Being bad at one silly move doesn't damn you to being completely awful at everything. She does well in general. And if the only credible heel is Maryse, no wonder she has a bad match every now and then. Seriously, Maryse literally has one move that she can do well. You talk about someone getting rewarded for simply being pretty, well take a look at her. It would be nice if Eve was able to be in a feud with someone who didn't suck worse than she did. The thing is that neither of them are very good workers at all. I'll agree completely that Maryse is a wholly untalented ringworker and I'd also like to say that she's a miserably bad heel because she doesn't actually try to get booed. On the other side of the same token, Eve is hardly a great worker and when put in a match that isn't precisely-choreographed or overly simple, ends up faring poorly in the ring. Combine this with her inability so far to actually get over with the crowds and you've got someone who doesn't really bring much to the table in that popularity aspect either. But I think the greatest source of criticism for her isn't because of these aspects; it's because right now, she's the champion and they're trying to make her into their franchise diva. They advertised online some mag article they did that declared her as the hottest diva, they've promoted the hell out of her alleged jiu-jitsu abilities and they've given her a push out of the blue despite not really being qualified yet. Or how about the video package? When was the last time an active diva on the roster got a VIDEO PACKAGE hyping them up? The whole thing just reeks of an overpush. If she was a mid-tier diva like late last year, there'd be very little dislike for her, but considering how she is in no way better now than she was at that point and now seems to be being turned into Candice 2.0 or Trish 3.0, opposition is coming out of the woodwork. |
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