NCAA Football Thread XII:Conferance Armageddon

[andrew8798]

Jun 10, 2010 16:18:35 GMT -5 @sunwukong said:

Jun 10, 2010 14:09:50 GMT -5 andrew8798 said:

Summary of the punishments against the football program, which USC is appealing:

2 year post season ban.

30 scholarships lost.

limited recruiting.

vacating wins between 2004 and 2005.

One thing I'm not clear on- Do they vacate the Championship they won during that time? Seems like they would, but I don't see many people talking about it.

Yeah they vacate it

[Bravo Echo November]

KU's Athletic Director resigns.
www.kmbc.com/sports/23861645/detail.html

University of Kansas Athletic Director Lew Perkins is resigning effective in 2011, officials told KMBC.com Thursday afternoon.

The university said Perkins's resignation would be effective Sept. 4, 2011, according to a statement.

KU Chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little had no immediate comment on Perkins' decision.

Perkins has come under fire after a review done for KU found more than $3 million worth of premium athletic tickets were scalped or given away. The FBI and IRS are investigating KU's ticket operations.

Perkins has maintained he had no knowledge of the events. The university on Wednesday night cleared Perkins of any ethical wrongdoing over use of a more than $6,000 hot tub. A former employee had claimed Perkins accepted it in exchange for the owners getting premium tickets, but the review said the donation was made to KU Athletics.

Perkins filed a police report saying the former employee attempted to blackmail him.

As KU AD, Perkins presided over the popularity of KU football and the basketball team winning a national championship.

In a statement, Perkins said, "I have loved my time here at the University of Kansas and I will continue leading Kansas Athletics over the course of the next year."

He said the future of the Big 12 and conference realignment remain his biggest priority.

But he said with his 65th birthday in 2010 that he decided now was the best time to retire.

"After more than 40 plus years in the athletics business, I look forward to retiring next year, spending time with my wife, our children and grandchildren, as well as finding a little more time on the golf course," Perkins said.

He promised a seamless transition.

Perkins became the athletic director at KU in June 2003. He had previously worked at the University of Connecticut.

Gee, great timing Lew.

[BRV]

Jun 10, 2010 14:09:50 GMT -5 andrew8798 said:

Summary of the punishments against the football program, which USC is appealing:

2 year post season ban.

Considering the team that USC has established at the moment, and considering the mega-conference that the Pac-10 is becoming, I'm pretty sure that the Trojans are fine with missing out on the Emerald Bowl or the Poinsettia Bowl.

vacating wins between 2004 and 2005.

Like this matters. I love how people think that revisionist history will look back at 2004 and 2005 and believe that by vacating their wins, it somehow tarnishes the team's dominance. You can't go back and change the records. We all watched USC win the National Championship, and it's far too late to do anything about that now.

[sunwukong]

Jun 10, 2010 16:29:58 GMT -5 BRV said:

Jun 10, 2010 14:09:50 GMT -5 andrew8798 said:

Summary of the punishments against the football program, which USC is appealing:

2 year post season ban.

Considering the team that USC has established at the moment, and considering the mega-conference that the Pac-10 is becoming, I'm pretty sure that the Trojans are fine with missing out on the Emerald Bowl or the Poinsettia Bowl.

vacating wins between 2004 and 2005.

Like this matters. I love how people think that revisionist history will look back at 2004 and 2005 and believe that by vacating their wins, it somehow tarnishes the team's dominance. You can't go back and change the records. We all watched USC win the National Championship, and it's far too late to do anything about that now.

Uh, yeah, it pretty clearly tarnishes the team's dominance. This sin't a slap on the wrist, this is the NCAA saying "f*** you, nothing you did during this period counts". It's a bit hard to ignore punishment this severe.

[andrew8798]

Jun 10, 2010 16:29:58 GMT -5 BRV said:

Jun 10, 2010 14:09:50 GMT -5 andrew8798 said:

Summary of the punishments against the football program, which USC is appealing:

2 year post season ban.

Considering the team that USC has established at the moment, and considering the mega-conference that the Pac-10 is becoming, I'm pretty sure that the Trojans are fine with missing out on the Emerald Bowl or the Poinsettia Bowl.

vacating wins between 2004 and 2005.

Like this matters. I love how people think that revisionist history will look back at 2004 and 2005 and believe that by vacating their wins, it somehow tarnishes the team's dominance. You can't go back and change the records. We all watched USC win the National Championship, and it's far too late to do anything about that now.

I agree with this In my mind USC won the National Championship nothing will change that

[MGH]

Jun 10, 2010 16:34:18 GMT -5 andrew8798 said:

Jun 10, 2010 16:29:58 GMT -5 BRV said:

Considering the team that USC has established at the moment, and considering the mega-conference that the Pac-10 is becoming, I'm pretty sure that the Trojans are fine with missing out on the Emerald Bowl or the Poinsettia Bowl.



Like this matters. I love how people think that revisionist history will look back at 2004 and 2005 and believe that by vacating their wins, it somehow tarnishes the team's dominance. You can't go back and change the records. We all watched USC win the National Championship, and it's far too late to do anything about that now.

I agree with this In my mind USC won the National Championship nothing will change that

Ditto. Just like Memphis was still in the national title game in 2008. You can take it off the books, but no one really stops and begins thinking of it differently, except maybe the NCAA themselves.

And as for the KU athletic director resigning, well, last person out the door shut off the lights. They know what's coming.

[Drillbit Taylor]

Jun 10, 2010 15:34:30 GMT -5 MGH said:

Kansas City television station says Texas and Texas A&M to Big Ten, Oklahoma to SEC (needs a partner) and Oklahoma State to Pac-10.

WTF?

Yea...

twitter.com/ChipBrownOB/status/15875443831

[MGH]

Jun 10, 2010 16:58:16 GMT -5 Drillbit Taylor said:

Jun 10, 2010 15:34:30 GMT -5 MGH said:

Kansas City television station says Texas and Texas A&M to Big Ten, Oklahoma to SEC (needs a partner) and Oklahoma State to Pac-10.

WTF?

Yea...

twitter.com/ChipBrownOB/status/15875443831

That sounded too bizarre to be true anyway.

[Brick Killed a Guy]

Ideally, I'd love to see Iowa State go to the Big Ten, but am getting ready to accept that fact that we will probably go to the MWC, C-USA, or MAC.

Then again, all the rumors going around have me confused. Did Vince Russo take over the NCAA?

[andrew8798]

USC could lose its 2004 BCS national title if it is found guilty of major NCAA violations in the Reggie Bush saga.

But what about the 2004 Associated Press national championship the Trojans also won that year?

The AP says USC would remain its 2004 champion.

According to the AP, USC would remain the organization’s national champion.

So that means Auburn fans, hoping against all hope for a belated recognition of an undefeated 2004 season, would be out of luck in both cases. The Tigers finished No. 2 in the AP poll that year after being denied a spot in the BCS national championship game. Instead, USC dismantled Oklahoma 55-19 to win the title.

The AP policy is certainly interesting, considering its recent re-vote on NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year Brian Cushing. After it was announced that Cushing was suspended for violating the league’s substance abuse policy in 2009, the AP asked the panelists to re-vote. Cushing held on to the award the second time.

blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college/2010/05/usc-can-still-claim-ap-national-championship-if-ncaa-sanctions-vacate-wins.html

[BRV]

Jun 10, 2010 17:11:45 GMT -5 andrew8798 said:

USC could lose its 2004 BCS national title if it is found guilty of major NCAA violations in the Reggie Bush saga.

But what about the 2004 Associated Press national championship the Trojans also won that year?

The AP says USC would remain its 2004 champion.

According to the AP, USC would remain the organization’s national champion.

So that means Auburn fans, hoping against all hope for a belated recognition of an undefeated 2004 season, would be out of luck in both cases. The Tigers finished No. 2 in the AP poll that year after being denied a spot in the BCS national championship game. Instead, USC dismantled Oklahoma 55-19 to win the title.

The AP policy is certainly interesting, considering its recent re-vote on NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year Brian Cushing. After it was announced that Cushing was suspended for violating the league’s substance abuse policy in 2009, the AP asked the panelists to re-vote. Cushing held on to the award the second time.

blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college/2010/05/usc-can-still-claim-ap-national-championship-if-ncaa-sanctions-vacate-wins.html

You know, maybe the NCAA should take a step back and realize that this isn't so much USC's fault as it is their own fault. This was all happening right under their noses and they didn't know any better. It'd be like a high school withdrawing a student's diploma five years after they found out that the student was cheating on tests in chemistry class.

Maybe the NCAA should do a better job of proactively stopping things like this from happening, rather than going back into the archives five years after the events occur and saying, "We're going to make sure this doesn't happen again! Look at how serious we are!"

It's a bit too late to really affect USC's legacy that much. If in five years, we find out that Urban Meyer was paying his players and Tim Tebow was living in a palatial mansion paid for by the University of Florida, it won't make a damn bit of difference as to how the team performed on the field, whether you strip them of championships or not.

[Red Impact]

I'm wondering why people still care about the AP championship anyways. The AP shouldn't have ever been a part of the college football championship polls, it's not the media's job to create the news they cover.

[ICBM]

Jun 10, 2010 16:17:18 GMT -5 @sunwukong said:

Jun 10, 2010 9:34:07 GMT -5 ICBM said:

For those who doubt the drawing power of Notre Dame consider these few items:

Would a major network (NBC) keep them on for tradition only? NBC has canceled many legendary TV shows and specials after ratings or interest wained. Interest and ratings for ND football have done niether...ever

Wow, is THAT some revisionist history. Notre Dame's ratings were doing less than HALF of what CBS and ABC's college games were doing for the last couple of years. Dick Ebersol's decision to reup the deal was widely panned in industry circles.

ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2009/06/15/as-notre-dames-tv-money-dwindles-so-too-should-its-independenc/

Hey dude cherry picking one part of my post does not negate the fact that what I said was true, Notre Dame is a draw and the Big may have them over a barrel but they deserve defference and the money recouped somehow and I am pretty sure if they go to the Big 10 they will be accomodated somehow. Sorry all the Notre Dame haters may not like it but it is the truth. So long as that university fields a football team they will get thier way no matter how bad last seasons record was

[nate5054]

Jun 10, 2010 15:34:30 GMT -5 MGH said:

Kansas City television station says Texas and Texas A&M to Big Ten, Oklahoma to SEC (needs a partner) and Oklahoma State to Pac-10.

WTF?

This thread (which I haven't read since last night) is the most fun thread in the world to read.

Every second it seems like every school is going to a different conference.

[nate5054]

Jun 10, 2010 16:14:05 GMT -5 Koda, Master Crunchyroller said:

Oh, I know they would still play, but potentially no longer when they use to play, which was, as I said, around the Texas State Fair in the fall.

Who cares about that. All this moving around shows that nobody gives a damn about tradition anymore. Except when the college Presidents want to tell the public why a playoff is a bad idea. Then tradition is all of a sudden, like, important.

[MGH]

And the fun continues. After the TV Station in KC was debunked, now KENS5 in San Antonio says the SEC has, as of 7:30 EST, sent formal invitations to Texas & Texas A&M to join the SEC.

[Koda, Master Crunchyroller]

So now we got rumors of them being offered spots in the SEC.....I still don't believe it.

[Drillbit Taylor]

And OU has declared it loyalty to Texas.

www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/colleges/topstories/stories/061110dnospotulsaworld.8d96730f.html


No conference will take all 3 Texas and 2 Okie schools besides PAC.

[Jay Carroll]

Jun 10, 2010 19:26:11 GMT -5 nate5054 said:

This thread (which I haven't read since last night) is the most fun thread in the world to read.

Every second it seems like every school is going to a different conference.

This is something we can agree on.

Except, I still want to know where Missouri winds up

Also, if Mizzou ends up in one of these reshaped superconferences, and Kansas doesn't, I'll have two reactions. The Mizzou booster in me will die laughing. The college rivalry traditionalist in me will be saddened, Kansas deserves better treatment than they are currently getting.

[Seth Drakin of Monster Crap]

If the SEC gets the Texas and Oklahoma colleges, it should be changed from the Southeastern Conference to the Southern Conference.