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Post by bigsplash on Jun 2, 2010 9:47:50 GMT -5
I always found X to be overrated just a bit.
It was good, don't get me wrong, but it wasn't as consistent as some other WMs.
WM 17 comes to mind as being great from just about top to bottom.
Outsides of the two legendary matches there was a lot of junk on the PPV. I would only consider Bret/Yoko (for the great moment) and Savage/Crush has being decent and entertaining enough.
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Post by poontangler on Jun 2, 2010 21:14:21 GMT -5
No, it doesn't stand up, but I don't think it WAS great psychology and storytelling. I think it was 2 guys who were popular in a match not many people had seen at that time with the result people wanted to see. I'm not calling it a bad match, I'm just saying it wasn't the "classic" most people say it was. Well, you're entitled to your opinion - however wrong it may be. \ Much appreciated, Brandon To Kris Kobain: Not bashing, I swear...but why WM9? I really need to know.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jun 3, 2010 2:11:37 GMT -5
A huge Nay. 2 good matches but the rest was crap. I'm a huge Bret mark but this is one of the worst Manias ever. Not as bad as 9 but they aren't many that are worse. Even the celebrities were embarassing.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jun 3, 2010 3:22:08 GMT -5
2 great, 2 good, the rest crap, at the time it was the best one, or at least up theere with 3 and 8, and it gets a nostalgia pass.
Back then Wrestlemania's weren't that great, think of all the 'get everyone on the card' matches, the squash matches etc. For the time it was breathtaking.
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Post by Paco on Jun 3, 2010 3:27:38 GMT -5
Huge Yay. It has Bret/Owen AND Razor/HBK!?! That's all a damn Mania card needs!
A show with these two matches (not just good matches...but classics) is impossibly one of the "worst" Manias.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 3, 2010 5:10:01 GMT -5
Awful WrestleMania. Outside of Bret/Owen and Razor/HBK this would be a terrible episode of Raw. I can't believe it gets the praise it does. You'd equate WM10 to "a terrible episode of Raw" just because it ONLY had two classic matches? Name one WM filled with nothing but classic matches, or even a WM with more than 2 classic matches. It's easy to tear something down when you don't leave yourself vulnerable by citing preferred alternatives. Mania 17 had Angle vs. Benoit Shane vs. Vince TLC Austin vs. Rock Taker vs. Triple H All huge marquee matches.
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Post by jamielowndes {N} on Jun 3, 2010 5:49:52 GMT -5
Shawn/Razor was out of this world.
Bret/Yokozuna had a ridiculous finish, which I still hate to this day. But Ive always marked for the Hitman, so he gets a pass just because I remember cheering my ass off, age 4 when he won it.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jun 3, 2010 5:53:40 GMT -5
You'd equate WM10 to "a terrible episode of Raw" just because it ONLY had two classic matches? Name one WM filled with nothing but classic matches, or even a WM with more than 2 classic matches. It's easy to tear something down when you don't leave yourself vulnerable by citing preferred alternatives. Mania 17 had Angle vs. Benoit Shane vs. Vince TLC Austin vs. Rock Taker vs. Triple H All huge marquee matches. I think what ED2099 was getting at was not that there are no Wrestlemanias without more than two good matches. There certainly are. However, Wrestlemanias with two matches as good as Razor/HBK or Bret/Owen are that even are great in general are extremely rare. Two more that fall into this category aside from the aforementioned WM 17 are WM 8 (with Piper/Hart and Savage/Flair) and WM 19 (Austin/Rock, Brock/Angle).
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jun 3, 2010 10:12:57 GMT -5
I liked it then and still do. It's pretty much as good as it could be given the roster. The double-suplex on Mabel during the tag-title match is an underrated moment IMO.
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Post by quantum on Jun 3, 2010 12:31:05 GMT -5
Back then Wrestlemania's weren't that great, think of all the 'get everyone on the card' matches, the squash matches etc. For the time it was breathtaking. Yeah not at all like more 'modern' Mania's with Money In The Bank and most the matches comming from very rushed fueds.
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Post by Roo on Jun 3, 2010 12:48:58 GMT -5
Two all-time classics and plenty of important storyline and title developments. All things considered, this was a brilliant WWF PPV for the time - surley the best until that point.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Jun 3, 2010 18:15:51 GMT -5
I think this was great Mania, especially considering the mass exodus of talent experienced by the wwf after Hogan's departure. It was set up well, with Luger & Hart eliminating each other at the same time in the Rumble. I was so glad to watch Owen get a clean win over Bret. Macho Man vs Crush was awesome. the ladder match was great. Sure there was some junk on the card, but every Mania has some crap. I think WMX was a better event than 11 or 12, both of which I found to be very boring.
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Post by h on Jun 3, 2010 19:50:05 GMT -5
I really enjoy it from top to bottom.
Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart - Obviously, a great wrestling exhibition. It would be very difficult to find a better opening match on any pay-per-view.
Doink/Dink vs. Bam Bam Bigelow/Luna Vachon - I think it's really important to remember that this was the blow off match for a feud that lasted half a year. The feud had been featured on the previous two pay-per-views, in which Bam Bam Bigelow was left unfulfilled by an inability to truly settle things with Doink. At Survivor Series 1993, he was expecting to get his hands on Doink but was sent the Bushwhackers and Men on a Mission instead. At Royal Rumble 1994, he eliminated Doink, but things were left unresolved. The stipulations (mixed tag match) made perfect sense, since Dink (who I have always loathed) and Luna Vachon were big players in the feud. I thought this match worked out perfectly.
Randy Savage vs. Crush - This match got a lot of buildup, and I didn't feel like it delivered. In the interviews leading up to the match, people were talking about pinfalls taking place all over the arena, on cars outside, in the theater next door where people were watching the event on a giant television screen. As it turned out, most of the match took place in the ring area. I enjoyed the match, but I would have liked it to have lasted longer and made better use of the full arena.
Alundra Blayze vs. Leilani Kai - I agree wholeheartedly with a previous poster--no harm, no foul. I didn't care, but it was short. To be honest, the match wasn't too bad.
Men on a Mission vs. The Quebecers - I've never been able to put my finger on why, but I really enjoyed the match and have actually pulled out my copy of the event just for this match on several occasions. Mo was a non-factor in the match, which is a big plus. The Quebecers showed how well they worked together and deserved their long runs with the tag team belts.
Yokozuna vs. Lex Luger - I'll never understand why they chose that ending, but it was a decent match, and the crowd really seemed excited about Luger's inevitable victory. The ending got a huge reaction from the crowd and made me really excited for the (unfortunately cancelled) showdown between Luger and Perfect on the WrestleMania Revenge Tour. If that tour had actually happened, and if Luger and Perfect had ultimately faced each other on a pay-per-view, I think this match would be considered much better.
Earthquake vs. Adam Bomb - Disappointingly short. Adam Bomb's career was devastated by the squash, and the potentially interesting match was ruined.
Razor Ramon vs. Shawn Michaels - I'm not big on gimmick matches as a whole, but this was amazing (and at least 10x better than their second ladder match).
Bret Hart vs. Yokozuna - A very solid match, and a great ending to the event. It ended on a high note, made Bret look like a respectable champion, and built the Hart family feud well.
All things considered, it was a truly great pay-per-view.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jun 3, 2010 23:16:03 GMT -5
Serious question to everyone that loves this PPV: How old were you? I'm guessing average age is going to be 8-12.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jun 4, 2010 2:53:07 GMT -5
Back then Wrestlemania's weren't that great, think of all the 'get everyone on the card' matches, the squash matches etc. For the time it was breathtaking. Yeah not at all like more 'modern' Mania's with Money In The Bank and most the matches comming from very rushed fueds. Ok, they still have that now, but at least they are feuds and MITB is for a title shot. Back then it was Rick Martel V Koko B. Ware, or The Big Boss Man, Virgil, Sgt. Slaughter and Hacksaw Jim Duggan v The Nasty Boys, Repo Man and The Mountie. And at least MITB is always a good match.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 4, 2010 3:32:02 GMT -5
Serious question to everyone that loves this PPV: How old were you? I'm guessing average age is going to be 8-12. I was, uh 11......Maybe 12. I can't recall and don't feel like bothering to do the simple math on it. But, I don't like it. I love Mania 9, however. I think this WrestleMania gets a lot of traction just for being the tenth one.
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Post by poontangler on Jun 4, 2010 12:52:07 GMT -5
Serious question to everyone that loves this PPV: How old were you? I'm guessing average age is going to be 8-12. I was, uh 11......Maybe 12. I can't recall and don't feel like bothering to do the simple math on it. But, I don't like it. I love Mania 9, however. I think this WrestleMania gets a lot of traction just for being the tenth one. Why 9??? Kobain didn't respond, maybe you will.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 4, 2010 13:11:45 GMT -5
I was, uh 11......Maybe 12. I can't recall and don't feel like bothering to do the simple math on it. But, I don't like it. I love Mania 9, however. I think this WrestleMania gets a lot of traction just for being the tenth one. Why 9??? Kobain didn't respond, maybe you will. I don't know, it's a fun Mania. HBK vs. Tatanka was a solid match, even if it had a horrible ending. The Steiners vs. Headshrinkers is probably the most underrated match at any Mania. Doink vs. Crush was fine for what it is. Brain did his best to put over the two Doinks being an illusion, rather than just admitting it was two people, so it worked fine. Razor vs. Backlund was a throw away, but nothing serious. Mania had tons of these previously. Money Inc. vs. The Mega-Maniacs was fine. The ending was funny to my 10 year old self. Luger vs. Perfect could have been better, but nothing too bad. Taker vs. Giant Gonzalez was hard on the eyes. Yoko vs. Bret was probably as could as it could have been, even if the finish was a little lame and abrupt. Hogan vs. Yoko no matter what anyone tries to claim, the fans there loved it and I loved it at the time. It changed the course of the company for a year, but no one knew that would happen at the time. Of it's time period WrestleCrappiness, only Giant Gonzalez really belongs on there.
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Post by poontangler on Jun 4, 2010 13:31:31 GMT -5
Why 9??? Kobain didn't respond, maybe you will. I don't know, it's a fun Mania. HBK vs. Tatanka was a solid match, even if it had a horrible ending. The Steiners vs. Headshrinkers is probably the most underrated match at any Mania. Doink vs. Crush was fine for what it is. Brain did his best to put over the two Doinks being an illusion, rather than just admitting it was two people, so it worked fine. Razor vs. Backlund was a throw away, but nothing serious. Mania had tons of these previously. Money Inc. vs. The Mega-Maniacs was fine. The ending was funny to my 10 year old self. Luger vs. Perfect could have been better, but nothing too bad. Taker vs. Giant Gonzalez was hard on the eyes. Yoko vs. Bret was probably as could as it could have been, even if the finish was a little lame and abrupt. Hogan vs. Yoko no matter what anyone tries to claim, the fans there loved it and I loved it at the time. It changed the course of the company for a year, but no one knew that would happen at the time. Of it's time period WrestleCrappiness, only Giant Gonzalez really belongs on there. Cool enough...and I agree, the Steiners/Headshinkers match was very good. I had hoped the Luger/Perfect match had been better. Overall, not one of my faves, but I appreciate you explaining your reasoning.
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Post by Psycho Penguin on Jun 4, 2010 15:12:51 GMT -5
I like 9 better also, but I find it better than 1-7 and 11-16. It's in the top half of WMs, but not terribly high. Maybe 8th or 9th.
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